IMO Manchester United need creativity deep in the midfield. Everyone would say Bruno is more creative than Casemiro but at central midfield, Casemiro makes better passes and initiates attacks than Bruno. It's different skillset which I think Mount lacks. Any one can make a number of successful forward passes that are safe without causing opponents any trouble.
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So he should go for players he knows nothing about you reckon?
Mount is plenty good at dropping deep and initiating attacks - I'd argue that he's far better at this than Bruno personally.
Mount played in front of Jorginho and Kante when he was at his best - those two have never pulled up trees creatively; the hub of the best Tuchel Chelsea was always Mount dropping deep and creating.
How long do we have to follow this approach when it has been clear that it doesn't work? It was the same with Moyes signing Fellaini, Mourinho demanding Willian, Perisic, Matic etc. Ole with his British signings who "knew" the league. Sure sign a proven winner like Casemiro or try for talent beyond a doubt like de Jong but this?
I can't say I'm turning cartwheels. When he has his less effective games he's like a ghost, he's coming off an absolute wasted season and I find him to be an unlikeable Scrappy Doo-style twerp in the mould of Wilshire.
That said he's been a fine player before, he's still young and ultimately I trust ten Hag to know the types of players he needs for this squad. If he's the big marquee signing of the summer I'd be disappointed, and as always when you're buying from a rival you judge whether that club are bothered about losing the player and whether we should be after the next signing they'll make instead, but it makes a nice change to see us get business done early. If Mount can hit the ground running and use what I hope will be an already-established understanding with the England players we have I'm more than happy to give him a chance.
That said he's been a fine player before, he's still young and ultimately I trust ten Hag to know the types of players he needs for this squad. If he's the big marquee signing of the summer I'd be disappointed, and as always when you're buying from a rival you judge whether that club are bothered about losing the player and whether we should be after the next signing they'll make instead, but it makes a nice change to see us get business done early. If Mount can hit the ground running and use what I hope will be an already-established understanding with the England players we have I'm more than happy to give him a chance.
No. Sign talented players that we need is what I'm saying. Why does it have to be the most obvious, expensive ones? Then once the season starts we end up wondering where the feck did this player come from, he'd have been perfect for us.
If he's in the last year of his contract and pretty much a squad player at Chelsea then we shouldn't be looking to pay more than 20-30million at a push.
Clicks on The Guardian who claim Chelsea want 60 million for him, ha ha!
If we pay that then we deserve everything we get.
Clicks on The Guardian who claim Chelsea want 60 million for him, ha ha!
If we pay that then we deserve everything we get.
It's 2023 man 20-30million is just not gonna happen
Lets not forget that Mount is also best friends with Declan Rice since when they both came through Chelsea. Agent Mount.
He is talented. Who are those mythical talented players you're thinking of?
If that’s the case there no reason for us to rush and make a move for this signing before the transfer window is even opened.
I think ETH has got a plan in his mind, and Mount (type of player) could be crucial to his plan.
If I remember correctly Tuchel's Chelsea were a bit goal shy and relied a lot of defensive resilience and wingbacks shouldering the creative responsibility.
Im convinced glazers want to feck United up one last time before selling
55m is already overpriced for a backup player who has 1 year left on his contract.
Id rather keep Fred
55m is already overpriced for a backup player who has 1 year left on his contract.
Id rather keep Fred
Casemiro and Varane were in their last year of their contracts and we paid whatever Real Madrid wanted. We're the mugs everyone goes to when they need to offload someone for a ridiculous price.
The same rebuttal again. "Why don't you name players?" It's not my fecking job to watch all leagues and suggest players. Our clubs employs people to do that. How the feck did Newcastle come up with Bruno Guimaraes?
Who are the 3 ahead, is it Bruno, KdB and TAA?
Haha, well I know its not your job but I thought some players caught your eye. If we would be in for some talented, unknown player how would you know he's talented and worth a hassle?
You know Mount is expensive and obvious but you dont know who should we go for instead. Sounds legit.
I've already said Bruno lacks the skills to play deep, being marginally better than Mount is not what we should be looking for.
Don't really think this is accurate, outside of a terrible season of finishing in 20/21 where we accumulated 68.6 xG and only scored 58. In contrast, Man United had 63.2 xG and scored 73.
In 21/22, we scored 76 in the league despite a completely tumultuous situation off the pitch.
It's actually TAA, Bruno, Salah, then Mount. He just pips KdB, but I also think KdB missed a significant chunk of time with injury in 20/21?
So it's definitely somewhat selective, but still pretty noteworthy I'd say.
What does this mean? Also why do you insist on ignoring the evidence that Mount is, in fact, quite good and creative?
And I did not say he was demanding him. I'm saying that if Mount signs then it will be because the manager has made the decision that he can use this player
I don't know what he does. Every time I've watched him I forget he's there.
He might come in to replace Fred (erratic and likely leaving) and Eriksen (hasn't got the legs). He combines some of the best attributes of both, though is not as good at those attributes as either of them. If he's happy to rotate with them and play understudy to Bruno then sign him up for an appropriate fee. Whatever happens it will strengthen the squad when our biggest issue has been the drop off in quality with the bench players.
He might come in to replace Fred (erratic and likely leaving) and Eriksen (hasn't got the legs). He combines some of the best attributes of both, though is not as good at those attributes as either of them. If he's happy to rotate with them and play understudy to Bruno then sign him up for an appropriate fee. Whatever happens it will strengthen the squad when our biggest issue has been the drop off in quality with the bench players.
Mount is a bit underrated. There's a reason every manager he's had has preferred him over lots of other alternatives, including Southgate. Now while I don't trust Southgate as a manager - far too cautious and crap with subs - his backroom staff and analysts seem to have got it right with a number of players that otherwise you might not have expected, like Saka etc. Mount was preferred over Grealish and the like, and I'm sure he will be a good player for us if he comes.
I bet you barely watched him play! He won 2 times player of the year at Chelsea (and in their CL winning season). Lots of managers want him (ETH, arteta, klopp and poch) yet for some reason, by your own knowledge you think he will be a bad signing!! Most of ETH are all success, whilst other need more time so he has the right to go for the players he want. The underrated of Mount is incredible here.
No one would question ETH's judgement if he was called Eric Ten Haggis.
Mount me.
Would prefer not more than 40m for sure.
But harsh on him being labelled as “backup player”. He is only 24 and has more England caps than the likes of Grealish, Foden, Phillips, Maddison or Sancho etc. He was also 2 times Chelsea player of the season, including the time when they won CL.
I mean if your evaluation is that Moyes signing Fellaini and Mourinho Matic is the same as EtH bringing in Antony and Martinez simply because in all three cases the manager had previously worked with the player, I don't know quite what to tell you.
I'd say he's proven that he doesn't bring in these players simply as a desperate short term solution to save his own behind, no matter the consquences for the club down the line, like Mourinho.
If he somehow loses his mind and actually signs Weghorst I'll retract all this though
If you're against this signing, take comfort in Chelsea most likely pricing him out of a move.Oh ffs
If Mount were the exact same player and had the exact same career but was coming from Bayern or Madrid, fans here would be creaming themselves over him.
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Chelsea will price them all out of a move initially, then realise they absolutely have to sell and probably start being more realistic when the more clubs approach them for more players.
You can't have a squad that big and expect premium fees for everyone.
You can't have a squad that big and expect premium fees for everyone.
Better players on paper have come here and “stunk the place up”. We’d do well to reserve our judgement until he’s played for us.
He’s won a lot already both personally and with Chelsea. That’s got to count for something.
He’s won a lot already both personally and with Chelsea. That’s got to count for something.
As our big go-to signing in midfield, this does feel a little bit underwhelming. That said, there's a lot of tosh on this thread about his level - I don't think there's any question he's a starting XI level player at United. Just not as clearly or as potentially transformative as some other names you could think of, especially at 60m +. But he's a pretty complete player, and could well turn out to be a successful signing.
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