my guess is he wants to leave that shit show as soon as possible
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my guess is he wants to leave that shit show as soon as possible
Ten Hag's teams have all been different. The way he used Tagliafico was different to how he used Blind just as how he Berghuis and VDB play nothing alike.
Structurally as a team and player characteristics he has shown he has no preferred system. The only thing that sticks out is he likes inverted RWs and CBs that are good in possession.
Shaw is absolutely a player that can play as an inverted fullback but for the majority of the year he's played him as an orthodox LB. With Malacia its a bit different and he makes him tuck inside more.
EtH isn't a manager with a set way of play like Guardiola, so it absolutely is guess work in knowing his intentions for the team.
You answered your own question why he didn't do it this season because he at least doesn't have the keeper and RB to play that way. ETH has mentioned he can't guarantee de Gea to be his no 1 (indicates that he wants a new keeper to play his Ajax 21/22). AWB has also been reported that United are open to sell him (indicates that may be ETH open the possibility to sign new RB could be Pavard or Timber who can play this inverted RB role).
Regardless to what kind of sets up ten Hag uses, to play to his system, we still need to upgrade our back five. So signing Mount or not, playing 433 or 4231 or even if we want to play 442, ten Hag still has the same criteria that he demands his defenders and keeper that can play from the back.
Have only really watched him in the world cup where he didn't do much on the field and then lost his place in the team. I assume ETH sees more in him than what he showed there.
Wow, he's getting abuse from chelsea fans? I thought he was their POTY?
Fed up of the heat from the frying pan, looking to transfer to the fire.
The fans at the stadium have always liked him. Just seems online there are two groups, ones who love him and ones who hate him. No inbetween. I'd say pretty confidently that he gets the most abuse online by quite a distance. Must become tiring after a while can't really blame him for leaving Twitter.
Yea good luck if that's one of the reasons
, we have one of the most toxic fanbases on social media.Rashford was getting slated earlier for celebrating his Matt Busby award with a video post.
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EtH is also developing United and is cutting out the good but not good enough.
United is far from the finished article and while principles have been created, the quality of the team should only improve. The strengths of United aren't nearly as known as the weaknesses, which have to be addressed within the next 2 season before we can say yeah, these are the strengths of the team and let's mound the style and team around this. EtH got a lot of results out of this miss matched squad this year.
United can't just play through the middle, as many teams defend from inside to out. If the play is pushed out wide to Shaw or either wing, that's where the overloads come into play, quick switches, and ball movement has to be sharp and movement to create space is essential.
So you'll need players who are comfortable being in different parts of the final 3rd, then once possession is lost or loose, the counterpress is important. The defensive shape allows for the CBs to be higher, compressing the pitch and be aggressive. If the opponent wants to try to pass their way out, every advanced midfielder (Mount, Eriksen, Bruno) and forward has to do their best and apply pressure on the ball, slow down the opponent offensive transition, and try to win the ball back or at least defend as a team.
There are many times where Eriksen is a traffic cone and we go, why are we exposed...because there are compromises in the team while trying to put in place said principles.
Couldn't have been more underwhelmed when I first heard the links but It seems ETH really want's him and after I really enjoyed watching his Ajax team with the superstars in play and then again after they were sold, that makes me really want to so see the UTD team he want's to build play. If that has Mason Mount in it then I'm all for it, same goes for Anthony.
Also I have seen him called a Chelsea reject several times in this thread, he's not a reject when they want to keep him.
Also I have seen him called a Chelsea reject several times in this thread, he's not a reject when they want to keep him.
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People do not realise just how good a transfer this will turn out to be.
- Great in tight spaces
- great on the turn when played to feet
- Presses well and is annoying to play against
- decent passer in the transition and final third
This is brilliant squad building. He may not start every game but he will play a LOT. Huge upgrade on the likes of McFred.
- Great in tight spaces
- great on the turn when played to feet
- Presses well and is annoying to play against
- decent passer in the transition and final third
This is brilliant squad building. He may not start every game but he will play a LOT. Huge upgrade on the likes of McFred.
Would prefer Alexis McAllister but I trust Ten Hag.
Yea good luck if that's one of the reasons
Rashford was getting slated earlier for celebrating his Matt Busby award with a video post.
The fans who already dislike him will continue to dislike him no matter what he does. Atleast if he moves to Utd he'll have a fresh start, and in my opinion a very good chance at surprising a lot of you who are sceptical about the signing.
Agree with all of this especially bolded part. Mount is at his best playing on the transition and that's what Utd have always been good at. At Chelsea we have more of a possession, slow build up style and Mount became stale as a result.
Still think anything above £50m isn't great value however.
It isn't guess work if the argument shows an evidence that ten Hag is not just a manager that can only play with deep-lying playmaker midfielder. When he lost Frenkie de Jong, he didn't replace Frenkie de Jong with another deep-playmaker, but he changed his set up. For instance, when he had deep-playmaker, he used his full back for example Tagliafico on the width. When he lost his deep-playmaker, he used his full back to be more inverted like Blind.
The point what Adnan was trying to make is when ten Hag doesn't have the deep-lying playmaker or lost Frenkie de Jong, ten Hag found a way to set up his team.
His Ajax 21/22 shows that he literary can play Casemiro in Alvarez's role, while both Mount and Bruno plays in Berghuis and Gravenberch role.
Great news. Let’s see how much we end up playing for him. He is definitely huge upgrade from all our backup options - Fred, Mctominay, VDB. And I think he is more reliable/consistent option than Eriksen too but let’s see.
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He has starred in recent 2 major tournaments for England (Euro 20, WC 22), plus he was Chelsea player of the seasons from 20/21 to 21/22, and he is only 24. I am sure he is going to start a lot of games, perhaps over Eriksen, and could also do rotation with Bruno.
Get in. Happy with this. He's the perfect age, has performed at a really high level in the prem and the CL, and is an excellent player for a counter pressing side which is what I think ten hag is building towards.
At Ajax he developed two teams , the first where he progressed play via the deeper midfielders (de Jong/Schone) and then when he had to invert the fullbacks after de Jong and Schone departed. And when he went the inverted fullback route, that meant it was over for Taglifiago as a regular starter due to him not being as good in midfield or at CB when it comes to progressing the ball. He made the team adapt to his methods where even after losing his first choice midfield, he maintained both offensive and defensive control in a 433 shape which turned into a 325 in possession due to Blind and Mazraoui being very capable on the ball as fullbacks.
Structurally he's shown that he wants to play through thirds via the positional play principles hence he brought in a older keeper (Pasveer) at Ajax due to him being good on the ball. Pasveer was around 37 when he brought him to the club after Onana was banned for testing positive for a banned substance. He could've trusted Stekelenburg but he didn't.
At United he's had to compromise on his principles of play but he's likely going to make progress towards rectifying that next season. And a 433 shape will by default turn into a 325 in possession due to the two midfielders either side of the pivot pushing forward. Arsenal, City and
Brighton do the same thing. And it won't just be Bruno and Mount as the options imo because I do believe we'll sign another midfielder who is more comfortable playing in a deeper midfield role.
I've never been a big fan, spend years on here complaining about him in fact, but jesus christ he won't be half as bad as the meltdowns in this thread suggest
Should we not sign a player because of fears of what that team will do with the money? seems a silly thing to complain about.
Should we not sign a player because of fears of what that team will do with the money?
seems a silly thing to complain about.Judging by this thread he isn't going to fair much better here with our lot
If he gets back to something close to his 20-22 levels he'll be a great acquisition.
Well that sucks. If he does come, I hope he has a better time with our fans.
I would have thought that we needed to focus on great passers but he was very highly rated a year ago and used to be first choice for both Chelsea and England winning the PotY at the former twice I think. What impressed me about him was his off the ball effectiveness, intelligence and ability to drive the ball from deep spaces. I think his press resistance might be particularly why ETH rates him. If we sign him let’s hope he becomes a smashing success.
Yes I have reservations about this move,however unlike some won't just write him off before he has kicked a ball for us. Like someone said earlier Erik got the best out of De Ligt, De Jong at Ajax so just maybe he can do that with this guy.
I will use him as striker.
I, for one, am excited by this potential signing. Think he is exactly what we need.
Very underrated player. Most people did not realise that Mount's goal output this year was reduced drastically as a result of trying to shoehorn Sterling into the LW spot. Sterling has a tendency to start wide but drift inwards, clashing with Mount natural tendencies of bombing into the box from his LCM position. Another cascading effect of Sterling was that Mount was increasingly tasked with the doing more defensive work, covering his more attacking teammates, focusing more on the linkup plays etc. It shows his character, that he's a player willing to do the dirty jobs and whatever it takes for the team, and we do need more of these kind of players. If we do get him, he would be a real Gem of a player.
He may not be an exciting signing because he doesn’t do things which caught the eye of an average fan.
But from my understanding he does alot of functional work which is important for the team, and he has always been high percentage payer in alot of things needed in midfield, and tactically he excelled at what the managers want him to do.
But from my understanding he does alot of functional work which is important for the team, and he has always been high percentage payer in alot of things needed in midfield, and tactically he excelled at what the managers want him to do.
Yeah from what I’ve seen he’s good at
- link up play
- decision making
- pressing and defensive output
- ability to beat the press and keep the more going
whereas what he’s not is a playmaker, expansive passer, or a great athlete (in terms of pace and strength not engine)
I would have thought we needed top passers but can’t deny that an all round midfielder who can beat the press would be helpful
Underwhelming to be honest. When I've watched him he's just there and doesn't do much, his stats also suggests this. Hope he proves me wrong.
I guess the price is the main reason we go for him. We dont have a gmhuge budget so adding to the squad on the cheap is what ETH needs to do
We mght buy 2 midfielders as we get rid of 1-2
Since he broke into the Chelsea team I 2017 he's had 6 different managers. That has got to be crazy to try and develop when there's that many people and different ideas going on.
I think one of his biggest strengths is work rate and stamina. It all starts with hard work. The rest will follow.
If we pay anything over £50m we've not learnt from previous lessons and those in charge of transfers should be held accountable.
I am certain we won't sign that kind of player this summer. We are building up the pressing and mobility side of midfield first which may or may not be a good strategy. Erik has done enough this season to earn our trust on this
Yeah another who won't even give it a chance
If ETH wants him, I'm all for it. Seems like we'd be trumping a lot of rivals to bring him here too.
At the right price he's a good addition that adds depth and something different to the midfield.
As long as this doesn't stop us from spending big on a striker then I'm all for this.
At the right price he's a good addition that adds depth and something different to the midfield.
As long as this doesn't stop us from spending big on a striker then I'm all for this.
Suspect they join Arsenal and Chelsea
Wow. McAllister, Caicedo, Bellingham all moving in the summer and we go for this guy. Hope the fee is around 20 mils
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