Anything over £20 million they can keep him
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Runs around a lot, high amount of final third presses albeit with a low success rate but he's another slow, weak player to add to our collection.
Standard Mason Mount performance:
Yep, he has a lot of games where he basically does nothing which is also a frequent occurrence with England. He's a slightly better version of Jesse Lingard.
He'll stay at Chelsea I reckon.
This was posted last year in April. I reckon, if this is still 2022, people wouldn’t have any issue about us signing Mount.
I found this on google and made by arsenal fan. Gundogan has 88% passing accuracy while Mount 21/22 had 85% passing accuracy with more progressive passes.
Oh my God. Comparing Mount, who can't even get into the worst Chelsea side in 25 years, with arguably the greatest midfielder of the past 25 years just because he runs around like crazy is a joke of the highest order.
When I asked you, it wasn’t meant that I asked your own preference, I was referring which ones you think fits ETH’s profile. What makes you think based on the metrics you showed me there are players we’re looking for?
You only said it’s there but you can’t tell me why some of those players in that metric fits ETH’s profile. I could also using your method of discussion or criticisms by telling you that based on the metrics that you showed me, none of those players fit the profile but just like you I don’t want to tell you why.
Do you see now why this is going circle? A statement or stats without context is meaningless. So I don’t know why are you persistent to criticise my points by giving me a statement and stats without giving me a context.
Don't want, he is average as feck.
Meanwhile nothing but top clubs are seemingly after Mount?
I found this on google and made by arsenal fan. Gundogan has 88% passing accuracy while Mount 21/22 had 85% passing accuracy with more progressive passes.
I think Mount is a pretty good player when put into the right role. But this is a good example of stats being misleading without context.
Mount 21-22 was played as an attacking/midfielder in a 3-4-2-1, his job was to be one of the top corners in a midfield box, first wave of the press, stay relatively high when building up, only minimal responsibilities in settled defensive shape. In total over the course of the season he had 1564 touches, of which 928 (59%) came in the attacking third.
Gundogan 22-23 can sometimes move into the top left of midfield box in settled possession, but is a crucial player in buildup, dropping deep next to Rodri (and occasionally actually deputizing for Rodri), and then in settled defense is a critical cog playing next to Rodri once Stones (or whoever else is playing that role) backs out of midfield and into the four man back line. Almost the exact same amount of minutes as Mount, but 1806 touches, of which only 596 (33%) came in the attacking third.
Basically, Mount isn't producing any more offensive output than Gundogan despite having far fewer responsibilities in buildup, settled defense, or stopping transitions and despite having a much higher number of touches and much higher percentage of touches in the attacking third. Final third contribution is like a side gig for Gundogan, yet he's doing it just as well as Mount while still shouldering all the main midfield responsibilities. Of course Gundogan is part of a very well oiled City machine. But Mount's Chelsea was a pretty good team as well.
He played near the goal that season. He will not be doing this with us, therefor he is not going to show stats for his overall play that is painfully average. Stats is not everything.
The purpose I put the stats wasn’t because I want to compare gundogan with Mount. But it’s to show what is Mount‘s strength and what he can offer to the team. If I give his own stats alone, we will not be able to make estimate of measurement of the stats. I just have to find the one that has comparison with other player.
Is he injured? Why isn’t he in their squad?
Stats is not everything. The only reason why I posted the goals and assists isn’t to show everything about Mason Mount but it’s to show Mason Mount has the talent to offer good amount of end product. That’s something what he can offer and I’ll be very surprised if we don’t play in his strength but playing him deep.
I guess they do not want to play a guy that does not want to sign a new contract, and its one foot out the door, if we trust the rumors. I'd take him as a squad player for no more than 25m, he can be a good option to have
Yeah he’s been injured for a month.
Looks like a JLingz specialFrom Chelsea fans:
Runs around a lot, high amount of final third presses albeit with a low success rate but he's another slow, weak player to add to our collection.
Standard Mason Mount performance:
I seriously wouldn't swap McT for this guy. Says it all.
Mount is Chelsea's main set piece taker yet he only managed 1 season where he had more than 10 assists in all comps.
2019-20 6 assists in 53 games
2020-21 9 assists in 54 games
2022-21 16 assists in 53 games most of them coming from set pieces
2022-23 6 assists in 35 games
His set pieces lack whip and power, just floated balls. I don't think he'll end up taking them for us if we sign him.
He is a good player. Thik lack of action and international form counting against him. But I dont think he is the right player for us. Think the probable fee is about right. Similar to Maddison and Mount has been just as good as Maddison over the last 2/3years if you forget recently.
Saying that I think Maddisons ability on the ball gives us something we dont have in the middle (though I think we have a few players could play there), Mount is more a clever runner, has a good shot but not aything super great....I get get the Lingard comparisons, though he is a better player.
Personally if we are talking £50m I wouldnt take either player, but they are both good. A number 8 is the priority where as those two really are number 10s....would rather a back up for Casemeiro if we were to sign two midfielders but either player could be excellent signings for a few sides in the top half of the table, I just dont think we are one of them
Saying that I think Maddisons ability on the ball gives us something we dont have in the middle (though I think we have a few players could play there), Mount is more a clever runner, has a good shot but not aything super great....I get get the Lingard comparisons, though he is a better player.
Personally if we are talking £50m I wouldnt take either player, but they are both good. A number 8 is the priority where as those two really are number 10s....would rather a back up for Casemeiro if we were to sign two midfielders but either player could be excellent signings for a few sides in the top half of the table, I just dont think we are one of them
I'm a little concerned that this Hall kid might just be a better midfielder even if he is being forced to play LB.
That's certainly a possibility. If he's a replacement for Eriksen, he's obviously got energy the former doesn't possess.
I'm not sold on Bruno from deep, and I can't really imagine he'll shunt him wide right after spending so much on Antony. But this would give him more options certainly.
Cheers, will watch that.
Cheers Adnan, this is logical in the sense of improving the tactical shape and ability of the team in and out of possession (similar to how Antony is important, despite his having a pretty shoddy final ball/decision). What I do wonder about is him being English and very hyped, which will of course affect the price. And he's got leverage with Chelsea now so it's not as if he won't command very high wages. Maybe he's the player we were hoping Donny could be (but most definitely isn't).
Another question mark is where does ETH see Bruno. Beforehand I thought Bruno would be an anti-ETH player, what with his gung-ho approach and sometimes pretty sloppy ball retention, and like I said previously, I am not convinced by him playing deeper with his inclination for high risk passes, even at the edge of his own box. I don't dislike him wide right, he's certainly got the work ethic and like you say, it offers him a bit more liberation, but again, what about Antony?
We certainly need to shore up this midfield and I'd rather see us sign two (or promote Mejbri) and shed all of McTominay, Fred, Donny and not sign Sabitzer. If we'd have to keep one I'd retain Fred for the last year of contract, just for his energy.
We'll likely send Mainoo out on loan and Iqbal. Hopefully very thoughtfully considered loans too.
Cheers for the replies guys.
May be that’s down to some players had poor finishing ability because based on his xA, he should have gotten much more.
Good post.
I like the player. Bit of a surprise choice but if ETH wants him then I'm all for it.
If we sign Mason Mount, I believe there will be changing of tactic next season. And this is mainly because ten Hag and the scouting teams couldn’t find a deep-playmaker that has similar profile as FDJ (Someone with press resistance who can be ball carrier and progressive passer). Instead of playing with 4231, he will play 433. We see this changing formation in his Ajax team when FDJ left.
The following below is Ajax attacking transition vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
Mount will be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
The following below is Ajax attacking transition vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
GK
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Bruno will play in Gravenberch position while Mount will play next to him. Our full backs will cover the half space and sometime swap position with the wingers.Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Mount will be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
Someone convince me where he fits into team
If we sign Mason Mount, I believe there will be changing of tactic next season. And this is mainly because ten Hag and the scouting teams couldn’t find a deep-playmaker that has similar profile as FDJ (Someone with press resistance who can be ball carrier and progressive passer). Instead of playing with 4231, he will play 433. We see this changing formation in his Ajax team when FDJ left.
The following below is Ajax attacking transition vs Dortmund in 2021/2022 season. You can see that Gravenberch is nowhere near in Ajax build up play phase. It‘s the keeper, two CB, a DM, and the two full backs the ones who got involved in this. Among these 6 players, Alvarez is the one being assigned to play more simple passes and doesn’t get involved on the ball often (see below stats), this suitable to Casemiro who is not a press resistance so I think we will see a different role in Casemiro next season in comparison to this season.
I think our build up and attacking transition will be something like this:
GKBruno will play in Gravenberch position while Mount will play next to him. Our full backs will cover the half space and sometime swap position with the wingers.
Varane Martinez
Casemiro
RB —————— Shaw
Antony - Mount - Bruno - Rashford
ST
Mount will be perfect to play in this set up and system because we will get to utilise his strength to do high press, scoring goals and assists.
I took pictures of these FBref end of last season so this is based on 21/22 season.
Yeah maybe he is looking at a different profile of midfielder now he can't get De Jong hence Utd stepping up their interest in this guy
The reason why the match against Chelsea was really open was because United had Casemiro on his own, with Eriksen ahead of him and Bruno dropping deep, so more of a 4-3-3 or 4-1-2-3.
Eriksen was bypassed so easily today and you saw Bruno running his ass off tracking back numerous times. Someone like Mount can take up similar positions as Eriksen, but not get bypassed so easily through midfield, but also can press high up the pitch like Eriksen has been asked to do. Fred can't pass or shoot as good as Mount, but both players like to work hard off the ball, retrieve it, and can start transitions well.
I feel like EtH is going to continue to develop and change the squad so they can deploy different tactical systems and try to hurt opponents differently throughout a match, something they were unable to do this year and maybe why United struggled at times in the 2nd half of matches. In addition, Mount would be better than VdB, plus he is a versatile player.
The fee is the weird thing, unless McTominay, Maguire, Henderson, Telles, and someone else are going to raise near 75M+, in addition to the usual 100M overall.
Is there a bigger example than Mount of a player so many fans seem to think is shite but coaches and managers really rate?
Scott McTominay
Big "Huh?" from me, but Ten Hag wants him and I back Ten Hag.
Don't think Ten Hag rates him that highly or we wouldn't be interested in Rice
He doesn't get picked unless there's injuries/suspensions, does he?
That's only recently. He was a regular and rated highly under Rangnick, Ole and Mourinho. In fact, ETH chose McTominay and kept Casemiro out of the initial games till that wretched City game when it became apparent.
That was obviously to ease Casemiro in, rather than because he thought McT was better.
McT is a squad player for you, he's not someone all managers rate.
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