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Rajiztar said:
Problem with mount situation is he have to play and bring himself into form to get the place in England starting 11 in euro 2024.

If he stays with chelsea he will sign new contract otherwise he won't get into Chelsea team.

It's really bad situation for him overall. He said he won't sign new contract and only preference for him united but united playing hardball.

Won't rule out he will sign new contract in coming days. Matt law suggests Chelsea still didn't give him any new contract since February one year extension offer. Will see.
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He’s one of Southgate’s favourites. We’ve seen already with Maguire that you don’t need to be playing regularly to keep your place in the England team.
 
Rajiztar said:
Problem with mount situation is he have to play and bring himself into form to get the place in England starting 11 in euro 2024.

If he stays with chelsea he will sign new contract otherwise he won't get into Chelsea team.

It's really bad situation for him overall. He said he won't sign new contract and only preference for him united but united playing hardball.

Won't rule out he will sign new contract in coming days. Matt law suggests Chelsea still didn't give him any new contract since February one year extension offer. Will see.
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He won't sign and it's normal for coaches to play players who have yet to sign an extension and Poch is not dumb to not make use if Mount if he has to, a player at your disposal who had a history of doing very well for your team won't be sidelined because he didn't extend his contract.

If Mount doesn't get into Chelsea it will be because Poch thinks he is not good enough or needed, not because he didn't sign a new contract
 
Kirisatha96 said:
In cricket, there's a thing called cowboy cricket. It's considered a gentleman's game but then you face teams who rock up thinking they know how to play and can coach and do tactics and just go with vibes. No real technical knowledge or experience but think they're the bees knees. This is your advice in a nutshell.

Go out and get him is such poor mindset. The reason we have no appeal or get what we want is because we make awful financial decisions.

We got fleeced for Anthony when we walked away as we should have. We got fleeced for 100m. We got fleeced with Sancho. Now look where those players are in our squad. Not really setting the world alight?

If it's Mbappe or world's greatest wonderkid and they want to play for us, then yeah I get it.

But for the first time United are showing some dog attitude in the market and we still criticise.

They can't win with you lot.
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I repeat, I'm no fan of Mount. But ETH clearly is... nothing to do with me or the others here. our manger wants him

you explain to me how Arsenal can do what they are doing while the vampires continue to f@ck up our club
 
acnumber9 said:
Lisandro Martinez and Mudryk have been great signings for Arsenal.
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they are getting Harvetz (even if I wouldn't want him, they do) and have now bid £105m for Rice. I'm not interested in last season, I'm interested in beng able to challenge next season
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Terrible strategy to blindly buy anyone the manager wants. Not a single well run club does this.
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Terrible strategy to leave the manager with a wafer-thin squad compared to other teams. And let's not pretend that we didn't need to rotate last season but couldn't
 
mitchmouse said:
I assume Arsenal and Chelsea (not to mention City) have to follow the same rules...
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Yes. And they managed their ffp situation better than we did. Honestly it's not rocket science.

When you pay stupid amounts more than any other club in the league for average talent, whilst also selling poorly, it will catch up with you.
 
VP89 said:
Yes. And they managed their ffp situation better than we did. Honestly it's not rocket science.

When you pay stupid amounts more than any other club in the league for average talent, whilst also selling poorly, it will catch up with you.
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Arsenal are on the FFP watchlist while we aren’t?
Edit while Chelsea have to raise 200m before the end of this week just to comply?

Edit number 2 while City have 115 charges of financial cheating against them!
 
cyberman said:
Arsenal are on the FFP watchlist while we aren’t?
Edit while Chelsea have to raise 200m before the end of this week just to comply?

Edit number 2 while City have 115 charges of financial cheating against them!
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Where are you getting some of these figures from?

https://theathletic.com/4631250/2023/06/27/arsenal-rice-transfers-ffp/
For example, Arsenal are actually in a position to spend this summer.

“I don’t see too much reason why they should be worried about FFP,” says Kieran Maguire, finance lecturer at Liverpool University and co-host of The Price Of Football podcast. “They’ve spent a lot of money in the last couple of seasons and look as though they will again, but they’ve seen a significant rise in revenue streams. In 2022-23, they finished higher in the table, so they’ll get more merit payments from the Premier League.
 
VP89 said:
Where are you getting some of these figures from?

https://theathletic.com/4631250/2023/06/27/arsenal-rice-transfers-ffp/
For example, Arsenal are actually in a position to spend this summer.
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https://paininthearsenal.com/2022/0...are one of 20,more among Premier League clubs.

They’re on the watchlist. Nobody is saying they aren’t allowed to spend the same way nobody is saying United aren’t allowed to spend.
I’m just arguing against this idea that they’ve managed ffp better than we have. They factually haven’t

 
cyberman said:
I just read it on here? Has to be included in this years accounts for something technical reason.
It’s hard to argue against when you won’t be far off that number
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If players are sold before July 1 then yes, they count on the books for 22/23. But losses are calculated over a 3 year period, plus there are the mitigating circumstances given we were banned from all commercial activity for the first half of 2022.

Obviously any funds that we raise can only help, but it's purely speculation to say that we have to raise x amount by the end of the week.
 
Giggsyking said:
With our FFP tight situation, we cant do that. It is like signing a 90m player on 5 years.
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It is not. Payment structure is different from FFP calculation.

Player cost/number of years on contract is the FFP calculation.
 
TheMagicFoolBus said:
If players are sold before July 1 then yes, they count on the books for 22/23. But losses are calculated over a 3 year period, plus there are the mitigating circumstances given we were banned from all commercial activity for the first half of 2022.

Obviously any funds that we raise can only help, but it's purely speculation to say that we have to raise x amount by the end of the week.
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I’m guessing Chelsea wants this years accounts to be buffed for the last three years?
When you sell Havertz you’ll be a Mount fee away from 200m. Nobody is making this up!
 
cyberman said:
I’m guessing Chelsea wants this years accounts to be buffed for the last three years?
When you sell Havertz you’ll be a Mount fee away from 200m. Nobody is making this up!
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Oh I don't disagree with the amount that's being raised here - but there's no imperative that it happen by the end of the week is all.
 
cyberman said:
https://paininthearsenal.com/2022/0...are one of 20,more among Premier League clubs.

They’re on the watchlist. Nobody is saying they aren’t allowed to spend the same way nobody is saying United aren’t allowed to spend.
I’m just arguing against this idea that they’ve managed ffp better than we have. They factually haven’t

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Being on a watchlist doesn't mean they have managed it worse than us. They are in a position to spend well this summer and we aren't. This is more telling than anything else.

Also I want to know where you plucked the a Chelsea needing to raise 200m worth before June end?
 
VP89 said:
Being on a watchlist doesn't mean they have managed it worse than us. They are in a position to spend well this summer and we aren't. This is more telling than anything else.

Also I want to know where you plucked the a Chelsea needing to raise 200m worth before June end?
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It does because we aren’t on that watchlist while they are. Plus they’ve been spending more than us for a while now.
They need to raise money before the end of the accounting year, it’s been repeated many times in the Mount thread. We just can’t pick and choose what reports to believe to suit our own posts.
Somewhere there’s a rival forum talking about United wanting to spend 110m before next week on a midfielder and keeper as proof United have managed ffp better than they have.
Remember the same reporters telling us about a 200k limit in wages? Good times.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Should’ve just bought Maddison for £40m
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I would say Maddison is too similar to Bruno, which makes it difficult to play them both in the same team. Similar to Caicedo and Casemiro, playing them together has an element of stepping on each others toes about it.

Mount at least offers something different to Casemiro and Bruno.

Just my 50p
 
RuudTom83 said:
I would say Maddison is too similar to Bruno, which makes it difficult to play them both in the same team. Similar to Caicedo and Casemiro, playing them together has an element of stepping on each others toes about it.

Mount at least offers something different to Casemiro and Bruno.

Just my 50p
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Yep. Whatever about Mount v Maddison generally, for our purposes Mount makes a lot more sense.
 
cyberman said:
It does because we aren’t on that watchlist while they are. Plus they’ve been spending more than us for a while now.
They need to raise money before the end of the accounting year, it’s been repeated many times in the Mount thread. We just can’t pick and choose what reports to believe to suit our own posts.
Somewhere there’s a rival forum talking about United wanting to spend 110m before next week on a midfielder and keeper as proof United have managed ffp better than they have.
Remember the same reporters telling us about a 200k limit in wages? Good times.
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I am not picking and choosing anything. Your own thread didn't suggest they have a limitation on what they can spend this summer.
You have not shown which article said Chelsea need to sell 200m worth in 3 days. I find that BS. I can't find that myself.

Ive shown you an article that says Arsenal are fine to spend (albeit in staggered installments).

We on the other hand are categorically not.
 
VP89 said:
I am not picking and choosing anything. Your own thread didn't suggest they have a limitation on what they can spend this summer.
You have not shown which article said Chelsea need to sell 200m worth in 3 days. I find that BS. I can't find that myself.

Ive shown you an article that says Arsenal are fine to spend (albeit in staggered installments).

We on the other hand are categorically not.
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I never said Arsenal weren’t fine to spend? Do you think they’re budget less?
If one is on a ffp watchlist and the other isn’t then it’s hard to argue the club that’s having UEFA closely monitor their spend is managing ffp better.
It’s even affected their Rice transfer so it isn’t a ffp party in London
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ea-set-rake-130m-transfer-fees-end-month.html
 
cyberman said:
It does because we aren’t on that watchlist while they are. Plus they’ve been spending more than us for a while now.
They need to raise money before the end of the accounting year, it’s been repeated many times in the Mount thread. We just can’t pick and choose what reports to believe to suit our own posts.
Somewhere there’s a rival forum talking about United wanting to spend 110m before next week on a midfielder and keeper as proof United have managed ffp better than they have.
Remember the same reporters telling us about a 200k limit in wages? Good times.
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Good post.
 
VP89 said:
I am not picking and choosing anything. Your own thread didn't suggest they have a limitation on what they can spend this summer.
You have not shown which article said Chelsea need to sell 200m worth in 3 days. I find that BS. I can't find that myself.

Ive shown you an article that says Arsenal are fine to spend (albeit in staggered installments).

We on the other hand are categorically not.
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https://www.football365.com/news/ch...deadline-havertz-mount-kovacic-lukaku-feature

This is as good as you’ll get. Give it a read will explain everything. Don’t look for £200m that was probably a marginal calculation based on what they have to do to balance the books.

@TheMagicFoolBus.
 
cyberman said:
Resale value has nothing to do with the selling club.
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Oh it does. It is an indirect surrogate of age, and is the second biggest variable among elite player valuations, second only to actual skill-set.
 
TheLord said:
Oh it does. It is an indirect surrogate of age, and is the second biggest variable among elite player valuations, second only to actual skill-set.
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I can’t see how that has anything to do with the selling club.
Add a clause or something but trying to siphon any future profit would be a ridiculous request.
 
Mainoldo said:
https://www.football365.com/news/ch...deadline-havertz-mount-kovacic-lukaku-feature

This is as good as you’ll get. Give it a read will explain everything. Don’t look for £200m that was probably a marginal calculation based on what they have to do to balance the books.

@TheMagicFoolBus.
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It doesn't factor in club revenues, etc. How does it fit into the system of balancing books?
Shouldn't top clubs (vs. smaller clubs) be allowed to spend more because they generate more?
I mean there must other layers of complexities including debt, revenues, sponsorships, merchandise, etc.
 
cyberman said:
I can’t see how that has anything to do with the selling club.
Add a clause or something but trying to siphon any future profit would be a ridiculous request.
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If I have an item that has a huge resale value, it is certainly going to cost a lot more than another equally valuable item which has zero resale value. It is how trade operates.
 
Nori- said:
Move on, we are so desperate for signings as a fan base, we have elevated Mason Mount to peak Pirlo.

We've offered Chelsea much more than he's worth with 1 year left on his contract. They are not stupid, they know this.

Patience is key, they either take what's on the table (Set a deadline) or we move on to other targets and maybe get him on a free next year.
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Peak Pirlo? Try more than that, he can be a LAM, RAM, CAM, CM, LW, RW and can put in 7/10 week in week out in any of these positions.
 
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