Mason Mount | Confirmed

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Rajiztar said:
If I am a united negotiator I will add all the money they feel extra into add ons like minimum ten goals ten assists he need to achieve to activate 5mn clause need to win trophy to activate another 5mn clause and minimum number of appearance to activate another 2mn clause.

If united and mount achieved the clauses they won't feel overpaid. Chelsea also feel their valuation are met.
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If that was the case, easy add ons, the base fee would be much lower but Chelsea have their own values based on FFP and the necessity to shift players off their books and generate a transfer fee.

So they are the nail and United are the hammer...United need to hammer their 50+5 and not budge.
 
Clubs will meet and we'll just reiterate our max offer of £55m. Perhaps the payment structure will change or there will be some other incentives thrown in, but it seems clear at this point that United have no intention of caving in and increasing the overall offer
 
Still want us to get Mount while he seems to be our #1 target.

Most of the other 'top' midfielders who were linked with moves this or last summer have all been sold, signed new deals, or look set elsewhere - Bellingham, Rice, Caicedo, Kovacic, McAllister, Neves, Rabiot, Levia, etc...

Hopefully we'll have another player of similar ability lined up, but I'm not really seeing any links to other CM's so I'd still prefer us to wrap up the Mount deal and start addressing the other positions.
 
cyberman said:
Nowhere does that say we want the meeting. Your lot requested the meeting after turning down our last offer
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Right, but why would your people take time to sit down if they are just going to say, we will not budge? It is pretty busy for everyone involved right now. I think they will find common ground.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Right, but why would your people take time to sit down if they are just going to say, we will not budge? It is pretty busy for everyone involved right now. I think they will find common ground.
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Courtesy? Even now reports are saying we aren’t going above 55m. It’s Chelsea who wants this, that’s all I’m saying.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Right, but why would your people take time to sit down if they are just going to say, we will not budge? It is pretty busy for everyone involved right now. I think they will find common ground.
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They will find the common ground. All three parties want this to happen. No way the deal will be off for 5m.
 
bosskeano said:
look at the deal they just completed with City for Kovacic....don't tell me for one second taht they aren't trying to fleece United for more money
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Mount is 24 and English and one of their home grown talents. He was also their player of the year two seasons running. They don’t want to lose him, he wants to leave and is refusing to sign a new contract. He has made it clear he wants to come to united. I’m sure they’d be happy to keep him and hope he has a good season and does a u-turn. Only reason they will let him go is because he has a year left and his own desires to leave. They don’t want to sell him.
 
What difference is talking face to face gonna make? Just curious
 
The only way we should be open to bidding more if its lower guaranteed money, like a 45+15 bid instead of the 50+5
 
ForeverRed1 said:
Mount is 24 and English and one of their home grown talents. He was also their player of the year two seasons running. They don’t want to lose him, he wants to leave and is refusing to sign a new contract. He has made it clear he wants to come to united. I’m sure they’d be happy to keep him and hope he has a good season and does a u-turn. Only reason they will let him go is because he has a year left and his own desires to leave. They don’t want to sell him.
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I still don't think that makes him worth 35m more than Kovacic with a similar contract situation.
 
Kaos said:
Have you seen the price of a pint in London? We'd have to go in for a reduced offer after that.
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We'll include player in offer for every pint he devours. 10 players will go immediately, but the Frenkie Budget tale is always worth to hear again.
 
The sit down is wanted so they can both come up with ways to settle this but save face. "Let's get this done, but I don't want to be the one who has backed down"

It'll end up being 55m upfront with 10m add ons,

The add ons will be kept quiet and will be silly things like win the balon d'Or, or captain England etc etc

so technically Chelsea get the offer they wanted, but we only actually pay the 55m
 
give them the 55m if that is the demand but make it over three installments then if they won't budge on price
 
Idxomer said:
I still don't think that makes him worth 35m more than Kovacic with a similar contract situation.
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i actually agree with what your saying but clearly chelsea value him highly. They have put a high price on him for a reason. It’s actually abit of a shock that he wants to leave because not long ago he was mr chelsea and their pride and joy. You don’t get 2 x player if the year, particularly in a champions league winning year for no reason. It simply comes down to how they value him as an asset to the club. Something went seriously wrong last season for this to happen.
 
Listening to Alex Goldberg on Twitter spaces last night, seems as though Winstanley and Stewart are forcing Mount out.
 
jakko said:
Listening to Alex Goldberg on Twitter spaces last night, seems as though Winstanley and Stewart are forcing Mount out.
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By offering him a contract?
 
JJ12 said:
By offering him a contract?
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A one year contract? of course he wasn't going to sign that. He verbally agreed a new contract when Boehly was doing the negations before the world cup.
When the world cup had finished Winstanley and Stewart were appointed and took over the day today running and withdrew that contract offer. They haven't spoken or offered Mount a new deal deal since February when they offered him a 1 year deal.
 
So Chelsea practically gave Kovacic away for £25 million to City (as per the BBC) yet expect us to pay more then double that for Mount. They can feck off.
 
Move on, we are so desperate for signings as a fan base, we have elevated Mason Mount to peak Pirlo.

We've offered Chelsea much more than he's worth with 1 year left on his contract. They are not stupid, they know this.

Patience is key, they either take what's on the table (Set a deadline) or we move on to other targets and maybe get him on a free next year.
 
Sultan said:
If Chelsea are willing to gamble losing him for free that is their prerogative. He is their asset and can demand what they want regardless of how we feel about the valuation as fans.
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Well put.
Irrational. said:
So Chelsea practically gave Kovacic away for £25 million to City (as per the BBC) yet expect us to pay more then double that for Mount. They can feck off.
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One has no resale value, the other has a resale value that is potentially as much or even higher than the currently touted transfer fee. The two most important variables determining valuations are skillset and age.
 
TheLord said:
Well put.

One has no resale value, the other has a resale value that is potentially as much or even higher than the currently touted transfer fee. The two most important variables determining valuations are skillset and age.
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Resale value has nothing to do with the selling club.
 
TheLord said:
Because he has only one year left in his contract, it improves our bargaining power, but it does very little to his valuation. Those two entities sound similar, but are not. Valuation is complex. To add, what if Mount signs a contract extension tomorrow and is then offered to United? Suddenly, is it then reasonable for them to demand 80m?

We make too many inferences based on contract situations believing that clubs are obliged to sell us their players whose contract is about to run out on the cheap.

If Chelsea aren't under pressure to sell, they can demand the full fee, and it would be reasonable. If that valuation is reasonable to us, we say okay, else we move on.
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I agree with your first and third paragraphs, valuation is indeed a complex thing and Chelsea aren't in big pressure to sell, to need to make sales but not necessarily sell Mount since they can get 100m from Kova and Haverts as well the 3 players they are selling to Saudi clubs, but I disagree with the bolded part, the inference on the valuation isn't only from contract situation, it's also from current/latest player's form, the player's actual ability/talent/potential, the player's profile in terms of age and skillset, and other things too like if other clubs are willing to pay more than what United offere, United made a starting offer at 40m and then went up to 55m as their max, which means they considered his contract situation among many other things and decided that 55m is the most they should pay for Mount.
 
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Great attitude from Mount, by being professional it shows good character, he made his position clear by informing the club he has no intentions of singing a new contract but if Chelsea refuse to sell him, then he remains committed to Chelsea's cause for the reminder of his contract
 
Nori- said:
Move on, we are so desperate for signings as a fan base, we have elevated Mason Mount to peak Pirlo.
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I don't think anyone has done this. He is, however, a player that can offer flexibility to cover multiple positions on the field, suits the manager's desire to press, has plenty of experience in the CL and PL, and adds young homegrown depth to a midfield where most of the key players are in or approaching their 30's. Let us not forget one of those key players, the one Mount will likely shift into a more rotational role (Eriksen), doesn't have the legs for full games, let alone a full season.

There's a number of things that can be deemed considerable positives to the team and wider squad* from acquiring Mount. When you can't spunk your entire budget on one player, but need to improve multiple areas I think a player like Mount has a lot to offer. That's not really overrating him.

* Edit: I think signing Mount would likely result in Utd being able to then sell McTominay (seems the most clear direct replacement in the squad as both are more advanced midfielders really), and even at around £30m from what I understand McT's sale would open up more FFP wiggle room than the Mount purchase would take away. I'll defer to posters with more understanding of that should I be wrong though.
 
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OmarUnited4ever said:
Great attitude from Mount, by being professional it shows good character, he made his position clear by informing the club he has no intentions of singing a new contract but if Chelsea refuse to sell him, then he remains committed to Chelsea's cause for the reminder of his contract
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Problem with mount situation is he have to play and bring himself into form to get the place in England starting 11 in euro 2024.

If he stays with chelsea he will sign new contract otherwise he won't get into Chelsea team.

It's really bad situation for him overall. He said he won't sign new contract and only preference for him united but united playing hardball.

Won't rule out he will sign new contract in coming days. Matt law suggests Chelsea still didn't give him any new contract since February one year extension offer. Will see.
 
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