Mason Mount | Confirmed

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Lash said:
Of course it does if we cave, that's literally why you've taken up this position because you think we will, as we have in the past.

They obviously hold all the ultimate power to let him go, but if you take a hard line, you stand to lose him for nothing. Mount isn't going to make or break our season, so we should stick to an upper limit we seem to have set - which I still think is overpaying as it is.
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Each transfer has own pros and cons. Problem is you think this will set precedent yes it is but equally it will make you look like not serious player in market.

If you failed to sign no one of rabiot or mount then players won't take risk for you so as agents. If 5 mn is the difference between selling club and you with player gave you all the effort you needed yet fail to sign the player that will set the bad precedent in my opinion.
 
I think and rate Mason Mount best ability is on the final third of the pitch. His finish and assist ability and skill. And those are ability that made Ten Hag want him.

If i don't remember wrong. I heard Ten Hag mentioned he want his attacking players to be more ruthless and more sharp. Finish better and score more goals.
And i do agree with Ten Hag. United could score more goals = more sharper and better finish.


But beside Mount. I think and believe United and Ten Hag need someone who cover and challenge Casemiro. Because United struggle a lot whhen Casemiro got suspended.
And i think United need a CM that is really really good with the build up and set up the tempo. Because i don't rate Casemiro at top level when it come to the build up play.

So beside Mount. One of Rice or Caicedo will be ideal. Both of those 2 guys are better on the build up than Casemiro and run more than Eriksen. Younger legs. United and Ten Hag just need that top quality allround CM. Beside are more offensive and more specific CM in Mount.

Alternative allround and really good CM too Rice and Caicedo is Juventus's Manuel Locatelli. Locatelli has play whole his football career as a nr.6. Deep laying playmaker who are really aggresive too, good with tackling.
And with Juventus without champion league next season. It can be a factor to lead Locatelli to United.

And If Ten Hag and United get Mount. Then Rabiot is not the answer of another CM. Why? Because Rabiot is a LCM and nr.8. Mount is nr.8 and Rabiot is nr.8. The difference is just left and right foot.

Sum up. United and Ten Hag need 2 of those:

Offensive and nr.8 = Mason Mount & Build up and playmaking CM/allround/nr.6 = Rice or Caicedo or alternative Locatelli.

1 of nr.8 and 1 of nr.6 group of CM players.
 
I did have Mason Mount on my fantasy premier league team 2 years back. For the same reason as Ten Hag.

Mason Mount was playing as a nr.10 for Chelsea back then. And with his sharp finish skill and ability. Was the reason i bought and had him in my fantasy team.

And with Ten Hag mentioned about United attacking players finish skill last season. Not difficult to figure out WHY Ten Hag want Mason Mount. It is Mount's final third ability/end product ability.
 
Rajiztar said:
Each transfer has own pros and cons. Problem is you think this will set precedent yes it is but equally it will make you look like not serious player in market.

If you failed to sign no one of rabiot or mount then players won't take risk for you so as agents. If 5 mn is the difference between selling club and you with player gave you all the effort you needed yet fail to sign the player that will set the bad precedent in my opinion.
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Coming from Chelsea fan, I think we will be alright.

Lack of self awareness is apparent. Did you set a bad precedent with Ugarte then?
 
Rajiztar said:
Each transfer has own pros and cons. Problem is you think this will set precedent yes it is but equally it will make you look like not serious player in market.

If you failed to sign no one of rabiot or mount then players won't take risk for you so as agents. If 5 mn is the difference between selling club and you with player gave you all the effort you needed yet fail to sign the player that will set the bad precedent in my opinion.
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The audacity to tell this nonsense as a Chelsea fan :lol:
 
Lash said:
Of course we should, that just sets a precedent for any other transfer going forward. You either have a budget or you don't, you can't just keep "meeting in the middle" or you run out of cash. Chelsea have consistently come down and started from an unreasonable position anyway and have zero leverage, why should we bail them out?
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If we pay £80 million for a guy who is worth £50 - then I agree with you. But this is not the issue. We are willing to go to £55 million - Chelsea are at £60 million - the difference is so small it's just stupid to walk away.

It's not about bailing them out - it's about signing one of their players. If Chelsea can't sell Mount to us, chances are someone else will buy him. Maybe for a lower sum, but the result is still the same - ETH doesnt get the player he wants. And seriously running out of cash ? We run out of cash at £57 million but not at £55 million ? Noone wins if we walk away from this deal - not Chelsea, not us and certainly not Mount. When the difference is £5 million, it's simply stupid
not to find a solution.

And yes - I think the clubs will solve it.
 
lysglimt said:
If we pay £80 million for a guy who is worth £50 - then I agree with you. But this is not the issue. We are willing to go to £55 million - Chelsea are at £60 million - the difference is so small it's just stupid to walk away.

It's not about bailing them out - it's about signing one of their players. If Chelsea can't sell Mount to us, chances are someone else will buy him. Maybe for a lower sum, but the result is still the same - ETH doesnt get the player he wants. And seriously running out of cash ? We run out of cash at £57 million but not at £55 million ? Noone wins if we walk away from this deal - not Chelsea, not us and certainly not Mount. When the difference is £5 million, it's simply stupid
not to find a solution.

And yes - I think the clubs will solve it.
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Yeah we will get there
 
lysglimt said:
If we pay £80 million for a guy who is worth £50 - then I agree with you. But this is not the issue. We are willing to go to £55 million - Chelsea are at £60 million - the difference is so small it's just stupid to walk away.

It's not about bailing them out - it's about signing one of their players. If Chelsea can't sell Mount to us, chances are someone else will buy him. Maybe for a lower sum, but the result is still the same - ETH doesnt get the player he wants. And seriously running out of cash ? We run out of cash at £57 million but not at £55 million ? Noone wins if we walk away from this deal - not Chelsea, not us and certainly not Mount. When the difference is £5 million, it's simply stupid
not to find a solution.

And yes - I think the clubs will solve it.
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£55M is already £5m over what they paid for Sterling last season - why is Mount worth £10m more? It's a matter of fair valuation, just because they say he's worth that, doesn't make it true.

It is about bailing them out, they're clearly trying to get an unreasonable sum for a player they're going to lose on a free next summer. If they want to try and sell abroad for less, by all means, but the player has indicated he wants to come to us and won't sign a new deal - seems unlikely he'd want to go. My point about running out of cash is if you just keep overpaying when you draw a line in the sand, you run out of budget very quickly because every other team will do the same.

I'm not say pull the deal entirely, £50m+£5m should remain on the table because it's an extremely reasonable offer, but move on to other things in the mean time. They've come down already to £60m after their £65M counter in less than a week, there's absolutely no reason to needlessly give them more money.
 
REminds me a bit of the Ray Wilkins transfer back in the day. Chelsea were reluctant to let him sign for us and it took a move on Ray's part for Chelsea to finally sell him for the money we had on the table, which was £750,000.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
If I use De Gea's current contract situation as a reference, I am not sure I will have any confidence in Man Utd's transfer dealing at all.
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If anything it just shows we have learnt our lesson, thanks to ETH.
Glad it happened now albeit late (DDG contract)
 
Considering is was a reported 3rd bid, then United have already raised it twice. Taking a stand and saying they will not raise it a 3rd time is totally understandable.

Anyone arguing that is is only 5 million more need to remember United initially bid 40 million, so the current bid is already 15 million more, biding 20 million more than the opening bid seems crazy.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Let's hope other agents and players look at this the same way too.
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They won't and it would be pure naive to even think like that ( opposition fan or not). Are you struggling to sign players because of your handling of Ozil ?
 
croadyman said:
Just would have been better if we hadn't offered it in the first place than snatched it away
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Ofcourse but DDG as a player should have seen this coming . Hart was the one of the best GKs in PL when Pep mercilessly replaced him.
 
bond19821982 said:
They won't and it would be pure naive to even think like that ( opposition fan or not). Are you struggling to sign players because of your handling of Ozil ?
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Arsenal paid off his contract, same for Aubameyang. Both of them are allowed to leave for free. Arsenal wrote off the cost basically. I don't see any similarity here.
 
croadyman said:
Yeah cos too bloody slow as always,will be absolutely irate if he ends up joining Bayern. We need a striker more than them by an absolute country mile and just standing still.
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We wouldn’t have signed him if we had 200 million to spare. Tottenham would never sell him to United.
 
bond19821982 said:
They won't and it would be pure naive to even think like that ( opposition fan or not). Are you struggling to sign players because of your handling of Ozil ?
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Not to mention it seems outrage here is actually greater than from Alleged Aggrieved party De Gea who if we go by the same reports is still in discussion with United I wonder why .
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
Arsenal paid off his contract, same for Aubameyang. Both of them are allowed to leave for free. Arsenal wrote off the cost basically. I don't see any similarity here.
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Paid off ? who is talking about money here. If we are talking about money or contract, United don't owe DDG anything . They are perfectly in their legal rights to revoke the contract until it's signed.

I thought the discussion is surrounding the moral side of things ? You still handled it wrongly and sidelined Ozil because of various reasons Including the non- footballing ones. You even demanded they take a pay cut . Did that impact your ability in signing players ?

Let's get real here, mate.
 
Lash said:
Coming from Chelsea fan, I think we will be alright.

Lack of self awareness is apparent. Did you set a bad precedent with Ugarte then?
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What my post got to do with ugarte and Chelsea. Ugarte didn't say I wanted to play for Chelsea only. And PSG offered him more wages than us and player chose them over Chelsea. Lack of awareness on your part comparing ugarte and mount situation. :)

It's about manutd and how they could be perceived if they do not want to spend 5mn more and let the player in no man's land who clearly wanted to play for united and manager s first choice player.
 
lysglimt said:
If we pay £80 million for a guy who is worth £50 - then I agree with you. But this is not the issue. We are willing to go to £55 million - Chelsea are at £60 million - the difference is so small it's just stupid to walk away.

It's not about bailing them out - it's about signing one of their players. If Chelsea can't sell Mount to us, chances are someone else will buy him. Maybe for a lower sum, but the result is still the same - ETH doesnt get the player he wants. And seriously running out of cash ? We run out of cash at £57 million but not at £55 million ? Noone wins if we walk away from this deal - not Chelsea, not us and certainly not Mount. When the difference is £5 million, it's simply stupid
not to find a solution.

And yes - I think the clubs will solve it.
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Cool if it's so minimal Chelsea can just come down for a win/win/win.
 
Berbasbullet said:
Cool if it's so minimal Chelsea can just come down for a win/win/win.
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Because they don't have to - they can afford to wait until late august. The extra millions are just as much worth then. We are the ones wanting him so he can play the first 3-4 matches of the season.
 
Rajiztar said:
What my post got to do with ugarte and Chelsea. Ugarte didn't say I wanted to play for Chelsea only. And PSG offered him more wages than us and player chose them over Chelsea. Lack of awareness on your part comparing ugarte and mount situation. :)

It's about manutd and how they could be perceived if they do not want to spend 5mn more and let the player in no man's land who clearly wanted to play for united and manager s first choice player.
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He is not worth 60m. Not even 45m, let alone in his final year of his contract. It is a generous and stupid offer by united.
 
lysglimt said:
Because they don't have to - they can afford to wait until late august. The extra millions are just as much worth then. We are the ones wanting him so he can play the first 3-4 matches of the season.
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We can simply move on them, and potentially pick him up next season. No guarantees united stick around for him.
 
Rajiztar said:
Why these fools reduce the asking price. Keep him one more year more valuable you idiots. Only goalscorer and assist maker in that team you wanted him gone. Boehly circus started again.
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Hope this is sarcasm, because....What a load of nonsense. So they should keep him one more year and go for free next season? When they can get £55-60m for him now :lol:
 
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