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Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Or instead of signing a shittier 10 and shuffling Bruno around in the name of work rate... maybe we could just sign a quality CM that can run as well?

This is a hilariously bad signing just like Maguire was at the time, and will be laughed at in a few years just like Maguire was. Someone tell fecking Ten Hag to trust some scouts a bit more instead of getting obsessed with only players he's seen in person
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Who can we get as good as Mount for 40m?
I’m saying this as someone who isn’t a fan of his by the way. Maybe he sees Bruno as better than any CM option we can afford or sign?
This forum did spend an entire year saying Bruno as a 10 didn’t suit Ten Hags style of play
 
fits Newcastle and Liverpool like a glove, doesn't make sense for anyone else, putting him in midfield with Casemiro and Bruno is asking for trouble
 
Dancfc said:
He certainly is amazing defensively for the standards of an attacking player but not so much in a two man midfield (possible exception when desperately chasing a game). We've only done it a few times from the start but it's looked horrible when we have and felt like we had a 1 man midfield.

If you sign him in your 4-2-3-1 formation his best position would actually be the right of the '3', but would Ten Hag render Antony to a squad player role so soon?
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Not to mention we don't have a RB on the level of James that can provide creative danger to compliment Mount if he played there.
 
cyberman said:
Who can we get as good as Mount for 40m?
I’m saying this as someone who isn’t a fan of his by the way. Maybe he sees Bruno as better than any CM option we can afford or sign?
This forum did spend an entire year saying Bruno as a 10 didn’t suit Ten Hags style of play
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I actually thought Bruno played his best season as an actual footballer this year for us, he was just terrible in front of goal and severely let down by how awful the rest were as well.

But seeing him as a better option "than anyone we can sign" would be on Ten Hag. Because I guarantee our scouting network has numerous options in that position to mull over instead of signing an overpriced player that doesn't fit at all (and will also cost a bomb in wages fyi). Your bolded part is exactly why we've been a dogshit run club for the past decade now, as we seem to refuse to believe there is anyone that is as good as Mount (who isn't that great) for a decent price, yet Brighton and many other clubs year in and year out find these players from all over. I mean feck Newcastle signed Guimares for 20m just a year ago.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Or instead of signing a shittier 10 and shuffling Bruno around in the name of work rate... maybe we could just sign a quality CM that can run as well?

This is a hilariously bad signing just like Maguire was at the time, and will be laughed at in a few years just like Maguire was. Someone tell fecking Ten Hag to trust some scouts a bit more instead of getting obsessed with only players he's seen in person
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How do you know that's not what's happening here? :nervous:
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Or instead of signing a shittier 10 and shuffling Bruno around in the name of work rate... maybe we could just sign a quality CM that can run as well?

This is a hilariously bad signing just like Maguire was at the time, and will be laughed at in a few years just like Maguire was. Someone tell fecking Ten Hag to trust some scouts a bit more instead of getting obsessed with only players he's seen in person
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Funny enough, I can see it. We may be going for more options as opposed to one distinctly quality option in midfield.

If we sign Rabiot or a similar player, signing Mount at a good price won't be a problem. He has the energy Eriksen lacks, but we've also seen Bruno being willing to be more conservative. My guess is that we want to play a 433 next season, so having a number of quality midfield options rather than a clear and obvious midfield 3 may be what ETH is looking for. Most teams these days are more interested in depth in this regard, which is how Liverpool, Chelea and even Real Madrid have been able to keep up over time. A midfield with depth that includes Bruno, Casemiro, Eriksen, Fred, Rabiot and Mount would see us fielding consistently good teams without having to worry about how Casemiro or Eriksen are going to consistently hold up during a season.

I'm not saying it's my number one option, but I can definately see the benefit in having a player like him
 
Zoo said:
Is what Chelsea paid for Sterling with one year left on his contract.
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Sterling was fairly productive for the champions, Mount has been dreadful for England and a bottom-half club the entire year. I'm Sir Jim og Jassim out if we spend money on Mount.
 
Back in 2021 I preferred him to Bruno. I know I'll get a lot of deserved backlash for that but it shows the level he was capable of playing at.

I'm not against this as he can play in multiple positions and makes us younger and adds much needed energy and dynamism to the team.

For the right price I won't say no. All his coaches have loved him, I'd liken him to this generation's James Milner.
 
Valencia Shin Crosses said:
I actually thought Bruno played his best season as an actual footballer this year for us, he was just terrible in front of goal and severely let down by how awful the rest were as well.

But seeing him as a better option "than anyone we can sign" would be on Ten Hag. Because I guarantee our scouting network has numerous options in that position to mull over instead of signing an overpriced player that doesn't fit at all (and will also cost a bomb in wages fyi). Your bolded part is exactly why we've been a dogshit run club for the past decade now, as we seem to refuse to believe there is anyone that is as good as Mount (who isn't that great) for a decent price, yet Brighton and many other clubs year in and year out find these players from all over. I mean feck Newcastle signed Guimares for 20m just a year ago.
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Our competition for Mount seems to be Liverpool etc. There’s an argument to be made that Brighton don’t go after those players because they can’t afford those players so I wouldn’t be quoting Brightons transfer strategy.
You’re making a lot of assumptions with this post to be honest. We have no idea who has recommended who.
There’s no point in pretending 40m is 100m. 40m really isn’t that bad and I saying this as someone who doesn’t rate him as a player.
I’d also say this is a good sign for those who want Kane. I couldn’t see how he and Bruno would play in the same team, seems we could be getting rid of the 10 position all together
 
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Good watch, so he'd be our park ji-sung. His off the ball attributes, being key to why managers like him so much.

Summed up as "above average on the ball, exceptional off it".
 
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Valencia Shin Crosses said:
Except Mount at his best was a hybrid forward in a completely different setup, with 3 CMs behind him all adept at keeping the ball. In this he'd have Casemiro and Bruno being forced into a CM role. He's a rich man's Lingard and we'd be forcing him into the side in the name of pressing while sacrificing a ton of ball security that we could get with another actual CM. Unless we are just going to buy Mount AND a quality CM (not Rabiot), I don't see how it makes sense at all.
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At his best he was playing under Tuchel who like ten Hag wants to control zones and spaces with and without the ball. And that was a different formation, but under ten Hag I see Mount being utilised as a advanced midfielder with two midfielders behind him who will occupy positions in the build up phase.

And like I said previously, I believe they want to sign a GK, CM and RB, too. And once we bring some of those players in, the picture will become clearer on how ten Hag wants to develop the team. And imo the aim is to develop a team that can play the game in the opponent's half by sacrificing defensive stability for goals with the press and counter press as a safety net.

We've also got a couple of young players who fit into either a deeper lying midfield role or as a attacking midfielder. And it remains to be seen what ten Hag decides to do with them, but they fit the profile as far as being creative hubs in central midfield with the ability to carry and dribble the.ball. Pre-season could see the rise of another young player, like we saw with Garnacho last year.

So imo it's important for the whole picture to emerge before passing judgement prematurely.
 
cyberman said:
Who can we get as good as Mount for 40m?
I’m saying this as someone who isn’t a fan of his by the way. Maybe he sees Bruno as better than any CM option we can afford or sign?
This forum did spend an entire year saying Bruno as a 10 didn’t suit Ten Hags style of play
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Jesus, who can we get for 40m + 250k week wages better than Mason Mount? An absolute swathe of midfielders on the continent for a fraction of the cost.
 
Can’t imagine a more underwhelming signing for The summer transfer window.
 
Really hope this turns out like the Arnautovic/Rabiot situation last summer.
 
I am not believing for a second he is truly a target. The price, the wage, the quality are absolutely no where close to being a good deal and nothing suggests that a signing like this is our modus operandi any more.

Under the old regime, sure, but not a chance this is a priority signing. We're being used to either make a market or force him into a contract extension.
 
As much as I'd like to keep Mount, he has never really had a designated role in our side and with his form and injuries recently its becoming more and more obvious that a starting place for him will be tough from here on out. I'd much rather sell Kova to you lot but can't complain about £50m+ for Mason if it does arrive.

I think ten Hag is a big factor here aswell. If I recall correctly when he was on loan at Vitesse ETH was a big fan of his and wanted him the summer after at Ajax. He probably has a plan for him that has enticed him (and the money).
 
Lash said:
I am not believing for a second he is truly a target. The price, the wage, the quality are absolutely no where close to being a good deal and nothing suggests that a signing like this is our modus operandi any more.

Under the old regime, sure, but not a chance this is a priority signing. We're being used to either make a market or force him into a contract extension.
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Ornstein is reporting it mate. It's very real.
 
Focusing on positional play shouldn’t mean sacrificing quality. We will never be a top team like this. We can’t make signings like WW or Mount (yes Mount is obviously better but still nothing special) and use positional play as excuse.
We may then as well bring back Welbeck and use him as 1st choice striker.
 
Remember the geese said:
Ornstein is reporting it mate. It's very real.
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Ornstein is reporting Mounts preference and then follows up with we're "preparing a bid". Reads like an O jogo headline about Garay or Gaitan.

Our priority is clearly a striker, but we're just gonna drop 55m on Mount first? I'll believe it when I see it.
 
cyberman said:
Our competition for Mount seems to be Liverpool etc. There’s an argument to be made that Brighton don’t go after those players because they can’t afford those players so I wouldn’t be quoting Brightons transfer strategy.
You’re making a lot of assumptions with this post to be honest. We have no idea who has recommended who.
There’s no point in pretending 40m is 100m. 40m really isn’t that bad and I saying this as someone who doesn’t rate him as a player.
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I don't really give a shit about our competition. The point is Brighton (or any other well run club) can find players of sufficient quality that run rings around the majority of our midfield, yet apparently we can't find someone better than Mason Mount for less than 40m (again, I'd be shocked if we get him for less than 50 btw). But the fact that we are blatantly looking to pay somewhat of a premium for a player to play a role that he has never played well for Chelsea, when he's on the last year of his deal, and pay him premium wages is idiotic.

As far as assuming this is an ETH obsession, well that's because everything outside of Casemiro up to this point has been fully ETH driven. I have no reason to believe our scouts are the ones pushing hard for a player that on paper doesn't fit into the side at all, it's clearly the coach that believes he can find a tactical tweak for him.
 
Lash said:
I am not believing for a second he is truly a target. The price, the wage, the quality are absolutely no where close to being a good deal and nothing suggests that a signing like this is our modus operandi any more.

Under the old regime, sure, but not a chance this is a priority signing. We're being used to either make a market or force him into a contract extension.
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There is a reason why last time I asked you who is this deep playmaker that we can sign in this summer that fits ETH profile. I couldn’t think any names, while you just gave me some random that have question mark if they fits the profile. Signing this guys shows that there is no such a player available this summer and ETH might be forced to use Bruno as his deep playmaker like how he used him when eriksen was injured.
 
Adnan said:
At his best he was playing under Tuchel who like ten Hag wants to control zones and spaces with and without the ball. And that was a different formation, but under ten Hag I see Mount being utilised as a advanced midfielder with two midfielders behind him who will occupy positions in the build up phase.

And like I said previously, I believe they want to sign a GK, CM and RB, too. And once we bring some of those players in, the picture will become clearer on how ten Hag wants to develop the team. And imo the aim is to develop a team that can play the game in the opponent's half by sacrificing defensive stability for goals with the press and counter press as a safety net.

We've also got a couple of young players who fit into either a deeper lying midfield role or as a attacking midfielder. And it remains to be seen what ten Hag decides to do with them, but they fit the profile as far as being creative hubs in central midfield with the ability to carry and dribble the.ball. Pre-season could see the rise of another young player, like we saw with Garnacho last year.

So imo it's important for the whole picture to emerge before passing judgement prematurely.
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Right, but even playing Mount as that advanced midfielder we are sacrificing any sort of ball control and taking care in possession. Especially as we all assume it would be with Bruno in the side as well with Casemiro as the DM. That midfield 3 is about as gung ho as it gets, and doesn't really fit into how a "possession" side might play. Ten Hag can be like Tuchel and try to control zones and spaces, but Tuchel also had 5 players in behind Mount that could comfortably circulate and play tidy on the ball (Jorginho/Kova/Kante/James/Chillwell). Compare that to the personnel we might line up in a similar way, and alarm bells ring for me (Shaw/Case/Bruno/Mount/AWB (or praying for a RB signing who is quality)).
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
There is a reason why last time I asked you who is this deep playmaker that we can sign in this summer that fits ETH profile. I couldn’t think any names, while you just gave me some random that have question mark if they fits the profile. Signing this guys shows that there is no such a player available this summer and ETH might be forced to use Bruno as his deep playmaker like how he used him when eriksen was injured.
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If we don't think we can find better value for money than moving Bruno back in the deep lying playmaker role, I'm fine with that. I would disagree, but whatever. I don't see how the logical next step is to buy fecking Mason Mount for £55m.

Bear in mind this is someone who's been negotiating their extension with Chelsea and they've been disagreeing on salary. Seems far too convenient.
 
Adnan said:
@Bastian I wasn't going to respond but as you've asked, then signing him makes sense imo.

The likes of Bruno and Fred etc play with a lot of energy but they're easily bypassed by quick and agile players. Mount not only matches the aforementioned two for intensity but is also physically and athletically gifted hence he's stronger in defensive transition and tactically he's a superior player for a team that wants to sacrifice defensive stability for goals. It's why the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal want him, aswell as Tuchel rating him highly. All our forwards with the exception of Antony aren't very intelligent when it comes to defensive duties in defensive transition. And previously the likes of Pogba and Matic were also easily bypassed in midfield. So you can't control games without controlling both what you do in possession and also what you do out of possession. And what you do out of possession isn't very popular amongst some fans but it's absolutely imperative if one wants to implement a proactive attacking brand of football by playing the game in the opponent's half.

Also if we end up signing Harry Kane with him dropping deeper with Mount behind him, it makes more sense for a player with Mounts skillset to be behind him centrally, rather than Bruno imo. Mount is a proper systems player and hence a positional play coach like Tuchel was able to get his ideas across quickly to the player. Mount can also be used as a pressing trigger and is technically good, aswell as tactically clever.

And I hope we can get the deals done quickly because for me the most important positions to target to dominate games is a keeper, CM and RB. And those three positions are key to exerting control in possession and play through the press and raise the defensive line.
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I would like to hear your opinion on this so if we end up signing Mount and Kane, where do you think Bruno will play or fit into? And what’s Bruno role going to be?
 
Lash said:
If we don't think we can find better value for money than moving Bruno back in the deep lying playmaker role, I'm fine with that. I would disagree, but whatever. I don't see how the logical next step is to buy fecking Mason Mount for £55m.

Bear in mind this is someone who's been negotiating their extension with Chelsea and they've been disagreeing on salary. Seems far too convenient.
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For £55m has no logic but ignoring the price, Mount is a box to box midfielder who likes to press. Therefore, we will have mount as box to box, Bruno as playmaker, and Casemiro as the DM. His incredible work rate is required to do high press. His end product will also improve our xG and xA. His versatility will benefit for ETH to make tactical changes without needing to swap too many players.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
For £55m has no logic but ignoring the price, Mount is a box to box midfielder who likes to press. Therefore, we will have mount as box to box, Bruno as playmaker, and Casemiro as the DM. His incredible work rate is required to do high press. His end product will also improve our xG and xA. His versatility will benefit for ETH to make tactical changes without needing to swap too many players.
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He's not. His best work has come on the left and right wing for us. When he's played deeper it generally hasn't worked out well.
 
The only reason I can see this - is if he wants to upgrade on a United’s version of Van de Beek.

Considering he has him already then it seems unrealistic, even if VDB isn’t good enough.
 
Erik is trying his best to get it wrong, what a nonsensical signing this would be. It can't be true.
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
For £55m has no logic but ignoring the price, Mount is a box to box midfielder who likes to press. Therefore, we will have mount as box to box, Bruno as playmaker, and Casemiro as the DM. His incredible work rate is required to do high press. His end product will also improve our xG and xA. His versatility will benefit for ETH to make tactical changes without needing to swap too many players.
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He's not though, he's a pressing 10 or a versatile attacking midfielder. I actually think he does a lot of what Weghorst attempts to do and what Van de beek did for his Ajax side.

His end product is nothing special, we might turnover the ball higher up the pitch, but that is not worth the money we'd have to pay to get him and the wage we'd have to pay him. Kamada, who we were linked with on a free, would offer pretty much the same profile, but for nothing close to what Mount would cost. Veiga would cost less, is younger and we were linked with him too. This absolutely stinks of smoking out suitors or negotiating tactics.
 
Imagine if we pay the 55m for Mount and then Chelsea go right up the other end of the pitch and use the additional money on Osimhen, meanwhile, we scramble late in August to bring in Haller as we look for a makeshift CF until summer 2024. :lol:
 
Lash said:
He's not though, he's a pressing 10 or a versatile attacking midfielder. I actually think he does a lot of what Weghorst attempts to do and what Van de beek did for his Ajax side.

His end product is nothing special, we might turnover the ball higher up the pitch, but that is not worth the money we'd have to pay to get him and the wage we'd have to pay him. Kamada, who we were linked with on a free, would offer pretty much the same profile, but for nothing close to what Mount would cost. Veiga would cost less, is younger and we were linked with him too. This absolutely stinks of smoking out suitors or negotiating tactics.
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This is what I said I too, Mount would be playing like Van De Beek.

The problem is Bruno is arguably a pressing but creative number 10 as well whilst we haveVDB at number 2 already.
 
Bebestation said:
This is what I said I too, Mount would be playing like Van De Beek.

The problem is Bruno is arguably a pressing but creative number 10 as well whilst we haveVDB at number 2.
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Agreed and I think Sabitzer deputised for Bruno in that regard, in DVB's absence and was a very good versatile option to have.

I'm fine with the profile being targeted, makes sense, but Mount doesn't offer enough quality or versatility to warrant a massive wage and transfer fee. I don't think any of our recruitment team would ever think this makes any sort of sense when our budget is up in the air with FFP and Takeovers.
 
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