How is the ball in Chelsea's court? They have rejected our offer. We either up it or move on.
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How is the ball in Chelsea's court? They have rejected our offer. We either up it or move on.
They could always accept the last offer on the table. It is not the first time a club accepts an offer they rejected previously. In their courts means they can negotiate the structure of the deal with united but not the fee.
"Offer still on the table", Chelsea need to eat some humble pie and accept it.
It depends on how Chelsea responded I guess. If they said "give us a day or 2 to consider" then it's different to if they said "get fecked".
This is the first time I am happy with the way the club handles a transfer. For once show some fecking balls and be ready to walk away.
Have you not kept up to date with the saga. They countered our offer with a 58+7 option.
We told them we aren’t going any higher. So it’s up to them.
Yeah we could throw in MaguireOr offer less
I don't want to sell Mount at all but you can't blame Chelsea for asking!
It isn't really up to them though because they've made it clear that our offer wasn't good enough
And we have told them that it is. So it's back to them.
True. I still think it will get done one way or another.
We can tell them that their home kit is the colour blue, but if they disagree that is their gift.
Casemiro
Mount - Bruno
Kane
Mount - Bruno
Kane
I think this is what Ten Hag wants - he doesn’t want 2 CDM in a double pivot, he wants to play the diamond with 2 very high energetic midfielders that are able to press, beat a press and play passes in tight spaces aswell as move out wide with the ability to play crosses in to the box.
He then has 3 creators supplying 2 inverted wider forwards playing almost in a striker partnership.
Antony/G/Amad - Rashford/Garna
The opposition’s attack will have to come from out wide to bypass our central diamond, something players like Wan Bissaka and Shaw will deal with - whilst crosses will be dealt with a better in the box goalkeeper than De Gea.
Any central play that beats the pressing of both Bruno and Mount will have to bypass a player like Casemiro which will be hard to do as he sweeps up the central midfield very well.
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He already did that (according to reports). He's informed them that he won't sing a new deal, wants to join United or he will leave on a free next summer.
If they do not budge, we should offer him a contract next year or test their resolve in the winter transfer window.
We could sign another midfield now, sell Eriksen next year and still have healthy competition for the starting spot.
Erm… well I don’t know what else to say. He’s going for free then
Is this you Todd?
You can’t tbf. But you have to admit it was very risky and cheeky.
When was the last time a diamond was actually effective for anyone let alone us? It usually backfires horrendously. I don't think this is the plan.
I remember one of the Ajax fans said Ten Hag had used it there during the last season.
Still feels more like a FM idea than one that's going to be effective across a season of PL football. Dutch football is quite different. Even in FM they're highly inefficient formations compared to the alternatives!
I guess there's always room for innovation but I think diamonds are a vestige from the past and may remain there for a while. It also doesn't make that much sense that we'd want a two striker formation and have to shoehorn people into that role when we haven't even got one quality striker on our books. Why would you commit 80 million to Antony then decide we'll play a diamond a year later. Would be strange.
It worked great for Milan in 2000s.
You shouldn't underestimate boehly. He will give mount more than 300 k in weekly wages and make him extend his contract. That man is crazy to say the least.Erm… well I don’t know what else to say. He’s going for free then
Is this you Todd?
We reduced a lot of wages in recent exodus. So it's not impossible scenario.
Him going for free is an irrelevance. We haven't offered a fee that is acceptable to Chelsea. That is their gift.Erm… well I don’t know what else to say. He’s going for free then
Is this you Todd?
That's just 433 with a false #9.
20 years ago. Not sure that's evidence of its relevance.
I expect we are going to see a variation on the current theme. I think ETH is just trying to refine the midfield balance to get what he wants. I'm not expecting wholesale changes.
It’s the 433.
Keeper
AWB - CB - Martinez - Shaw
Casemiro
Mount - Bruno
Antony - Kane - Rashford
To
Sweeper Keeper
RCB - Martinez
AWB - Casemiro - Shaw
Mount - Bruno
Kane
Antony - Rashford
AWB - CB - Martinez - Shaw
Casemiro
Mount - Bruno
Antony - Kane - Rashford
To
Sweeper Keeper
RCB - Martinez
AWB - Casemiro - Shaw
Mount - Bruno
Kane
Antony - Rashford
Casemiro plays as a CDM and a 3rd False CB.
Kane plays as a striker and an False 9.
Depending on who has the ball.
We should walk away from any further negations. I get fed up with clubs doing us over, either by paying too much or paying for players from such as Bayern Munich and Real Madrid who are clearly injury prone, Owen Hargreaves. Bastion Schweinsteiger, Rafael Varane. I would sooner go another two or three seasons using the youngsters we have and pick up the odd player at reasonable prices.
This is good from the club. Not debating now whether Mount is a perfect fit or not, but in terms of responding to that rejecting and "meeting in person" bs from Chelsea.
Feck off, the offer is still on the table if you wanna take it, but we ain't going higher.
Feck off, the offer is still on the table if you wanna take it, but we ain't going higher.
I know.
Read Ten Hag’s tactics at Utrecht in this web page.
https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/erik-ten-hag-ajax-champions-league/
Talks about 433 & 442 diamond.
EtH made it work because his CBs and fullbacks were better than his midfielders in the build up phase. Blind and Mazraoui were comfortable coming into central areas and with Martinez and.Timber also good on the ball along with the GK, the midfield wasn't relied on to progress the ball.
And he carried on playing the same style of football but without relying on his midfielders after the double midfield pivot of Schone and De Jong departed.
Lucky he handed the day to day control to Eghbali and the recruitment team then!
Looks like this Eghbali is even worse.
No no it is. I’m not questioning you. Like I’ve said I’ve seen Don Woodward do this with Pogba, Lingard etc. What happens is…… they leave for free and instead of 55£m you get 0.0£m. It’s the idiots guide to business and why United fans loved Ed Woodward.
Yeah we heard that before by Woodward too. We have a transfer committee and all that.
It was officially announced he stepped down from director role in January and any even semi reliable source has confirmed it's been Eghbali and the recruitment team taking control on the transfer side of things ever since.
Yeah. They also signed the whole of Brighton and their manager. But they aren’t looking Brighton’y.
I’m joking but it really doesn’t matter you are only as good as your owner and he’s a rubbish owner.
At this stage I’d focus on finalising Onana and trying to do a deal for Caicedo as I think Brighton are open to a deal as long as it’s realistic so probably £80 million and I doubt it’d be as difficult.
I’d then focus on a striker as Mount isn’t going anywhere and Chelsea need to sell, leave the final offer open whilst we start negotiations on a striker and wait for Chelsea to come to the negotiating table again rather than spend all summer dragging out a deal for Mount.
I’d then focus on a striker as Mount isn’t going anywhere and Chelsea need to sell, leave the final offer open whilst we start negotiations on a striker and wait for Chelsea to come to the negotiating table again rather than spend all summer dragging out a deal for Mount.
Mount’s value will simply depreciate as the summer window progresses, we should now prioritise other transfer targets and leave this one to the end and then tell Chelsea we can only afford £35m in August.
See this is the problem. Mount is 1st choice in this scenario (wrongly, I agree with you) so he's the premium product in ETHs eyes.
Why would we pay more for our second choice? If we wanted to spend £80m then we'd have Mount, our first choice target, and £10m change. It doesn't make sense why we'd pursue Caicedo when you follow logic, so I think it's a bollocks.
And just to clarify, Caicedo was my no. 1 target even last summer. Ahead of FdJ or Case. But if we want Mount, but are quibbling over price, then to pay more for Caicedo would be another clown show on our part.
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