Yeah I like him and expect he will get a senior call up soon much like Gibbs-White will
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Yeah I like him and expect he will get a senior call up soon much like Gibbs-White will
Yeah partner/cover for Case would be ideal, and if we could only get one, one of McT and Fred would probably stay. And United can return to Mount in the next summer
I also want to see us sign a midfielder who is comfortable working from a deeper role and help with the build up play against high pressing teams. But it seems like we're trying to get the Mount deal done early due to him wanting to join us over the likes of Liverpool and Arsenal. And also due to his ability in the middle and attacking third both with and without the ball and he's still only 24 years old.
I think Kante was physically superior to Caqueret where his speed and athleticism complimented his ability on the ball where he could control large spaces defensively and also contribute on the ball. I like Caqueret but it seems he's not dynamic enough for the way the EPL is currently heading where the top teams are getting more aggressive in their on the ball attacking in high lines and front foot defending.
I do think a deeper lying midfielder will be bought. I think the South American market will probably be tapped into with Jose Mayorga (South American scout) now in charge of the recruitment department with Simon Wells. There's players like Alan Varela (Boca Juniors) and Andre Trinidade (Fluminense) who look like interesting deep lying midfield options who we could take a chance on.
That's OK with me really. Weghorst was sought for a particular role and Antony is a player who seems to have bought into the overall long term development plan and wants to be here.
I was originally unenthused by Mount but the more I've seen, the more positive I've felt. Chelsea fans generally seem to rate him highly and it actually seems as though Mason wants to come here rather and regenerate his career rather than just for the £££ or to spite Chelsea management for overlooking him.
That's something that's been missing from a lot of transactions over the last decade, the desire to be here and then win. Really enjoyed the info and comments from the Chelsea mob on here BTW, been helpful!
I've given up mate..Need to stop hyping them up, you’ve probably got scouts nabbing your targets
We need more than one midfield profile,however my fear is we have to keep one of them
I see him as a Fred replacement tbh.
You look at how Fred was used last season. He was pretty much box2box, used to press and but he was licensed to get forward more than he's done previously. Mount will do that role, hes workout will help, as per Fred's, with the press but he's better passer and better going forward. So he'll play a similar role. Yeah he'll probably start more games than Eriksen, but i think when Eriksen plays won't be doing the same thing Mount does.
Are you saying we will sign a deeper lying midfielder this summer or did you mean next window as was a bit confused
James Westfall and Dr Kenneth Nosewater.
I think Chelsea is delaying everything until after July 1st for FFP. Wrapping up all the deals right now as the FFP numbers are right for the FFP closing window on June 30th. Some people are just really glued to the Twitter noise.
I think the club will sign a first phase midfielder in the current window.
I doubt we'd be able to get rid of both in a summer.
I'd be shocked if we could sell Fred for a fee, since he is in the last year of his contract. Anything we get for him would be a bonus.
No, we aren't. And Murtough has been in charge for one summer window so far, which makes your post even less relevant.
Yeah I can't see us selling both either
Presumably you mean along with Mount
Agreed. If we bow down to their demands now, it’ll set a precedence for other teams to pull our pants down time and time again.
Yes along with Mount.
Which ones better to keep though? That should be the question. I think Fred will attract more interest just because he’s Brazilian. No matter which one stays there gonna be a squad player at most anyway.
Fred gets more interest but McTominay would most likely get us more money
My only concern is still no cover for Casa,despite what people had said that's why I hoped we would sign Rabiot on a free
That's what he means by a first phase midfielder, someone who can pick the ball up from deeper.
Yeah still hoping we sign one,however suspect it will be the next window. Think this one is about Mount and cheap cover for Casa
Fred is a Brazil international playing for one of the best club sides in the world. If Chelsea can aim for £70m for Mount, surely even we can get £15m for Fred from someone?
Would make sense to sign Mount aswell as Rabiot like you’ve mentioned before. He’ll be the cover for Casa and can easily play alongside if Bruno or Mount need a rest. All in all though this window should mainly be about signing a top class ST and quality keeper that fits the managers style.
Rabiot looks off the table now,however Onana & Kane would be huge signings. I suspect it will be Hojlund/Kolo-Muani though
Ye looking most likely Hojlund. Not seen much links to us with the other guy. Ideally we’d like to sign Hojlund and Kane or Kane next season on a free if he doesn’t sign a new contract.
Only way we could have got both this summer was if new owners were already in place
If this is how ETh views Mount than I can imagine he’ll get 10 goals atleast, given how many chances Fred missed.
Not so sure, his club want Kane money for him and he’s still only a prospect. Might price us out of a deal - it be in a Antony situation whereby we have an awful lot of money invested into a player who doesn’t hit the ground running and instead takes time to adjust.
They aim for it, but they wont get it. They look like they will getting £60 mill. Ish. Look at it this way; if you think both players is worth zero at the age of 34 a value of £60 mill and £20 mill will give them a yearly value/cost of £6 mill and £5 mill. Considering the years between 24 and 32 are usually better than the years between 30 and 34 that difference should be bigger (assuming the players were equally good). I think £15 mill, as you say, would be fair for Fred.
But I also think Mount is higher rated. He is being linked to Arsenal, Liverpool, Bayern and Man Utd. Fred is linked to Fulham.
So maybe Kolo-Muani then
I have similar concerns but I think it's the clubs fault if things go bad for as they're not adding much value if they are just going to be told who to sign by ETH.
Your track record of signings you’ve hyped up that have lived up to the hype is bordering on psychic, you need to get someone to sign you up as a scout at this pointI've given up mate..
Move on to the next target. If Mount is committed to coming, sign him to a pre-contract in January.
We aren’t walking away even if we should
I agree we need to move on but we cannot do the January thing because he plays in the same league.
Hope we move on ASAP, Liverpool have already strengthened, same with Madrid, arsenal and City seem to have all but tied up havertz and kovacic and both teams making moves on rice. Let's not create a transfer saga over mount who is hardly going to transform us into to genuine title contenders
We're talking about 5%-10% on our highest priority signings, not £5m on every signing. I also reject the idea that other clubs don't do this, especially clubs in similar positions to ours. Chelsea with Fernandez. Liverpool with Nunez. City with Grealish. I expect Arsenal and Newcastle will start to do the same, now that they are looking at a higher bracket of player, to try and improve their team. Spurs tend not to overpay, but they also tend not to win anything.
I fail to see a world where we are £5m short for an elite striker, I'm sure there are measures we could take to get avoid this. My guess also is that we aren't getting Kane or Osimhen so we are probably compromising on our striker target already. So we should miss out on our first choice #8 (or whatever position he will play) so that we have £5m more to go after our 3rd, 4th, 5th choice striker?
I do wonder what people think happens when we "walk away" though. Teams won't start offering us better deals on their players. Our scouting doesn't improve. We don't suddenly become better at identifying good value deals before other clubs. The way to develop the reputation of being shrewd negotiators is to become shrewd negotiators and in order to do that we are going to need to walk away from a lot of deals and honestly change our entire transfer policy to going after mostly unproven players.
I'd be surprised if Caicedo is who we turn to if we don't get Mount. They're wildly different players, would require completely different tactical set ups and if we were that flexible about the type of #8 we wanted it would be odd not to prefer Caicedo from the start given he's a bigger talent.
It's more likely that we'd move on to some other player in the same attacking #8 mold as Mount, I would think.
Maybe, don’t know anything to comment though apart from a handful of WC minutes.
Wonder if the scouting dept is hiring?
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