I mean all teams do have a pre-agreement of terms with players even before the clubs have agreed a fee. You just agree it with the player a year in advance and can only have a “handshake” agreement till January when you can make it official.
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I mean all teams do have a pre-agreement of terms with players even before the clubs have agreed a fee. You just agree it with the player a year in advance and can only have a “handshake” agreement till January when you can make it official.
I never take any tweet I read as the truth...but ^this^ should be the correct approach, and now is the time to go to the 2nd/3rd player on the list and see if they are available for 40-45 million.
If so then great! if they are similarly going to ask for more money as well, then you weigh up the pros/cons of increasing the bid for Mount.
That's wrong on every level.
Richard Arnold is not the DOF.
They may be complete opposites but could they not compliment each other? Maybe the plan was to get both?
The start of the window was the greatest, I’ll admit, but I think it ended up as a good window, not groundbreaking by any means but good nonetheless.
We'd been in contact with Casemiro all Summer long. It just wasn't in the papers.
EDIT: It also worked out very well and he was one of our best players so it seems really bizarre to use that as an example of how we do things badly.
All those claiming we should leave it and get him for free next year.... Do you realise a free transfer typically comes with higher wages which then would have a domino effect on other potential signings because Mason Mount has gone from 150k per week if we sign him to nearer 300k per week because he's a freebie... Either way we are paying so may aswell get it done now, without the potential headache of new players saying "well MM is on such and such so should I."
Getting our wage bill under control is just as important in my opinion and stop dishing out ridiculous wages.
Getting our wage bill under control is just as important in my opinion and stop dishing out ridiculous wages.
It's due diligence to be in contact with other targets. If we go and sign Maddison this summer, there will no doubt be reports that we were in touch with him in the midst of Mount being our first choice target.
I think we're kidding ourselves if we think we were planning to sign FDJ and Casemiro.
I'm neither for or against the signing of Mount, personally. Think he's a good player, but there's also other good players out there, obviously.
However, since ETH wants him, and he's his #1 choice, then I'm hoping we do get him for that reason. I'm backing ETH to know what he's doing and to have made the right call opting for Mount ahead of others.
With that in mind, I'd prefer us sit down with Chelsea and agree a fee rather than walking away and giving ETH his second, third, fourth choice instead. I don't want us to 'overpay' when it comes to last minute panic buys. But I think it's OK to 'overpay' to land your first choice target - especially, like in this case, when we are talking somewhere between £5-10 million more than we've already been happy to bid.
There's times when it's right to make a statement, and times when it's biting your nose to spite your face. The Caicedo and Haaland disagreements with the agents, clauses, etc, were times when we should have carried on and got the player in my view rather than make a point. And this one - the reported fees are very close now, seems a strange time to give up on your first choice over a disagreement of a comparatively small amount of money.
However, since ETH wants him, and he's his #1 choice, then I'm hoping we do get him for that reason. I'm backing ETH to know what he's doing and to have made the right call opting for Mount ahead of others.
With that in mind, I'd prefer us sit down with Chelsea and agree a fee rather than walking away and giving ETH his second, third, fourth choice instead. I don't want us to 'overpay' when it comes to last minute panic buys. But I think it's OK to 'overpay' to land your first choice target - especially, like in this case, when we are talking somewhere between £5-10 million more than we've already been happy to bid.
There's times when it's right to make a statement, and times when it's biting your nose to spite your face. The Caicedo and Haaland disagreements with the agents, clauses, etc, were times when we should have carried on and got the player in my view rather than make a point. And this one - the reported fees are very close now, seems a strange time to give up on your first choice over a disagreement of a comparatively small amount of money.
Do you remember when clubs would pretend 'tapping up' was the worst thing in the world and no ever did it?
Sorry if my sarcasm comes across that way but it staggers me that a lot of posters on here, berate the club for no reason.
We moan we don’t get deals done early enough, the one year we seemingly are getting a couple players in before pre-season and that’s not good enough either.
They slate the club and say things with their chest about how inept and poor we are and then act surprised when stuff seemingly goes south.
Take this Mount deal as a prime example.We’re shite for paying over the odds or what they want. We’re also mugs for not getting the deal done for less than what they want. It makes no sense.
The funny one is not selling our players for a high amount. #1 we need a buying club first snd foremost and seemingly no one wants our players. #2 we slap a price tag on them that no one wants to pay (sound familiar? Mount?) & then the club gets shit on yet again for accepting or lower more acceptable fee?!!
Like the club literally cannot win and it grinds my gears that no matter what the club does, the majority is still not happy.
Like I know we’re not the best run club in the world but they definitely plan all throughout the year, they don’t just spend a few hours in the off season scouting players on YouTube and then go and get them. To blame poor planning is just a way of digging the club out for no reason. Lots goes on behind the scenes we know nothing about.
Style difference was explained at the time. FDJ was so unique that any other player would be a change in style.
No the window was a complete mess and I’ve given multiple reasons why. Not sure why you’re arguing otherwise. Amateur hour as usual at United.
There’s always something that I can use to back up my pointYou have everything saved in your drafts don’t you?
No but that's not the criticism here. It's the claim it was a purely opportunistic panic buy when in reality we had Casemiro lined up but FDJ was the first choice. Yes they're different players but ten Hag would have played FDJ as the deepest midfielder.
Maybe we would have gone for a cheaper option than Antony if FDJ went through. Or just went without.
Oh please, it was not a mess.
If Mount is as desperate to join us as Romano and co claim he is, you would imagine he isn't going to be putting huge barriers in the way of making that move happen. Mount will be able to see that we've given it a good go this summer and if a deal fails to materialise, it's due to Chelsea's unreasonable valuation of him.
There are ways around offering bigger wages in that scenario anyway. A larger signing on fee could be the sweetener if he needs one and saves the club from having to pay him a stupid amount over the duration of that contract and beyond.
Fair enough, I agree it definitely wasn't purely opportunistic panic buy. Probably just held onto the idea of getting FDJ for too long though.
He's like a united Baghdad Bob. Everything is fine, all of the time.
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It was a farce but that’s the standard of our transfer windows it’s becoming the norm.
Even if I agree with you that Casamiro was a long term target the fact we got him in so late in itself is a failure. Anthony is the best one, he was available for a reported 65m early in the window but we didn’t do the deal and ended up paying a lot more because Ajax had already sold so many players, it’s up their with Fellaini it’s about as comical as it gets.
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It was a farce but that’s the standard of our transfer windows it’s becoming the norm.
Even if I agree with you that Casamiro was a long term target the fact we got him in so late in itself is a failure. Anthony is the best one, he was available for a reported 65m early in the window but we didn’t do the deal and ended up paying a lot more because Ajax had already sold so many players, it’s up their with Fellaini it’s about as comical as it gets.
The problem has never been that we don't have alternate choices. The problem has always been we wait until the very last minute to move on to them.
We certainly played the long game last summer with FDJ. Who was the alternate for him? Case? I'm pretty sure we were signing Eriksen regardless but I don't recall the timing of when we approached Case.
Anyway, maybe we have learned something and are moving on from Mount sooner but I won't hold my breath.
This is going to be our 'big summer saga' isn't it? We'll chase him all summer finally getting him for the price that Chelsea are demanding and then add one more signing right at the end...and that'll be it
De Jong was just an example. He, like Mount, appeared to be our primary target, or at least the first player we were publicly in for. Replace him with Fabregas, Vidal, Sancho, Kane, Onana, Kim Min-Jae. The point I'm making is, if we were 5% away from one of our priority targets, the responses wouldn't be "walk away". With Mount there appears to be something the fans are put off by. The contract situation, which is the only reason this deal is even possible, appears to be hurting the fans reception of the transfer.
The negotiations haven't been perfect. I don't really agree that us paying an extra £5m for Mount will significantly drive up the prices of all future transfers. I think we are already paying a hefty premium on most transfers anyway. But by making the "take it or leave it" offer, we've created a situation where if we pay £50m + £6m then we've "lost" the transfer. We're signing one of Chelsea's prized possessions and have somehow turned that into a negative. If they'd came in and signed Rashford, I don't think our fans would be counting that as a win under any circumstances.
I think Chelsea will ask that United restructure the deal and ask for more money up front. It should resolve with Mount joining United, it wouldn’t go this far with the deal to suddenly collapse.
That’s the approach the scousers have taken since klopp came in, Salah wasn’t there first option.
It was a farce but that’s the standard of our transfer windows it’s becoming the norm.
Even if I agree with you that Casamiro was a long term target the fact we got him in so late in itself is a failure. Anthony is the best one, he was available for a reported 65m early in the window but we didn’t do the deal and ended up paying a lot more because Ajax had already sold so many players, it’s up their with Fellaini it’s about as comical as it gets.
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Antony was definitely a purchase where we needlessly paid more because it was so late in the window. Think EtH wanted Gakpo more and Gakpo dithered on his decision to move and by that point it was too late and we moved on to Antony.
Inventing things just for the sake of being negative. The caf way
It morally right to leave that to his wife.
Difference is in this scenario, Mount is really pushing for the move so I can see this finding some sort of resolution next week
I said we always are. Which we are. It’s irrefutable
Imagine being chelsea and rejecting a 55m bid for a guy who will be out of contract, only for us to turn around and bid for THEIR top midfield target.
We're pretty fecking poorly run, but boehly and co. really take the mantle of being idiots in the transfer market.
I'd be more than happy for us to splash the cash on Caicedo and then sign Mount on a pre contract in January. We've actually been forced into making a shrewd transfer for once.
We're pretty fecking poorly run, but boehly and co. really take the mantle of being idiots in the transfer market.
I'd be more than happy for us to splash the cash on Caicedo and then sign Mount on a pre contract in January. We've actually been forced into making a shrewd transfer for once.
Would likely involve a bigger signing on fee than bigger wages. If he is intent on joining United, we hold all the cards.
Sign him now for a reasonable fee or take him for free next summer. Madness if we are paying more than the quoted rejected bid.
I think if he doesnt move this month, it's very possible that Man United fill up whatever space they had for him and he extends his contract.
The contract situation isn't the only factor at play though. We're also operating within a tight budget in a summer where we need to sign quite a few players. If we overspend on Mount, that has direct consequences on which striker we can sign later in the window.
In the grand scheme I'm sure we can afford to pay it but it's not as simple as saying that it's only £5m. It's actually a £20m increase on the original offer if we did cave, in a situation where we hold all the cards. If we're prepared to take that kind of hit on every transfer this summer just because the selling team is being awkward, that accumulates very quickly. If we signed 5 players and did that for all of them, that's £25m just by virtue of being poor negotiators.
If Chelsea don't play ball after we amend the structure of the payments, we'd be absolutely right to move on. The player can then see we've exhausted all options to make the deal happen and so will the manager. Even if Mount is a key target for ten Hag, he'll be acutely aware that we're operating within a restricted budget. We can't continue to push those thresholds for the sake of one player. This is how most normal clubs operate, we're just so used to paying stupid fees for players that our fanbase has become desensitised to it.
I can almost guarantee you that, that won’t happen. Mount wants out.
Ok, and what happens to our squad? How do we improve?
We need players, not just to be 'linked' to players.. we need actual signings, done and dusted. Havertz is not worth the money, but the Gunners get it done, and he will be a good signing for them.
Far too much 'we are Man Utd' posturing and where are we? Still stuck with Fred and SMT. No forwards. And who have we let go? Who is interested in Maguire, Martial. Sancho? Who?
Tell me, what has changed?
The whole thing just shows why so many clubs were F’d off with them recently. Who rejects a bid to come back 58+7
“So we understand you said you aren’t spending over 60m. But we really want 65m. So look.. 58 is below 60 and with the add ons we agreed, we can round that up to get us to 65m”
This. And then in November we „wonder“ why we are 7th.
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