I imagine he had a lot of offers
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Naive to believe their initial valuation. You always state you want more than you actually want. Same as when you start lower than you are actually willing to pay. This way you can climb down and climb up respectively.
The thing is, £60 million for a by and large average player in the last year of his contract, who is pushing for the move, no other bidders, and a club needing to sell, is ridiculous and extremely amateurish. Even £50M is too much. Wouldn't at all surprise me if the internal expectation at Chelsea is around £60 - £65 million, given how quickly they climbed down. Naturally, I fully expect us to dance to their tune.
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This. I have a feeling it will end extremely negative if we bend over now.
This. I have a feeling it will end extremely negative if we bend over now.
I think Dortmund handle transfers differently. They get access to young talents because they agree to sell soon and for not much money. I think there must be clauses in contracts of their players to let them leave for a set fee.
fecking hell "walk away" and "no one is bidding" is dominating this thread.
We are a 10mn valuation difference away. Reckon this gets done next week for 55+5mn deal.
Funny how everyone bitching that United will bent over but conveniently leaves out more positive reports.
Fecking tiring
De Jong was a different situation in that he fit like a glove in terms of what we needed from a midfielder, and we actually agreed an initial fee for him which was less than what Chelsea are asking for Mount with a year left on his contract.
The crux of it is that Chelsea are taking the piss with their valuation of Mount. In no world is a player like Mount worth £80m or £70m, never mind when he has a year left on his contract and agitating to leave. We've already come up £15m on our original offer and we don't have an unlimited budget, it's not smart business to increase the bid again. We've already made a very generous offer given Mount's situation so any concessions made on this deal have to come from Chelsea now.
It's also worth noting that this is the first deal we are doing this summer. Do as Chelsea ask and we're inviting every other club we do business with this summer to continue extorting us. You can't brief that you're making your last bid for a player, up the offer again and then expect other clubs to take you seriously in negotiations.
It is amazing how many posters said he is rubbish in the beginning of the thread 4 months ago and now the same posters saying he is a great player, even BY FAR better than macallister .. I remember when Newcastle played brighton and he wasn’t in the lineup it gave us a huge boost. On the other hand when mount benched against us in the last game of the season- no one even noticed. Mount is average at best and is not worth more than 20m regardless his contract situation
Yes best would be to snare Caicedo, who Chelsea want, and get Mount next year anyways.
The thing that bothers me is how much of the process has been splashed over the sports media, it just doesn't seem necessary? Most of the reports from UK journos have read like pretty obvious club briefs.
I'm inclined to believe the reports are true, that Utd are willing to talk about fine details in structuring, but that they won't raise the offer.
I'm inclined to believe the reports are true, that Utd are willing to talk about fine details in structuring, but that they won't raise the offer.
Walk away. Use the money for Caicedo. Promise Mount we'll be back for him next season with a sizeable amount of signing on fee.
I was okay with this transfer if it didn't cost too much because it's clear Mount and ETH wants it to happen, but if we're having to spend upwards of 60m++, we should walk away and not finance Chelsea's Caicedo bid.
I was okay with this transfer if it didn't cost too much because it's clear Mount and ETH wants it to happen, but if we're having to spend upwards of 60m++, we should walk away and not finance Chelsea's Caicedo bid.
Caicedo cost around 80m to 100m with reports saying Brighton want 60-70m upfront.
Nobody but Chelsea will pay that.
They want 58m plus 7 in add ons. We’re mugs if we go back in with that offer since we said we wasn’t gonna go above 55m. Let’s see shall we…
This makes it easier for us to move on to other targets whilst Mount continues to fight to move to us, it’s good to see someone who actually WANTS to play for us.
If we move fast then there’s no reason we can’t get Rice, we have players in Maguire and McTominay that West Ham want so have strong negotiation tactics.
I agree he's more expensive, but then we can get Mount for free* next year.
*May have to pay a big sign on bonus but will still offset a huge chunk of Caicedo transfer
Chelsea will sign Caicedo no matter what. I don’t get why people think we’re helping them out. They’re getting 65m for havertz. Kante has left, Koulibaly has left… they’ll have money for him wether they sell Mount or not.
No people are right. They can’t buy Caicedo without the Mount money. You are mentioning players that they have overall made a loss on their books.
Mount is full profit.
But the cash upfront plays into our striker budget which is the whole point of us doing that we are currently doing and why we can’t just go for Declan Rice.
Fair point. There's a juggling act in play for sure.
I don't believe even Chelsea would pay that to be honest , Big If when Rice goes for above 100 m which seems likely now then I could see a scenario where Brighton price Caicedo out of the move as I don't believe Clubs are as Keen on Caicedo as some of the fans are at the moment to go absolute bonkers for him
Unless Caicedo's new contract has some sort of get out clause I think he would still be at Brighton come end of the transfer window .
Feel like even 55mil is too much but if that has been rejected let mount know we’ll be back in January to organise the contract for the summer if we don’t have any other options.
If they started negotiations at £80m they were obviously expecting less than that as its a negotiation, we started at £40m and have now made a 3rd and final offer so if we bid more now we're overpaying. With only 1 year left on his contract Chelsea don't hold all the power
Ye but 65m for havertz and 30m for Kovacic will be enough to sign Caicedo. And they’ll still probably sell Mount to us eventually. They want more then just Caicedo so the Mount money could be funding them to sign someone els.
Yes we can buy Caicedo without selling Mount. We have others we can sell like RLC or Chalobah who Inter Milan wants. Mount might extend if Poch plays him well.
You forget the 20 other players they bought last year that has to be balanced?
Kovacic cost them £40m and Havertz I’m sure cost them £75m. They will have to offset the remaining cost off what the buying clubs have paid for them. Not sure if this is exactly how it works but it’s very similar to what I’m saying. That all said selling these players doesn’t give them enough money to spend £80m on Caicedo.
They need the Mount deal to go through and the more they can get for Mount the more they can legitimately spend this summer.
Mount ain’t signing a new contract he’s leaving for us.
Can you sell those players you mentioned by next Friday for the fees you wanted to Italian clubs? Good luck.
I think it will get done for £55m, but perhaps there won't be any addons included or a much bigger first installment of the guaranteed fee. That would at least limit the damage of us looking like we've been fleeced but also will benefit Chelsea.
A higher overall valuation and it looks like we're still easy to squeeze.
A higher overall valuation and it looks like we're still easy to squeeze.
If he leaves on a free then you're up against all the top clubs for his signature. He's Bayern bound if Tuchel is still there.
Also, is Ten Hag going to wait a year? Whatever role he has in mind for Mount will surely be filled by someone else this summer.
He wouldn't easily get into their starting lineup though. He would here and he has friends in United, plus he gets to stay in England.
We need to hold firm here, which it sounds like we are going to, we're already offering crazy money for a player, who isn't that good in the final year of his contract. If Mount is set on coming, then simply park it, leave the offer where it is and move on to other targets in other areas. Let's see how much fuss Mount will kick up if really wants to come here.
If Chelsea don't change their stance then leave it 12 months and take him for free.
If Chelsea don't change their stance then leave it 12 months and take him for free.
All a bit of a joke... City, Liverpool do their business efficiently and quietly. Our transfers, however, occasionally become drawn out dramas. This should not be a two-week negotiation ffs... we pay how much for Sancho and Antony, and we don't want to spend £60m for Mount?
We have little choice, just get this done. And for those who say walk away, just look at our squad. Look at it. What has changed? Pre-season starts in a few weeks.
Club needs to sort itself out, its administration is embarrassing. And it's affecting work to improve the squad. I'm fed up with it. Just sign the player, he wants to play for Manchester United and he's a very good player.
We have little choice, just get this done. And for those who say walk away, just look at our squad. Look at it. What has changed? Pre-season starts in a few weeks.
Club needs to sort itself out, its administration is embarrassing. And it's affecting work to improve the squad. I'm fed up with it. Just sign the player, he wants to play for Manchester United and he's a very good player.
We'll so very obviously just pay what Chelsea want for him. Chelsea know it. Everyone knows it. We do the same thing every year 
Tell Chelsea to go feck themselves. Hopefully we move on and sign Caicedo then get Mount on a free next year, really feck them over for being greedy bastards.
The reported alternative for Mount was Caicedo. If there's any truth in that you could easily envisage a scenario where we returned for Mount next summer, as those two players are very different in profile.
United aren't the ones who should be worrying about that though. If we're able to spend the money more wisely this summer, it's largely immaterial whether we sign Mount at all. If he's prepared to wait it out and sign on a free next year, great. If not, there are other players out there who won't come with such a premium.
Just walk away ffs, he’s not even worth half of what they’re asking.
That's like buying a pair of shoes because you can't afford a jacket.
I still think this will get done - we will dress it up as some minor change to the structure of the deal.
At the end of the day, Ten Hag really wants Mount, Mount wants to come and Chelsea need that money to fund Caicedo.
At the end of the day, Ten Hag really wants Mount, Mount wants to come and Chelsea need that money to fund Caicedo.
Because he played under Poch. Football is littered with players wanting to leave under previous regime only to change their minds when a new managers comes in. Mount has been at Chelsea since 6 years old and there is definitely an affinity. If he becomes a valuable clog in Poch system he will definitely sign United or Real Madrid.
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