Didn't have Been Chilwell announcing the transfer to Martin Brundle on my bingo card haha
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The issue is that one side look at how he was mainly used while others look at his core attributes. One will lead you to think that he is only an attacking midfielder with excellent workrate while the other will lead you to believe that he has most of the tools to be a traditional #8 if he improves his positioning and is less adventurous off the ball.
An example of that for me was Matuidi, until Ancelotti coached him I was convinced that he was a subpar DM because that's the role he was given but Ancelotti told him to improve his touch and pass to a decent standard because he believed that Matuidi's actual best role was as a box to box. And Ancelotti was right.
^^^ Is Denis Zakaria in that list THE Denis Zakaria that Cafetards touted as the next Roy Keane+Vieira incarnations?
I might be exaggerating a bit here...
I might be exaggerating a bit here...
Hardly a dismissal, him saying nothing said more in all honesty. Ladies and gentleman, we got him.
Ok I thought you mean Mount is not good enough in those. Anyway, my point being Mount would be an immediately upgrade from Eriksen/Fred, hence an improvement to our squad.
It's not just that. Other Chelsea fan made lot of posts saying how Mount is 10 only on paper, he was playing like proper midfielder, receiving passes in deeper areas and linking play.
2 posts with very different takes.
That is actually a wild take. He’s like the perfect squad player. Plays multiple positions across the backline and DM to a decent level. In would hate to lose him. He can be error prone at times but he starts a game like once every 4 weeks or so. Every time he’s given a run of starts he’s always one of our most reliable players. Inter have been chasing him for like 18 months now.
Basically what I tried to say a few days ago.
Was his most effective season (with loads of goal contributions) that one where you won the CL? I seem to recall him playing very close to Werner around that time
Only think I can think (if the interest is true) is that he wants to change the way they play and maybe have 2 cm’s behind Mount and Fernandes. But then Antony, Sancho, Garnacho etc don’t fit right
Doesn’t make sense to me really. Still think he stays after talks with Pochettino and more money on the table
Good player, have nothing against his transfer.
However, if he is going to make starting lineup alongside Bruno, we have to be much more compact as a unit and be faster in our defensive transitions - Casemiro is not dynamic enough to cover for those guys.
However, if he is going to make starting lineup alongside Bruno, we have to be much more compact as a unit and be faster in our defensive transitions - Casemiro is not dynamic enough to cover for those guys.
I don't think that the views are that different. Orc said that he was an attacking midfielder which is correct if you look at how he has been used, he has been used as an attacking #8 or as a Mezzala. The other Chelsea fans mainly described him as playing in the half space between the DM-10 and winger-10 which is true, some will describe that as an attacking midfielders while others won't.
The way he plays isn't something common, maybe Perrotta would be an example? And someone like Perrotta could easily be described as an attacking midfielder, a 10 or a box to box depending on how his coach deployed him. These players are just confusing.
My point being that both vision from Chelsea fans are to some extent true.
I understand there are various reasons why Chelsea are happy to sell but really there are two key questions:
(1) What is the lowest fee Chelsea would accept to avoid Mount running his contract down and going for nothing?
(2) What is the lowest price at which there is only one remaining bidder?
Sum of money (2) will be the sale price as long as it is higher than sum of money (1). If Sum (2) is lower than (1), he’ll stay at Chelsea.
Simplistic but true, in essence.
At his best, Mount was up there pressing opposing CB’s and deeper midfielders. Even popping up as a winger sometimes (which Chelsea fans never much cared for, tbh). He’s almost a pure attacking midfielder. He CAN pop up in slightly deeper areas because he’s a hard worker and good athlete but that’s not his position.
Fair enough, maybe the reason why coaches liked him, him offering that tactical flexibility.
Still not sure how to rate this transfer, some very convincing posts, stats and analysis but the few games i watched him, he looked ok player.
@roonster09 another Chelsea fan who disagrees that Mount is a No.8 and questions the idea of playing him alongside Bruno in a three.
I've been very vocal that I think in the short term he's been brought to get a nulk of the minutes that went to Sabitzer and Sancho as he's very adaptable in the three positions behind the striker. Long term though I see him as the Bruno replacement.
Edit - seen you beat me to it and have seen the difference in opinion regarding Mount.
Odd post this. Liverpool don’t play with a 10 or attacking midfielder so he’d be playing in the exact same position for them as he would for us
Would we expect any other response from him?
I don't know how to rate it myself. The only thing that I assume is that the answer to why he would be a target is his toolbox more than a specific role or position that he has played in the past.
Yeah I was expecting him to take off his shirt and show us his new tattoo reading “take that Chelsea, United are giving me 250 k”.
If the idea is to play a midfield 3 of Casemiro, Mount, and Bruno I think you get away with it fine against teams you’re clearly superior to and can completely dominate the run of play. But again, I think defensively and especially in quick transitions I think it would be carved through by top teams.
Yeah that might be the case.
Also few people whose opinion i usually rate talks about him very highly, like I said i didn't see all that when I watched. But then you see lot of coaches good and bad rated him highly and played him almost all the time, then managers like EtH, Klopp, Arteta wanted him. So I'm open to the idea that i might be completely wrong about the player and didn't focus on him much.
Just have to hope the money we spend is worth it. Also we should add a player who can offer physicality, someone like Rabiot. I think Bruno, Mount, Case might be light weight in midfield.
Does this have any bearing on our de jong pursuit?
Is Mount an alternative to de jong who'd actually be obtainable and willing to come?
Is Mount an alternative to de jong who'd actually be obtainable and willing to come?
De Jong is an absolute non-starter, he's a staple in a title winning Barca side. He'll be there until they physically drag him iut of there
Can see that myself. Especially with at least three out of Sabitzer, McTominay, van de Beek and Fred likely departing.
I'm sorry for mentioning himFFS
I am on the fence about this transfer just as much as the next guy, but saying he isn't a CM because he never plays there doesn't say a lot. Valencia was never a RB, yet he did a good job there. Shaw was never a CB yet did terrific. ETH wanted this guy since his Vitesse loan spell and he will play in a much different system than Tuchel or Lampard use, especially if he plans on playing him in a 433.
Maybe ETH wants to play like Tuchel but hopefully less defensive. It would help in big games and cups (like being compact and not conceding in the 1st minute) but in the league Tuchel’s Chelsea too often lacked creativity and were not brave enough (at least not enough to challenge for the league). However he did beat Pep in the FA Cup and CL that season (plus in the league game).
If we pay big money for Mount I despair.
The same Jason Burt that said we were bidding €50m for Gakpo in December? We probably will but I highly doubt he knows anything.
50m should be the absolute max we offer
Should have in by midnight 31st of August.
I'm really not that well informed on Mount as a player, although i've always thought he was disappointing in the 10 role for England, but Bruno has occupied the right wing and occasionally the deeper central midfield option for United and it has worked at times despite a lot of our fans getting very angry about it. Perhaps in the bigger games it will be something like
Casemiro Rabiot (a big if obviously)
Bruno Mount Rashford
New striker
I'm guessing Mount can also play on the wings? He can't be any worse there than Sancho at the moment?
Considering the contract situation, anything over £50m for Mount is crazy and somewhere to walk away from for me. In his best spells, he was a £70-80m signing considering crazy premiership fees. But he has a year left and hasnt played for ages, he should be around £40-45m.
We dont know where Ten Hag plans to use him, regardless of whether it is an 8 or 10 or somewhere else, there a quite a few players around Europe, the same age or younger with similar ability and skill sets and not one of them would cost close to £50m I woul dhave thought. Nobody shoul dpa over £50m, just give a take it or leave it as they are forced to sell, they wont keep him an dlet him run his contract run down.
This is gong to be another of those instances we massively over pay on a player regardless of how good they are or arent and fit into our side. We did it last year and it affeced our window in goin gfor free signings and not making a couple more we should have done. I dont think it happens with Kane, neither should it. But £60-65m I see happening on Mount and that to me isnt a really good signing at a good value which we need to make in all our signings this summer if we are going to buy as many as we should be
I'm whelmed
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