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dinostar77 said:
Neither of them will help you control possession. They arent mobile number 8s to pass and probe, thats not their roles. Both bring energy to a midfield, but more in a casemiro role.
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Both of them are also far safer in possession than any of our current midfield 3, as well as Mount if he were to come. We'd be signficantly better at keeping the ball with one of Caicedo or Ugarte in there. Casemiro, Fernandes, Eriksen and Mount are all high risk/high reward passers, which inevitably means you'll often lose the ball with them in the team.
 
I’m warming to the idea of getting him in for a reasonable fee, based purely on the fact that he has legs. We really need someone that can run and is a decent passer. Even Casemiro seemed very heavy yesterday.
 
My only crumb of comfort if this transfer happens will be the fun I get going through people's post histories about Mount where they called him a Championship player and publicly shaming them for their wrongness.

Yes, I am that guy.
 
Young, decent tekkerz and an engine? Sign him up, if it means not having to see Fred or McTominay ever again.
 
I'm not against this move in general but if we pay the 70m that Chelsea want and 250k per week what apparently is his demand, we are mental.
 
aeh1991 said:
I'm not against this move in general but if we pay the 70m that Chelsea want and 250k per week what apparently is his demand, we are mental.
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That is the issue. We need players that make a difference. We must stop spending over the odds for average overrated players.

My worry is we think Wout Weghorst is good enough. Granted he was a panic signing. But we cannot keep operating in panic buy mode season after season.

Remember Arnautovic? We didn't pursue due to the outcry. But we would have been far better off with him than Weghorst. And that really isn't saying a lot.
 
CM10 said:
Both of them are also far safer in possession than any of our current midfield 3, as well as Mount if he were to come. We'd be signficantly better at keeping the ball with one of Caicedo or Ugarte in there. Casemiro, Fernandes, Eriksen and Mount are all high risk/high reward passers, which inevitably means you'll often lose the ball with them in the team.
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Exactly what you need to break down a stubborn defence or a team sitting deep with a low block.

Caicedo and ugarte arent creative midfielders thats not their role.
 
CM10 said:
I really can't get over this idea of us using Casemiro as the sole midfielder with Fernandes and Mount pushing up. It might be what Ten Hag wants but it seems fundamentally wrong. We've been screaming out for a bit of control in midfield for the majority of the season and now we're doubling down on the gung ho midfield with Mount in place of Eriksen. Not only that but we're going to have to pay stupid money for the privilege, with a player who will be out of contract next summer.

Even more frustrating when there are players like Caicedo and Ugarte who will be readily available this summer and we're seemingly ignoring them.
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For me it’s the fact that Ten Hag was so hot on Frenkie de Jong (the perfect midfield profile this team lacks) for an entire summer, and then start targeting players who don’t play the same style of football. I really can’t see what we’re trying to do here to become a side to retain possession in central areas of the field, and no amount of Tifu video’s will prove otherwise.
 
Really hope this does not prove to be another expensive mistake from the club. We don't want another Maguire, Wan-Bissaka situation. I really don't understand the valuation considering he's got only one year left on his contract. I would take him on a free, to spend actual money on him is baffling.
 
aeh1991 said:
I'm not against this move in general but if we pay the 70m that Chelsea want and 250k per week what apparently is his demand, we are mental.
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Agree. He's got 1 year left on his contract, surely 50M is maximum.
 
dinostar77 said:
Exactly what you need to break down a stubborn defence or a team sitting deep with a low block.

Caicedo and ugarte arent creative midfielders thats not their role.
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Chance creation isn't the main problem with this team. Caicedo is capable of making progressive passes anyway, Ugarte maybe less so.

Our biggest problem in midfield is how often we get dominated. That's why our away record this season is so poor, that's why we got pumped away to Brentford, City and Liverpool this season. That's why Brighton outplayed us 3 times this season. Mount does nothing to change any of those things.

If we want to go Casemiro, Fernandes, Eriksen at home to the lesser teams that's fine. We need different options though, and the lack of variety in our midfield options has cost us dearly this season. We need to be far more proficient defensively and more careful in how we use the ball in certain games. A part of that will hopefully improve if we feck De Gea off but that in isolation won't be enough.
 
DWelbz19 said:
For me it’s the fact that Ten Hag was so hot on Frenkie de Jong (the perfect midfield profile this team lacks) for an entire summer, and then start targeting players who don’t play the same style of football. I really can’t see what we’re trying to do here to become a side to retain possession in central areas of the field, and no amount of Tifu video’s will prove otherwise.
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I do wish we targeted a similar profile despite how highly Casemiro is rated on here.

He's been a huge help this season, but I don't like him being our deepest midfielder during the build-up phases.

Hopefully ETH has a clear plan to get us better at retaining possession, because our ceiling will always be limited if we're purely a transition team vs the best teams.
 
With the rumours of Amrabat growing quite strong, him and Mount added to our midfield options would be a massive upgrade. I think I'm more comfortable with overpaying knowing that our other option will be a lot cheaper.
 
Lash said:
With the rumours of Amrabat growing quite strong, him and Mount added to our midfield options would be a massive upgrade. I think I'm more comfortable with overpaying knowing that our other option will be a lot cheaper.
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& Rabiot on a free too
 
While I get why people state that the price should be directly linked to the length of the contract, it's not actually correct, the fact that he only has one year left gives you a legitimate chance to lower the price that Chelsea would ideally want and nothing else. At the end of the day the price of a player is largely based on three things:

- How much all parties want to have the player under contract.
- How highly all parties rate the player.
- How many parties are actually involved.

The last one can be sneaky because people look at the contract situation and conclude that the player could be signed for free in January but there is a serious chance that the absence of a barriers to entry of 50m-60m adds serious competition in January, the player could also simply extend due to new circumstances, which brings us back to the first point, if you genuinely rate a player try to lower the price but don't consider that you are entitled to a discount.

And I'm saying that as someone that absolutely agree with the idea that we should try to exploit contract situations in the transfer market but there is a limit to it. At the end of the day a good footballer can be more productive than the extra 15m-20m that you refused to pay.
 
prateik said:
We can register 17 non home grown players... currently we have
  1. De Gea
  2. Lindelof
  3. Martinez
  4. Varane
  5. Malacia
  6. Dalot
  7. Bruno
  8. Eriksen
  9. Fred
  10. Casemiro
  11. Amad/Facundo
  12. Martial
  13. Antony
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Correct, and not a problem if we replace non-home grown with the same. It's an issue if we lose players like McT and aren't replacing them with home-grown, especially if we are looking for more depth in the squad. Three of our minimum 8 home-grown out of the 25 are keepers (Heaton, Butland, Bishop). Amad and Pellistri don't count as part of the 25 at the moment, although I presume that changes next season for Pellistri if he's still here and not on loan.
 
prateik said:
We can register 17 non home grown players... currently we have
  1. De Gea
  2. Lindelof
  3. Martinez
  4. Varane
  5. Malacia
  6. Dalot
  7. Bruno
  8. Eriksen
  9. Fred
  10. Casemiro
  11. Amad/Facundo
  12. Martial
  13. Antony
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You forgot Van De Beek. Also Bailly and Telles are returning, and unless we get a buyer or can send them on loan, they will be getting registered.
 
RedRonaldo said:
What do you mean? Mount is actually very good in passing and pretty decent in ball playing. Here's his passing/ball playing stats from 20-22:

20/21:
pass %: 86.5%
key pass per game: 2.4
assist: 9
progressive pass: 7.26 (90%)
progressive carries: 4.08 (96%)
Shot creating action: 5.26 (99%)

21/22:
pass %: 85.4%
key pass per game: 1.8
assist: 16
progressive pass: 6.25 (93%)
progressive carries: 3.50 (66%)
Shot creating action: 4.53 (87%)

And here's Eriksen stats this season:

22/23
pass %: 84.6%
key pass per game: 1.2
assist: 11
progressive pass: 7.21 (89%)
progressive carries: 1.01 (41%)
Shot creating action: 3.12 (71%)

Mount's passing/ball playing stats from 20-22 are actually even better than Eriksen this season, beats him in every criteria there.
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Eriksen is an absolute liability. The guy's completely finished. Please go back and watch the final and just watch Eriksen all game. He did nothing, zero. It was like we were playing with 10 men. It was like he was pretending to play football. "Ball playin". I remember him doing 5 things all game. Twice he fell over, maybe twice he made a successful pass to the guy right next to him and once one out wide to I think Bruno on the wing. The worst part is he pretends closing people down. He just pretends. Once he gets close he backs out. He was just running in a circle in midfield the whole game.
 
Anyone watching Sky’s F1 coverage just saw Martin Brundle point blank ask him about going to United, to which he laughed and waived it off.
 
As a Chelsea fan who has watched every game he’s played closely I’m reading this thread and thinking a lot of you United fans have the wrong idea of how he is most effectively utilized. He is not a CM at all really and didn’t ever really play there for us other than in emergency situations. He is an advanced midfielder who plays almost exclusively in the classic #10 area of the pitch. He’s not a #8. He‘s someone who often initiated our pressing game under Lamps and Tuchel. That’s how high up the pitch he was.

So with all that in mind I really don’t see how you play Mount and Bruno together since they occupy similar areas. Moving Mount deeper into a midfield 2 with Casemiro is a really bad idea, imo, and you’ll get overrun in there against top teams.

For me it made WAY more sense when Mase was linked with Klopp and Liverpool. Think he would’ve fit their aggressive pressing, high tempo attacking better.
 
Orc said:
As a Chelsea fan who has watched every game he’s played closely I’m reading this thread and thinking a lot of you United fans have the wrong idea of how he is most effectively utilized. He is not a CM at all really and didn’t ever really play there for us other than in emergency situations. He is an advanced midfielder who plays almost exclusively in the classic #10 area of the pitch. He’s not a #8. He‘s someone who often initiated our pressing game under Lamps and Tuchel. That’s how high up the pitch he was.

So with all that in mind I really don’t see how you play Mount and Bruno together since they occupy similar areas. Moving Mount deeper into a midfield 2 with Casemiro is a really bad idea, imo, and you’ll get overrun in there against top teams.

For me it made WAY more sense when Mase was linked with Klopp and Liverpool. Think he would’ve fit their aggressive pressing, high tempo attacking better.
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I really hope the deal falls through..
 
JPRouve said:
While I get why people state that the price should be directly linked to the length of the contract, it's not actually correct, the fact that he only has one year left gives you a legitimate chance to lower the price that Chelsea would ideally want and nothing else. At the end of the day the price of a player is largely based on three things:

- How much all parties want to have the player under contract.
- How highly all parties rate the player.
- How many parties are actually involved.

The last one can be sneaky because people look at the contract situation and conclude that the player could be signed for free in January but there is a serious chance that the absence of a barriers to entry of 50m-60m adds serious competition in January, the player could also simply extend due to new circumstances, which brings us back to the first point, if you genuinely rate a player try to lower the price but don't consider that you are entitled to a discount.

And I'm saying that as someone that absolutely agree with the idea that we should try to exploit contract situations in the transfer market but there is a limit to it. At the end of the day a good footballer can be more productive than the extra 15m-20m that you refused to pay.
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Player sales are (usually) a form of auction. All things being equal, the player will be sold to the highest bidder.

The better the player (taking into account age, potential, likely resale prospects etc), the more clubs will be interested and will bid the price up (depending on their need, cost of alternatives, other demands on their budget etc), until one club is left making the best bid.

The shorter the remaining contract, the more willing the selling club is to do a deal and this will be the main factor determining the lowest figure they will accept - like the reserve price at an auction.
 
The holy trinity 68 said:
You forgot Van De Beek. Also Bailly and Telles are returning, and unless we get a buyer or can send them on loan, they will be getting registered.
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Why do you think they are getting registered? Safe to say, they won't be even if they stay at United.
 
Orc said:
As a Chelsea fan who has watched every game he’s played closely I’m reading this thread and thinking a lot of you United fans have the wrong idea of how he is most effectively utilized. He is not a CM at all really and didn’t ever really play there for us other than in emergency situations. He is an advanced midfielder who plays almost exclusively in the classic #10 area of the pitch. He’s not a #8. He‘s someone who often initiated our pressing game under Lamps and Tuchel. That’s how high up the pitch he was.

So with all that in mind I really don’t see how you play Mount and Bruno together since they occupy similar areas. Moving Mount deeper into a midfield 2 with Casemiro is a really bad idea, imo, and you’ll get overrun in there against top teams.

For me it made WAY more sense when Mase was linked with Klopp and Liverpool. Think he would’ve fit their aggressive pressing, high tempo attacking better.
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I believe we would get another midfielder as well more equipped to play deeper and unpopular opinion Mount might actually be somebody who is earmarked as Bruno's replacement sooner rather than later who should get enough games next season as starter in different positions .
 
Orc said:
As a Chelsea fan who has watched every game he’s played closely I’m reading this thread and thinking a lot of you United fans have the wrong idea of how he is most effectively utilized. He is not a CM at all really and didn’t ever really play there for us other than in emergency situations. He is an advanced midfielder who plays almost exclusively in the classic #10 area of the pitch. He’s not a #8. He‘s someone who often initiated our pressing game under Lamps and Tuchel. That’s how high up the pitch he was.

So with all that in mind I really don’t see how you play Mount and Bruno together since they occupy similar areas. Moving Mount deeper into a midfield 2 with Casemiro is a really bad idea, imo, and you’ll get overrun in there against top teams.

For me it made WAY more sense when Mase was linked with Klopp and Liverpool. Think he would’ve fit their aggressive pressing, high tempo attacking better.
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I think this echo’s the sentiments of many fans here. I really have no idea how ten Hag thinks he’ll make this work — one of Fernandes or Mount will be out of position. It’s the type of accommodating you do to players you already have in the squad — not spending £70m+ to buy that conundrum!

My assumption would be Mount as the 10 with Fernandes slightly deeper who is the most creative of the two. But then we still hold the massive issue of Fernandes not being a no.8 and lacking the press resistance and short pass game to play deeper. It’s all a bit weird.
 
Orc said:
As a Chelsea fan who has watched every game he’s played closely I’m reading this thread and thinking a lot of you United fans have the wrong idea of how he is most effectively utilized. He is not a CM at all really and didn’t ever really play there for us other than in emergency situations. He is an advanced midfielder who plays almost exclusively in the classic #10 area of the pitch. He’s not a #8. He‘s someone who often initiated our pressing game under Lamps and Tuchel. That’s how high up the pitch he was.

So with all that in mind I really don’t see how you play Mount and Bruno together since they occupy similar areas. Moving Mount deeper into a midfield 2 with Casemiro is a really bad idea, imo, and you’ll get overrun in there against top teams.

For me it made WAY more sense when Mase was linked with Klopp and Liverpool. Think he would’ve fit their aggressive pressing, high tempo attacking better.
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Interesting 2 Chelsea fans with completely different takes @TheMagicFoolBus .

@WeePat you are spot on, Mount really divides opinion.
 
Orc said:
As a Chelsea fan who has watched every game he’s played closely I’m reading this thread and thinking a lot of you United fans have the wrong idea of how he is most effectively utilized. He is not a CM at all really and didn’t ever really play there for us other than in emergency situations. He is an advanced midfielder who plays almost exclusively in the classic #10 area of the pitch. He’s not a #8. He‘s someone who often initiated our pressing game under Lamps and Tuchel. That’s how high up the pitch he was.

So with all that in mind I really don’t see how you play Mount and Bruno together since they occupy similar areas. Moving Mount deeper into a midfield 2 with Casemiro is a really bad idea, imo, and you’ll get overrun in there against top teams.

For me it made WAY more sense when Mase was linked with Klopp and Liverpool. Think he would’ve fit their aggressive pressing, high tempo attacking better.
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The most obvious reason to buy him is to compete with Bruno for the 10 spot.

Sometimes managers / coaches see something beyond the obvious.
 
Rolaholic said:


They must be on heavy narcotics to come up with that Mount valuation...

Why wouldn't we be after someone like Kovacic instead? Feels much more our speed and what we'd need
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I am actually more worried about the person who thinks £25 million for Chaloubah is good value for money - every tine I see him play, I get surprised how poor he is.
 
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