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That is the key. Defensive "effort".

Pogba can easily play at the highest level in a midfield 2 at senior level (he won a world cup in that position). The only issue with him is if he can be bothered. When he is, he is not a weak link in any way in a midfield 3.

Gomes is slow and physically weak and struggled for months with the physical step up to u23 football. His main position is number 10 so doesn't generally have a lot of defensive responsibility. All of his senior appearances have been on the left of a front 3. It is not at all comparable to say he would be as defensively solid as Pogba.

I may be naive but I can see Gomes, Greenwood and Garner all making it as senior players at United and Chong could make it too if the stars align. But at this stage, when they are young and inexperienced, throwing them in with the fringe players in an FA Cup game is very risky both for the result and their own development.

If United are 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go, that's a perfect environment to give them a taste of the first team.

Remember Scott Wootton? No? Exactly.
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Yeah i remember Scott Wooton, not sure what a rubbish defender who was never going to be good enough has got to do with anything though? Do you remember Adam Eckersley?

The poster said its fantasy to think we can win a game of football without a midfielder with defemsive nous, which one of Pogba, Pereira and Fred would you say has the defesive nous in that trio? Gomes isnt slow and has been playing deeper this season as a part of a midfield 3 and been very good at it, Fred is naturaly a box to box midfielder and Pereiras been moulded into a holding midfielder for the last 2 seasons, its not like its playing 3 attacking mids together and its relative to the opposition, im not saying play this midfield against PSG ,its Reading .

If throwing two of our best academy players into the starting line-up alongside a solid back four, Brazilian internationals in midfield and over a hudred million worth of attacking talent up top, is too risky against Reading at home, when do we give them a chance? Your 20 mins if we'r 3-0 up isnt giving them a proper chance, Gomes has been doing that since he was 16. Theres absolutely no risk to there development if theyd of played today, the result yeah theres risk, theres risk if they dont play, but thats where you put your trust in them, there development dosnt get hinderd either way, if we win they learn, if we lose they learn.

Maybe we just view Reading differently, maybe we just view the quality of our youth differently, but i want us to give these youngsters a fair chance rather than just talk about it, i think this game would of been perfect to do it, you could replace Gomes and Chong in that line-up i mentioned with me and you and we should still be beating Reading at home. If they are doing as badly as you seem to think they would, uv got a couple of your Fellanis, matas or lingards to come off the bench, If theyr doing as well as i think they would, you'v got Greenwood and Garner to bring on

What would your team be today?
 
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Sean_RedDevil said:
Reading have a poor season but they aren't a 6h Division side like Woking :nervous:.....we don't need a replay.

Players like De Gea, Pogba, Rashford, Matic, Lingard or Shaw should be rested........Sanchez and Lukaku are needing 60-70 minutes......Martial at least on the bench.

We would lose with players like Greenwood, Chong, Gomes or Garner in the starting XI.
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When are people going to realise... you can't win anything with kids
 
mattunited1978 said:
Yeah i remember Scott Wooton, not sure what a rubbish defender who was never going to be good enough has got to do with anything though? Do you remember Adam Eckersley?

The poster said its fantasy to think we can win a game of football without a midfielder with defemsive nous, which one of Pogba, Pereira and Fred would you say has the defesive nous in that trio? Gomes isnt slow and has been playing deeper this season as a part of a midfield 3 and been very good at it, Fred is naturaly a box to box midfielder and Pereiras been moulded into a holding midfielder for the last 2 seasons, its not like its playing 3 attacking mids together and its relative to the opposition, im not saying play this midfield against PSG ,its Reading .

If throwing two of our best academy players into the starting line-up alongside a solid back four, Brazilian internationals in midfield and over a hudred million worth of attacking talent up top, is too risky against Reading at home, when do we give them a chance? Your 20 mins if we'r 3-0 up isnt giving them a proper chance, Gomes has been doing that since he was 16. Theres absolutely no risk to there development if theyd of played today, the result yeah theres risk, theres risk if they dont play, but thats where you put your trust in them, there development dosnt get hinderd either way, if we win they learn, if we lose they learn.

Maybe we just view Reading differently, maybe we just view the quality of our youth differently, but i want us to give these youngsters a fair chance rather than just talk about it, i think this game would of been perfect to do it, you could replace Gomes and Chong in that line-up i mentioned with me and you and we should still be beating Reading at home. If they are doing as badly as you seem to think they would, uv got a couple of your Fellanis, matas or lingards to come off the bench, If theyr doing as well as i think they would, you'v got Greenwood and Garner to bring on

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My expectation is that the front 6 will be Fred, Fellaini, Pereira; Lingard, Lukaku, Sanchez. If winning comfortably I would bring Gomes, Greenwood and Garner on for 20-25 minutes. Or Chong if Greenwood isn't fit.

The main difference between our opinions is my feel for how ready these players are to be in the first team squad. I think they're not. It's not that they haven't got the talent. They are just too young. Gomes has only just started putting in passable performances in the u23s, Greenwood doesn't even play at that level regularly.

The reason I referenced Wootton is because even though I didn't rate him, I really felt for him. He played at Stamford Bridge and was completely out of his depth, cost the team at least 3 goals and never played again. I know that's a different level to Reading and that he isn't as talented as these kids but he was much more experienced and the game finished him.

Gomes only plays deep in midfield in the u19s European games. He's not that good defensively. You say he's been playing 20 minutes since 16 but I actually think the game under Ole was the first time he played more than 5 minutes for the first team. Jose always brought him on right at the end.

I'd be more happy to play Gomes, Chong or Greenwood if Matic and Herrera were in midfield to add some control and defensive stability. Concede the first goal against Reading with a 2nd choice team who won't have the fluidity or confidence of the team that won the last 4 and it will be tough to break them down. I'd rather get into a lead and then let the kids play with less pressure.

It is really important for United to keep this run going. 5 wins in a row going into Spurs away will be great momentum to carry. Slip up here, lose at Spurs and suddenly the feel good factor isn't so great.

Realistically, this is all about giving the kids a positive experience. Or do people actually believe they are ready to play serious first team games at this stage of their careers?
 
I still believe clubs are too cautious with kids generally. Throw them in, a lot more capable than presumed.
 
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My expectation is that the front 6 will be Fred, Fellaini, Pereira; Lingard, Lukaku, Sanchez. If winning comfortably I would bring Gomes, Greenwood and Garner on for 20-25 minutes. Or Chong if Greenwood isn't fit.

The main difference between our opinions is my feel for how ready these players are to be in the first team squad. I think they're not. It's not that they haven't got the talent. They are just too young. Gomes has only just started putting in passable performances in the u23s, Greenwood doesn't even play at that level regularly.

The reason I referenced Wootton is because even though I didn't rate him, I really felt for him. He played at Stamford Bridge and was completely out of his depth, cost the team at least 3 goals and never played again. I know that's a different level to Reading and that he isn't as talented as these kids but he was much more experienced and the game finished him.

Gomes only plays deep in midfield in the u19s European games. He's not that good defensively. You say he's been playing 20 minutes since 16 but I actually think the game under Ole was the first time he played more than 5 minutes for the first team. Jose always brought him on right at the end.

I'd be more happy to play Gomes, Chong or Greenwood if Matic and Herrera were in midfield to add some control and defensive stability. Concede the first goal against Reading with a 2nd choice team who won't have the fluidity or confidence of the team that won the last 4 and it will be tough to break them down. I'd rather get into a lead and then let the kids play with less pressure.

It is really important for United to keep this run going. 5 wins in a row going into Spurs away will be great momentum to carry. Slip up here, lose at Spurs and suddenly the feel good factor isn't so great.

Realistically, this is all about giving the kids a positive experience. Or do people actually believe they are ready to play serious first team games at this stage of their careers?
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This is where we seem to differ, im confident the team i would of liked to see today would of beat Reading comfortably and would of been a good, positive experience for the young lads, whilst showing them theyr trusted to help win us a game, rather than 20 mins window dressing at the end when the games already won. Im not saying Gomes is that good defesively, im saying Fred and Pereira are good enough defesively to allow Gomes to play alongside them against Reading, again not PSG, or Spurs, City, Liverpool or even Leicester , Reading, at home .

Im not suggesting throwing them into the first team squad job lot and full time, im suggesting that this game is a perfect oppurtunity, imo, to give Gomes and Chong a start, alongside a team full of internationals, maybe not our first choice 11, but internationals for some of the best nations in world football, at home, against Reading, at a time when most the first choice 11 have played 4 games since 22nd December. It was only a few week ago people were wantin Matic dropped for Pereira and Herrera was finished, now we cant play a young lad without them?

Scott wooten was never good enough, regardless of that Chelsea game, he's at his level now so it didnt finish him, he's had a career in the lower leagues which is exactly the level his talent suggests he should be. A better example is Tuenzebe, whos regaded as a similar level of talent as Gomes and Chong, he certainly didnt look out of place and came away with his reputation enhanced from the Arsenal and Swansea games.

Im not someone who thinks playing the Youth is the answer to everything, theres plenty that have played first team over the years like Love, Mcnair, Gibson, Chadwick etc and even now in mctomimay, who i havnt rated atall and hated seeing there name on the team sheet, imo they were never good enough. But talents like Chong and Gomes, who have a genuine chance of a career here if there attitude matches there ability and are among the elite of there age group, need to be given a chance in games like these imo.
 
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mattunited1978 said:
This is where we seem to differ, im confident the team i would of liked to see today would of beat Reading comfortably and would of been a good, positive experience for the young lads, whilst showing them theyr trusted to help win us a game, rather than 20 mins window dressing at the end when the games already won. Im not saying Gomes is that good defesively, im saying Fred and Pereira are good enough defesively to allow Gomes to play alongside them against Reading, again not PSG, or Spurs, City, Liverpool or even Leicester , Reading, at home .

Im not suggesting throwing them into the first team squad job lot and full time, im suggesting that this game is a perfect oppurtunity, imo, to give Gomes and Chong a start, alongside a team full of internationals, maybe not our first choice 11, but internationals for some of the best nations in world football, at home, against Reading, at a time when most the first choice 11 have played 4 games since 22nd December. It was only a few week ago people were wantin Matic dropped for Pereira and Herrera was finished, now we cant play a young lad without them?

Scott wooten was never good enough, regardless of that Chelsea game, he's at his level now so it didnt finish him, he's had a career in the lower leagues which is exactly the level his talent suggests he should be. A better example is Tuenzebe, whos regaded as a similar level of talent as Gomes and Chong, he certainly didnt look out of place and came away with his reputation enhanced from the Arsenal and Swansea games.

Im not someone who thinks playing the Youth is the answer to everything, theres plenty that have played first team over the years like Love, Mcnair, Gibson, Chadwick etc and even now in mctomimay, who i havnt rated atall and hated seeing there name on the team sheet, imo they were never good enough. But talents like Chong and Gomes, who have a genuine chance of a career here if there attitude matches there ability and are among the elite of there age group, need to be given a chance in games like these imo.
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Couldn't agree more.
 
Pretty disappointed he's not even involved in the squad as a sub, tbh.
 
He wont play for the first team til the summer tour i think, we have too many senior forwards
 
Real shame he got hurt, was looking forward to seeing him
 
Disappointed to hear he picked up an injury. Would have been a great game to give him a chance. Oh well.
 
mattunited1978 said:
This is where we seem to differ, im confident the team i would of liked to see today would of beat Reading comfortably and would of been a good, positive experience for the young lads, whilst showing them theyr trusted to help win us a game, rather than 20 mins window dressing at the end when the games already won. Im not saying Gomes is that good defesively, im saying Fred and Pereira are good enough defesively to allow Gomes to play alongside them against Reading, again not PSG, or Spurs, City, Liverpool or even Leicester , Reading, at home .

Im not suggesting throwing them into the first team squad job lot and full time, im suggesting that this game is a perfect oppurtunity, imo, to give Gomes and Chong a start, alongside a team full of internationals, maybe not our first choice 11, but internationals for some of the best nations in world football, at home, against Reading, at a time when most the first choice 11 have played 4 games since 22nd December. It was only a few week ago people were wantin Matic dropped for Pereira and Herrera was finished, now we cant play a young lad without them?

Scott wooten was never good enough, regardless of that Chelsea game, he's at his level now so it didnt finish him, he's had a career in the lower leagues which is exactly the level his talent suggests he should be. A better example is Tuenzebe, whos regaded as a similar level of talent as Gomes and Chong, he certainly didnt look out of place and came away with his reputation enhanced from the Arsenal and Swansea games.

Im not someone who thinks playing the Youth is the answer to everything, theres plenty that have played first team over the years like Love, Mcnair, Gibson, Chadwick etc and even now in mctomimay, who i havnt rated atall and hated seeing there name on the team sheet, imo they were never good enough. But talents like Chong and Gomes, who have a genuine chance of a career here if there attitude matches there ability and are among the elite of there age group, need to be given a chance in games like these imo.
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The reason Wootton is a better example than Tuanzebe vs Arsenal is that Tuanzebe played with the first team. Wootton played next to Michael Keane at the back in a genuine second (or worse) 11. That is the equivalent here. Dalot is inexperienced, Darmian playing out of position, Fred is new to the club and Pereira is just breaking through (or trying) himself. Even Lukaku and Sanchez are just back from injury.

It seems like both Gomes and Greenwood are unavailable anyway so it’s a moot point but the team is along the lines of what I was expecting.

I agree that those kids need to be given a chance in these types of games, just not now. If they are putting in outstanding performances for the Under 23s, by all means give one of them a run out. But most are just establishing themselves at that level.
 
Barnslig said:
Yeah, sorry for not reading everything. I read he was supposed to feature in some regard, but missed that he picked up a knock. Thanks for letting me know though.
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I wasn’t directing that at you bud - so many people in the match day thread were complaining that he isn’t part of the squad without reading.
Enjoy the game.
 
POF said:
The reason Wootton is a better example than Tuanzebe vs Arsenal is that Tuanzebe played with the first team. Wootton played next to Michael Keane at the back in a genuine second (or worse) 11. That is the equivalent here. Dalot is inexperienced, Darmian playing out of position, Fred is new to the club and Pereira is just breaking through (or trying) himself. Even Lukaku and Sanchez are just back from injury.

It seems like both Gomes and Greenwood are unavailable anyway so it’s a moot point but the team is along the lines of what I was expecting.

I agree that those kids need to be given a chance in these types of games, just not now. If they are putting in outstanding performances for the Under 23s, by all means give one of them a run out. But most are just establishing themselves at that level.
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Behave yourself, You said Lingard and Fellani just a few posts above, nothing like you were expecting. Everyone thought Fred, Pereira, Sanchez and Lukaku were shoe ins so the two places in midfield and attack that were up for grabs you predicted wrong.

Wootens a terrible example because he was never, ever good enough to be a premier league player, never mind a Manchester united player, using the predictable shocker he had against Chelsea as a reason to be weary of giving youth players, with more talent at there respective positions than he could only dream about, a chance is clutching at straws. Do you think if Wooten hadnt been thrown in against Chelsea he would be any higher up the league ladder than he is now? If we'r being honest the answers no, he's at the level his talent warrents, so the Chelsea game didnt hamper his development one bit.

The players we'v given chances to who actually looked like they had a chance here...Rashford, Lingard (not his biggest fan, but certainly hasnt let us down) tuenzebe, Fosu mensah and even Januzaj until he got complacent, have showed up pretty well to very well when given a chance, sometimes in makeshift teams, sometimes against better oposition than we'r facing today.

Like you say, moot point anyways, we'l never know how theyd of fared today, all we can do is agree to disagree and look forward to a good performance.
 
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I’m not convinced he’s injured. Still no response from those who reported it in here re: their sources. I’ve searched everywhere and can’t find anything on it.

Seems like it might just be a made-up reason just so people can cope with the possibility that Ole has deliberately chosen to not include him in the squad.
 
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Behave yourself, You said Lingard and Fellani just a few posts above, nothing like you were expecting. Everyone thought Fred, Pereira, Sanchez and Lukaku were shoe ins so the two places in midfield and attack that were up for grabs you predicted wrong.

Wootens a terrible example because he was never, ever good enough to be a premier league player, never mind a Manchester united player, using the predictable shocker he had against Chelsea as a reason to be weary of giving youth players, with more talent at there respective positions than he could only dream about, a chance is clutching at straws. Do you think if Wooten hadnt been thrown in against Chelsea he would be any higher up the league ladder than he is now? If we'r being honest the answers no, he's at the level his talent warrents, so the Chelsea game didnt hamper his development one bit.

The players we'v given chances to who actually looked like they had a chance here...Rashford, Lingard (not his biggest fan, but certainly hasnt let us down) tuenzebe, Fosu mensah and even Januzaj until he got complacent, have showed up pretty well to very well when given a chance, sometimes in makeshift teams, sometimes against better oposition than we'r facing today.

Like you say, moot point anyways, we'l never know how theyd of fared today, all we can do is agree to disagree and look forward to a good performance.
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What I meant is that the team selected were more experienced first team squad players rather than your suggestion of playing the kids.

You are completely missing the point about playing in a weaker 11 and the way the game is going completely vindicates that decision. A disjointed display of a team that hasn't played together much is hardly surprising.

Reading have played through the United midfield. I am very happy that United have a more defensively aware player in McTominay than Gomes in midfield.
 
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What I meant is that the team selected were more experienced first team squad players rather than your suggestion of playing the kids.

You are completely missing the point about playing in a weaker 11 and the way the game is going completely vindicates that decision. A disjointed display of a team that hasn't played together much is hardly surprising.

Reading have played through the United midfield. I am very happy that United have a more defensively aware player in McTominay than Gomes in midfield.
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So theyr playing through our midfield but your happy our more defensively aware players playing, why isnt he stopping them playing through our midfield? Again clutching at straws, probably watching the game hoping it goes so as to back up your point. We'r giving the ball away cheeply leading to there attacks, We would be keeping the ball much more efficiently with Gomes in there instead of Mctominay.

We'r playing pretty poorly with the team you wanted, maybe the team i wanted would of fared better.

My suggestion of playing the kids was a team id like to see, not what i predicted it to be, your Lingard and Fellani shouts were what you expected, wrong on both.
 
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This lad can finish, if he can handle the physicality, he will be a beast up front.
 
Hopefully he can really impress Ole and earn a few cameos for himself
 
POF said:
What I meant is that the team selected were more experienced first team squad players rather than your suggestion of playing the kids.

You are completely missing the point about playing in a weaker 11 and the way the game is going completely vindicates that decision. A disjointed display of a team that hasn't played together much is hardly surprising.

Reading have played through the United midfield. I am very happy that United have a more defensively aware player in McTominay than Gomes in midfield.
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We didn't just have a problem with defending, Reading had more possession than United. You don't think Gomes would have helped control the midfield?
 
Reading some of the posts on here makes me feel that fans expect youngsters to come into the side and be the MOTM straight away. For christ sake give them a chance. For me, he done well for his first game and although nervous looked like he wanted the ball and get into the game.
 
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Reading some of the posts on here makes me feel that fans expect youngsters to come into the side and be the MOTM straight away. For christ sake give them a chance. For me, he done well for his first game and although nervous looked like he wanted the ball and get into the game.
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I haven't seen any of the reserves however I was impressed with him in pre season.

Yesterday wasn't a great opportunity as he was only on the pitch for 25 mins and the whole team was poor.

He's still very young and it's always difficult to predict how good a young player will be. I think a loan in Germany may be a good idea however there's no chance that would happen.
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It was Chong who came on?
 
wythyred said:
I haven't seen any of the reserves however I was impressed with him in pre season.

Yesterday wasn't a great opportunity as he was only on the pitch for 25 mins and the whole team was poor.

He's still very young and it's always difficult to predict how good a young player will be. I think a loan in Germany may be a good idea however there's no chance that would happen.
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You're in the wrong thread buddy.
 
I can’t wait to see this kid break through. He looks as if he is destined to make it here. From what I’ve seen of him he just doesn’t have a weakness to his game. He’s fast, strong, skilful and is a deadly finisher with both feet. I honesty think he could be a world class player in the making.
 
One thing worries me about our youngsters, Mason included, they're all fecking skinny.

I was watching some RM and PSG youth teams and their players look better built.
 
Bestietom said:
Reading some of the posts on here makes me feel that fans expect youngsters to come into the side and be the MOTM straight away. For christ sake give them a chance. For me, he done well for his first game and although nervous looked like he wanted the ball and get into the game.
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Well said. It's a huge discredit as fans to expect so highly of them too, in my opinion. I have no doubt Greenwood is a fantastic player and have high hopes for him, but he's just 17 years old. Allow him to progress and learn and be promoted (whether full-time or sporadically) according to the clubs coaches/Ole who watch him on a daily basis.

As fans it's so easy to hype a young player and be disappointed frequently because our own expectations are sky high.

Glad to see he's training with the first team lads! He's obviously a talent and showing that to be involved, so it's only a matter of time before he makes more appearances. Have faith!
 
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