Apparently he’s not in the matchday squad according to the Mirror.
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We wont so many youngsters i feel, maybe Gomes or Chong/Garner, the ones that travelled with the squad to previous games under Ole. Depending on how the game goes, maybe some of them wont even get a sub appearance.
Think that midfield lacks a bit of creativity, especially when we're guaranteed 70-80% of the ball. Id move Alexis into the 10 with Fellaini and Fred as 2 8's. Don't rate Periera at all. Then a front 3 of Lingard, Lukaku and Greenwood. The front 3 can rotate between being a flat 3 with two wide players or a triangle with Lingard coming in behind Lukaku and Greenwood playing as a 2. Loads of flexibility there
Fred / Pereira both intercept pretty well.
We used to play a 442 with Anderson / Cleverley, i'm sure they'll manage.
True, we were probably a bit more solid overall when we did, but point taken.
Ole out
If true its abit of a shame but Greenwood will get his chance at some point,maybe not this season though.
If you are good enough you are old enough, don't see why he should have to wait
Disappointing if he’s not at least on the bench. His x-factor being goals, he should have gotten a few chances vs Reading.
Until it's officially announced,I'm not believing The Mirror
Massive over rating of Reading going on in here. If that team i posted cant comfortably dispatch of Reading at home then they shouldnt be at the club, however, they would dispatch of them pretty easily imo. The midfield is fine, Freds a box to box midfielder with plenty of Champions league experience, Pereiras played most of his first team minutes for us as a holding midfielder and Gomes is one of the best attacking midfield prospects in the country, but they cant cope with Reading, behave.
They wouldnt
.Or maybe see how they do first, to save against a massive overreaction sack him at halftime instead.
There's not a single competent tackler in that midfield, you can't play a midfield without someone competent defensively, it's just fantasy.
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Jose, is that you?
Dont agree atall with regards to tomorrows game, Theres more than enough to beat reading. We played Pereira, Fred and Pogba in midfield against Leicester at old trafford, we won, so which one of that trio was the competent one defensively? That was against a decent premier league team, Reading are a poor championship team so changing Pogba for Gomes should still give us plenty enough to win on saturday.
Theres no point talking bout giving lads a chance if we'r not goin to trust them in games like this, the team i said id like to see had two young lads, surrounded by hundreds of millions worth of talent, and people dont think they could beat Reading at home, unbelievable.
Poor that he’s not in the squad. First poor decision by Ole, he was due one.
It isn't really. If it was the League Cup, sure but this is a serious chance at silverware which Ole will almost certainly go full out in order to win.
He has been offered a good chance to rotate here andagrt some players some much needed rest or minutes. Full scale throwing kids in ala Carabao Cup games was never on the cards for this one.
Gomes and Chong will probably be the two youngsters involved. Maybe Roshaun Williams if we want some CB cover.
Gomes isn’t even in the squad. Martial, Lukaku, Rashford, Sanchez isn’t needed against Reading. Rashford should have been rested completely for this.
It is for match sharpness. Like I said, Ole will want to win this and won't be taking any chances. As he shouldn't.
Rashford won't see the pitch if the rest of those who need the minutes perform as expected.
Just think it was the perfect chance to give Greenwood a tiny little taste of what he can get, won’t have another chance this season in all likelihood.
I know where you are coming from for sure, there were rumours he picked up a knock (for what it's worth).
If we have any dead rubbers towards the end of the season or we get another Championship side or lower, providing he is fit he may get a chance then. It certainly won't be the last opportunity this year.
Well the knock may well explain it. Will be nice to hopefully see Chong get a debut, I don’t see why we need Fellaini and McTominay though ahead of Gomes.
Gomes has had a loan move blocked as Solskjaer sees him getting more first team chances. I think now the mad rush of fixtures is over he will see more starts/appearances after the Spurs game.
Envision James Garner as the Gomes selection, there would be no way they would both play this game so Solskjaer is using him in this game to get him a taster. 70th minute sub if we have a two goal cushion.
On the Giuseppe Rossi scale for unders, how good is Greenwood?
Van Persie.
I dislike Jose as much as the next person but every half decent midfield in the world has a competent defensive player in there.
We also played that midfield against Brighton and got slaughtered. You can give them a chance just not in a midfield that wouldn't work, I'd be all for playing Gomes if he was alongside two regulars, not two bench players. That's just a recipe for failure. Dunno what you're bringing Pogba up for, I said the midfield of Gomes - Fred - Pereira wouldn't work, you're just shifting the goalposts.
He is certainly up there.
Glenn Roeder has a lot to answer for. Mind you, we should never have loaned him out in the 06/07 season. We had Rooney, Saha and Solskjaer coming off of a 2 year lay off to play upfront with Smith still a question mark as to if he could play at all, let alone be back that season.
Puzzling.
I think Rossi is the best player seen for us at that level in decades - he was just insanely good. Is Greenwood in that kind of class?
It looks like good finishing from him in the clips amidst some atrocious defending. Really hard to get a read on the level of play from the clips.
Reading have a poor season but they aren't a 6h Division side like Woking
.....we don't need a replay.Players like De Gea, Pogba, Rashford, Matic, Lingard or Shaw should be rested........Sanchez and Lukaku are needing 60-70 minutes......Martial at least on the bench.
We would lose with players like Greenwood, Chong, Gomes or Garner in the starting XI.
Reading have a poor season but they aren't a 6h Division side like Woking
Players like De Gea, Pogba, Rashford, Matic, Lingard or Shaw should be rested........Sanchez and Lukaku are needing 60-70 minutes......Martial at least on the bench.
We would lose with players like Greenwood, Chong, Gomes or Garner in the starting XI.
I wouldn’t start them either. I would maybe start 1 but don’t have any complaints in giving them cameos. Still think one of Gomes/Greenwood should definitely be there but that’s just me.
Rossi took the piss at that level. I remember 2004-2006 and he had one season whereby you'd check the score knowing that he had probably bagged a couple.
Greenwood is like that now, albeit a level below where Rossi was doing it. He needs another 6-18 months before we can start saying anything definitively.
Yeah, Rossi looked like a world class player in the making, and would have gone on to be one if his knees weren't made out of balsa wood. So unfortunate.
Just curious because that's like the platinum standard and if any young player even gets to gold, they're doing well.
I really want to see this kid in our first squad, hopefully getting a few games, but from the sounds of what you're saying, there's a ways to go before he'll be in serious contention?
You can move the ball fast like a speed of light and still Fred Pereira Gomes trio aren't reliable enough in midfield. At least need a player who can defend or a good no 6, Barca's midgets had Busquest & Silva x2 had Fernandinho.
It is incredibly difficult to say with any great certainty. The fact he has two amazing feet is going to work well because he may find his best chance comes trying to fill in the vacant RW space with his ability to cut onto his left.
He also doesn't have the very top level speeds of Martial or Rashford so it maybe that we need.to exercise a little patience while he figures out the game at each level.
the kid has it. You don’t need to watch him for another 12 months to tell that. The movement and level of finishing he shows won’t just go away. A hat trick against the best u18 team in the country shows he can do against better opposition.
Only injuries or a lack of determination could stop him.
I would have also liked to have seen him in the squad for tomorrow’s game but it isn’t a biggie and outrage that he isn’t.
The boy is very talented and he will get plenty of chances in the future to play in the first team. Just let him develop the way he is and continue banging in the goals for the youth team. He’s only 17 years old and will no doubt be involved in the 1st team sooner rather than later.
The boy is very talented and he will get plenty of chances in the future to play in the first team. Just let him develop the way he is and continue banging in the goals for the youth team. He’s only 17 years old and will no doubt be involved in the 1st team sooner rather than later.
Not changing the goal posts...just giving you an example of a midfield containing two of the players i mentioned plus one whos biggest critisism is his defensive effort, winning a premier league game when you stated it was fantasy to be able to do so, apparently even against the likes reading...basically proving that its not fantasy for teams to be capable of winning a game of football without a defensive lynch pin in the midfield. And thats what we'r talking about here, one game against championship relegation fodder.
Do you honestly think a midfield of fred, pereira and gomes couldnt handle reading?
We'v also played midfields full of apparent defensive nouse this season, too many times, and theyv been ripped apart time and time again aswel.
Dosnt look like we'l find out anyways, dosnt look like gomes is in the squad unfortunatly.
Totally agree there! If you went back to 2006/07, I used to be lurker on here. I remember the Rossi threads, I remember also watching MUTV. The hype was real. Rossi was outstanding! He was a certainty to male it here. Barring injuries, he had a decent career. But like Wilson and others he was the blue eyed hope of the time.
I think some of us older posters who have followed the youths have learned to be more cynical with time. Ideally, I would prefer we never signed anyone and fielded a team of home-grown kids like the Busby Babes.
Unfortunately, due to factors beyond talent, some kids just don’t transition the outstanding promise they show at youth levels at senior level.
I really like greenwood. But when you look at the youth team defences, they hardly press. Let’s see how he is as he steps up. He’s got the raw attributes.
I just don’t want to build him up and be disappointed again.
That is the key. Defensive "effort".
Pogba can easily play at the highest level in a midfield 2 at senior level (he won a world cup in that position). The only issue with him is if he can be bothered. When he is, he is not a weak link in any way in a midfield 3.
Gomes is slow and physically weak and struggled for months with the physical step up to u23 football. His main position is number 10 so doesn't generally have a lot of defensive responsibility. All of his senior appearances have been on the left of a front 3. It is not at all comparable to say he would be as defensively solid as Pogba.
I may be naive but I can see Gomes, Greenwood and Garner all making it as senior players at United and Chong could make it too if the stars align. But at this stage, when they are young and inexperienced, throwing them in with the fringe players in an FA Cup game is very risky both for the result and their own development.
If United are 3-0 up with 20 minutes to go, that's a perfect environment to give them a taste of the first team.
Remember Scott Wootton? No? Exactly.
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