Have they ever been hands on? Maybe I missed the parts when they did or said anything productive for over a decade.
Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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Apologies I did not know that and should not have commented without knowing the full picture. Audio and pictures I feel have more impact than texts in the public's eyes.
Clearly it does - otherwise Arnold would not be telling us that he is “satisfied that Mason did not commit the acts he was charged with”.
That is absolutely true, but shouldnt be the case in my opinion. The way the victim of the Arsenal player has been abused online and with no consequense for the player is deeply depressing.
Interesting.
90% of facebook wants MG to stay and be given second chance.
90% of redcafe wants him gone.
90% of facebook wants MG to stay and be given second chance.
90% of redcafe wants him gone.
Is this based on just the athletic story? It was under consideration as per the statement released by the club but there was no final decision.
Yep, the mental gymnastics are incredible.
It's clear for me for a while that a lot of people have a pretty funny moral compass as long as it means us having more players
This is a mess. ManUtd the club can't come out of this with any credit - no matter what they do, simply because the number of fans they have are too many, to make everyone happy. I personally think Utd did the right thing by eventually excluding him from the club's path forward (how they did it will continue to be a matter of endless debate).
Given today's society it is unlikely any club in the PL / Championship wants to deal with the backlash of taking him on as a player.
It's likely that he'll go to a club in Saudi league or some such, and might return a few years later when things are quieter... If anything, the Club statement is essentially a "come and get him" plea to those clubs - and the club will book that as profit and get around FFP rules.
Given today's society it is unlikely any club in the PL / Championship wants to deal with the backlash of taking him on as a player.
It's likely that he'll go to a club in Saudi league or some such, and might return a few years later when things are quieter... If anything, the Club statement is essentially a "come and get him" plea to those clubs - and the club will book that as profit and get around FFP rules.
Well that confirms I spent my time on the right platform.
There have been several who have confirmed this. I think Goldbridge is a bit of a tool, but he has in the past been proven to have pretty good connections and he confirmed what Crafton said.
Will get his move pretty easy imo. It’s good for our club. We got enough distractions with everything else going on.
I think we got a good chance loaning him out and in fact get a hefty fee for him if he does well on loan. Or we get a u-turn again. Him scoring 20 goals for someone out on loan would kick off a lot of fuzz.
so they spent a year investigating, for some reason let us know they still haven't decided last week, and now they've decided this week
There is not a chance we get any money for him. That just isn’t happening in circumstances where we accept he will never play for the club again.
Facts.
If this was Brandon fecking WIlliams we would not be seeing any of these mental gymnasts telling us the audio is somehow misleading.
Absolutely spot on. How anyone can defend him is utterly mind boggling.
The immediate red flag is present when his girlfriend feels the need to audio record him when they’re alone. What comes after this explains why.
I don't know the exact figures but even if that is true, a lot of social media is likely people who have a view that charges dropped means he is innocent. Plus a lot of people don't understand that abuse victims still go back to their abuser in many cases. Then there are people who believe most people deserve a second chance.
I am sure there are very few who want him in regardless of what kind of person he is.
If we end up loaning him without even option to buy no matter the reason then I would seriously Doubt United's Boards Intentions and would actually agree it's kicking the can down the road and revisit this in future .
The people whose daughter it is seem to know more than we do, and they are not asking for his head on a stick. Some people will say “it’s because of his money” or make other excuses, but if they’re making things up, it’s because they want him to be guilty. She can get more than enough money from this without needing him.
Perhaps he is telling the truth and he didn’t do the things he was accused of, but has accepted he made mistakes in general (I don’t think he could publicly admit to the things he was accused of because the case can be reopened).
United have said that they don’t believe the audios and pictures are what they have been made out to be. They didn’t have to say that. They didn’t have to say anything about that. The reason I can believe this is through personal experience.
At worst, he made some empty threats. If they were real, and a real danger, she had the perfect chance to run a mile. She didn’t. She stayed and had his kid. They were 19 at the time for heavens sake.
There is other side to this as well If it was Brendon Williams it wouldn't be such big story either .
So do you guys think juventus will snag him up on a free transfer ?
Haha, it was never about the victim.
From the Athletic article. Not really a ringing endorsement or denial, is it?
"Empty threats" about bodily harm and murder is in itself a crime...
Nobody comes out of this horrible episode with any credit. That's ok.
I meant whatever he's done it's still so bad that it wouldn't make him playing for Manchester United again possible.
If it did they would have released it.
I am not so sure. We do pay him and own him. Why should we not get money for him. We need to get something and reinvest the money in new player(s).
Read up on David Goodwillie. He was found not guilty for rape in the court of law however then guilty in a civil case. As a result, any move to football teams in Scotland and Australia has resulted in significant protests from their fans. There were no audio recording for him.
Mason Greenwood is a much higher profile and pretty much everyone has heard this despicable rats words towards his terrified girlfriend.
I’d be surprised if a big clubs takes this gamble of a backlash from their fans.
And people who defend him and ask where his next destination is? Who cares. Shawshank preferably.
Mason Greenwood is a much higher profile and pretty much everyone has heard this despicable rats words towards his terrified girlfriend.
I’d be surprised if a big clubs takes this gamble of a backlash from their fans.
And people who defend him and ask where his next destination is? Who cares. Shawshank preferably.
Forgetting for a moment the legal bar for proof, just in general, what possible contexts do you think the audio etc. would be acceptable morally?
There were rumours from another board that they were in a toxic relationship. If they released anything that made her look bad just to exonerate him, that would be even worse.
I do not know how many times you need to read that but many victims stay with their abusers for years and it has never meant the abuse isn't real or that the victim is somehow responsible for it by not leaving.
Many posts in this thread read like they've never ever interacted with Domestic Violence matters, policies or stats.
None of what I'm saying here proves that MG abused her. People need to understand that their current living situation doesn't prove at all he didn't either.
We can’t stop being serious. Yes, moving him on is a good choice for everyone. Not earning money on potential suitors wanting him makes no sense for me.
Well, we had people on here stating that they believed this decision was all on the Glazers!Have they ever been hands on? Maybe I missed the parts when they did or said anything productive for over a decade.
90% ? The previous poll was nothing like as high as that. Was something like
21/53/26 stay/go/don't know.
So you think Partey should be banned from football without law enforcement scrutinising evidence?
The bolded, yes thats true, but my feeling is that most of the people who wants that tends to be very vocal on social media. So that might skew what people think is United fans opinion on this.
Clearly very badly handled by the club - they end up without Greenwood AND with greatly angering everyone who wanted him out, while also showing that they're not able to run a good process and are not prepared to stand by their own findings (apparently, the investigation concluded that Greenwood did not do what he was accused of). All of the downside and none of the upside of all options simultaneously, really.
What’s your conclusion?
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