Agreed. I think if we can sell him for a good fee, he solves more ffp problems than squad problems coming back.
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The fact you're even saying potential future victims sums up why he should never play for the club again.
If he thinks he can rehabilitate himself fine but that shouldn't be done at Old Trafford.
He's not played for the club for over 2 years now. Any negative elements of his behaviour remaining are very much on him now rather than the club.
Time to move on.
What's the play here?
We accept Greenwood back with open arms or we are all responsible for all 'future victims'?
Ridiculous, if so. Offensively stupid.
Our approach is not 'hands off', quite the opposite in fact: we will not tolerate domestic abusers and/or people who threaten others with rape at our club.
Greenwood, who doesn't need football to rehabilitate his character, is no exception.
This Thread should be closed as it contains endless streams of waffle from wantobe Judges, physiatrists, Lawyers or the "I know more than you experts". So many boring and repeat comments on either of the argument.
Bottom line is INEOS will make their call on Greenwood in the summer and we'll have to deal with the decision and move on.
Bottom line is INEOS will make their call on Greenwood in the summer and we'll have to deal with the decision and move on.
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The play is the club is better placed than the likes of Getafe to minimise the likelihood of Greenwood reoffending. It's as simple as that. That doesn't mean welcoming him back with open arms - if it was up to me, he wouldn't play until the club and associated psychological practitioners feel he has made significant progress in addressing his issues and demonstrating genuine contrition and understanding (that's complicated by the fact that he wasn't officially proven guilty, but his apology post and United's statement recognised some of the behaviours).
It's not just about a duty to Greenwood, or about sending a message about not tolerating domestic abusers. It's about a duty to the wider community, in my opinion.
His entire childhood and adolescent development took place at the club. That doesn't stop being the case just because he hasn't played for United for the past two years.
It's why United desperately need to get rid of him.
Accepting him back is United saying they're okay with what he clearly did, essentially because he's a good asset and the 'wider community' have to tolerate it or they're somehow at fault.
There's no way past this fact.
No, this thread should be left wide open for honest debate, not closed off because the pro-Greenwood commentators cannot 'win'.
If you personally don't like it, stop contributing.
Absolutely none of that justifies what he did.
This becomes a relevant point if he gets an injury or develops an illness. Sure, the club should definitely look after him.
Less so when he does what he did and especially so when there's no apology (at least one in the public anyway.)
The club has zero responsibility to look after him now unless they used to teach the players how to do that in the academy.
I second this motion.
I think that’s hopeful
If INEOS do decide to give him a second chance, people aren’t going to just accept it and move on. You'll get groups forming and protests again.
But Ratcliffe is a smart guy. He won’t risk upsetting a majority of the fanbase 6 months in. I’m sure it’s a non issue and Greenwood will be sold
Just put the thread on ignore. Problem solved.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. The second he plays for United or sits on the United"s bench, I'm out. And I'm pretty sure other survivors feel the same.
Divorcing my first love is going to be fecking torture, but I cannot support a team with him in it. I'll be disgusted with the owners, the manager, the coaching staff, the players, men and women, the parents of the u18 players, even Cathy.
Divorcing my first love is going to be fecking torture, but I cannot support a team with him in it. I'll be disgusted with the owners, the manager, the coaching staff, the players, men and women, the parents of the u18 players, even Cathy.
Of course you do
Forgiveness and redemption are alien concepts to a small but very loud section of United fans.Of course you do
What does he need forgiveness and redemption for?
No one is asking you to comment or read it , there is also an ignore button
People who do the things that he has done don't deserve forgiveness in my eyes. And it has been stated numerous times before he is getting his redemption in Spain, still being paid hundreds of thousands to play football, so stop with this redemption bollocks.
Not really sure since no one really knows what happened, but I tend to think everyone deserves a second chance and a career should not be judged only by selected group of people. Kobe, Tyson, Van Persie etc all bounced back stronger, respected sports person.
I’m curious how many there would be trotting out the forgiveness snd redemption angles if it was a player they think doesn’t fit like McTominay or AWB.
in fact the Sam Kerr thread makes for good reading
And if Kobe or Tyson wanted to play for united I imagine the same majority would also take issue with it. As for RvP, wasn't that demonstrated as false?
In my view, it is good and moral to forgive people for their human failings. Forgiveness can free us from feelings of hurt, anger and suffering.
I would have said the same thing if it were AWB or McTomminay. It is possible to forgive and move on
Oh what a load of bollocks. So tell me this, if MG did what he did to someone you know or are related to you'd forgive them that easily would you??
Domestic assault and attempted rape...very human failings. On a par with forgetting where you put the car keys or being jealous of your mate when they get the promotion you wanted.
Lots of self-righteous posturing. We must forgive one another and let go of rage and anger.
Christ. Reading stuff like this is so sad and disgusting.
Spot on. The Sam Kerr thread is an eye-opener. Never seen so many people trying to make excuses for racism because it’s Sam Kerr.
Exactly. I don't understand why some are so desperate to forgive him, it gives an awful insight in to the mind set of some people around the world that something like this can be so easily swept under the rug. I asked that poster what they'd do if it was someone they knew or related to that it happened to, be interesting to see their response.
Rood has been disgraceful in this thread, trying to make out he's on the fence about this whole thing when he's clearly not. I have him on ignore now, and he's also lost a listener to the United hour podcast too because of his ridiculous views.
yes, I would and I actually did. As I said, forgiveness is an alien concept for some.
You'll just have to forgive us.
Jesus
I seriously don't know what to say to that. My sister was in an abusive relationship and I could never forgive him for what he did to her, not in a million years. I think I'll be using that ignore button again.Vague insults into the ether are not helpful. Engage properly or just don't bother posting. It's not helpful.
To sit there believing you know the whole story is genuinely foolish thinking. There’s more to those tapes than has been released. The recording was bad but if the CPS thought they had the evidence they’d of prosecuted him without the girl as a witness. A sad situation but his girl has since forgiven him and we have to practice forgiveness at some point whether it's at Man utd or elsewhere.
@moses I accept my mistake and apologize.
Well at least he's not feigning some moral dimension. Had he had the balls to do that sooner I'd have slightly more tolerance for what he posts. It's the lurking in the shadows element of his proactivity that jars.
What bit of being a well paid professional footballer is not getting a second chance?
What you are arguing for is not a second chance but no consequences.
It's all good, you're entitled to argue your point but if you do it into the ether it's not in the spirit of debate or discussion and more akin to the judgement you seem to be against.
Again, absolutely nobody is claiming to know the whole story. You are making things up to argue against. Surely that's the sign of a weak hand?
You're deciding people are not entitled to make a decision on the data that exists. But they are, almost all decisions we make are only based on data to hand.
Don't want to engage in the whole debate just want to comment one thing - the reason, we have institutions handling accusations and misdeeds is that societies at one point decided it would be the best to lay those matters into hands that aren't susceptible to emotions. Your description about a family member makes sense, I can totally see your point and noone would ask you to forgive him for anybody else but yourself. Forgiveness works in both directions, when you have made your own experience, I'm sure you know that this anger is taking a toll on you as well.Jesus
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