But what are these reasons you want Greenwood back that are not applicable to Ronaldo? You can deflect, but you are being vague and evasive for some reason.
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Bingo, it's quite transparent really. Furthermore, taking a contradictory stance and yelling hypocrite (a tired and desperate tactic repeated in this thread) will also probably add credibility to holding a position of wanting Greenwood back (in that poster's mind).
This post should be stickied or act as an auto-reply to those who use the "we don't know all the context" argument to justify his return.
If we kept Greenwood at the club, we wouldn’t suffer so much with Hoijlund being injured now. Greenwood can feck off for all I care, only if we aren’t so lacking competent strikers now.
Indeed. If this was United 07/08, feck outta here you bastard. Alas... Imagine if Antony was just decent, I'd have half the amount of posts in this thread.
I agree with that. Problem is we don't create many chances anyway... Especially against the big teams.
In terms of being a pure winger he wouldn't change our team much tbh. I'd still play Garnacho over him on the right he's more of a threat, a couple of clips of him running in the Spanish league won't change that. Pellistri looks a different player over there as well.
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Please, show me where I yelled hypocrite at anyone, apart from using it ironically back against the very poster who accused me first of trying to yell hypocrite (I can't remember if it was you?)
I haven't been vague at all on the topic. I thought the post in this thread where I first mentioned Ronaldo explained the reasons, however if it didn't I have done the hard work for you to search through my older posts in order not to have to repeat myself over and over again (these posts all came after the charges were dropped and after United's statement about him not being guilty of what he had been accused of following the internal investigation):
Edit: In addition, I feel like Ronaldo got away with it simply because he's rich and famous and extremely talented meanwhile Greenwood much less influential than Ronaldo has been battered within football and outside for what he presumably did. I think if he has been cleared to move on, then let's not treat him any worse than we treated Ronaldo, so I would not mind United giving him the chance to redeem himself here. Probably if the club had done the sensible thing at the time for Ronaldo I would understand that those are the club's values, so Greenwood's accusations here mean he's done. Unfortunately, it wasn't the case, I don't like the weaker person being made an example of, when the outcomes of both cases are practically the same.
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You hypothesized that i might be embarrassed about supposedly "being happy to sign up Ronaldo". You only made that point to highlight what you judge to be hypocrisy.
Hypocrisy has been one of the main strawmen used to justify Greenwood returning, repeatedly, over the 300+ pages of this thread.
I just don't buy the reasons you are giving to justify welcoming Greenwood back and supposedly not holding the same stance for Ronaldo. It makes no logical sense, unless you think that two wrongs make a right. Because Ronaldo got away with it, you think Greenwood should too? That's what it comes down to as far as i can tell. Otherwise you wouldn't begrudge Ronaldo his chance at moving on/redemption.
I agree with this. I also agree with @Davicho's comment that at sometime forgiveness or having 'served your time' has to be enough.
I'm sure that there are people working in, say, all the major supermarkets who have be found guilty of bad crimes, but those businesses are not hounded by the press.
They wanted to hang Uber out to dry for employing someone who had been charged with something like sexual harassment and said that Uber should lose their license. Again, I'm sure that there are high street shops that employ people, quite rightly, with similar or worse crimes but those companies aren't a target of hate in the country.
Its not just couple of clips though he has been doing that for weeks game after game. Issue will be work rate which right now is piss poor, instruction or otherwise.
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People only see the good clips mate. He'll play a whole game and make one run like the one about 2 pages ago and that's what will go around social media. I wonder how many people are actually watching his complete performances and are sitting down watching a 90 minute Getafe game on a Saturday evening. I watched the last Getafe game, he was meh. As meh as Rashford has been for us. He probably has had some good games for Getafe this season but this overhype is getting too much. Last game he was not good at all.
You can make a comp this season of Rashford that makes him look like he's been brilliant...
I am saying it on the back of watching around 15 Getafe games this season. He has not been at his best overall in last couple games.
Ok and you think after seeing his overall performances he'd completely change our team and the way we play ?
I was just saying those clips of him running at defence and beating players inside out has been more of regular occurrence than anomaly. It needs more than one player to change the way we are playing right now but those quality on the ball will add something that we are missing.
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It’s in the past. It’s not relevant to what the club does NOW
Yeah, we saw the pictures and heard the audio.
Even if this is true, none of it is a surprise.
ETH would definitely welcome him back and I've no doubt Greenwood would rather be playing in Manchester. Ultimately it's all on the club to make a decision.
Like us or Barcelona will be opening a door for him.
This has been my suspicion from the beginning when ETH tried to bring him back before the Crafton article, and why Arnold phrased his explanation of the loan in a way that would allow for himself (or his successor in this case) the flexibility of bringing him back once the loan is over.
We have a new contender for weirdest post in this thread !
If he actually wants to return I would actually be surprised if SJR didn’t bring him back into the fold. It’s what the club wanted to do initially based on their own investigation and then backed out last second to leave it to INEOS to handle the PR of it all. To me, it’s all lining up for a return. Just curious how they will navigate appeasing the vocal minority, or maybe they just don’t care. I think they need to offer clear reasoning but I don’t expect them to reveal too much details into the personal life of Greenwood and his partner.
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If you think him drawing parallels to other abusive individuals posing for a happy family photo is the weirdest post we’ve seen here I’m concerned.
I have to admit that I haven't watched any Getafe games but note that he is currently nominated for La Liga Young Player of the Month, ready won Getafe POTM and the likes of Griezmann have been talking him up so he must be doing something to impress out in Spain.
Honestly I have no clue why that photo is posted here but then I've missed most of the last few pages, I'm pretty sure it has absolutely no relevance to anything to do with Mason Greenwood though.
Without going into that detail, and allowing their rationale to be intensely scrutinised, there is no 'clear reasoning' whatsoever.
It'll be 'he's done his time' amid a carefully crafted public relation campaign via client journalism culminating in 'it's time to move on'.
I'd wager serious media outlets won't follow it up, either. We'll get a snide article in the Guardian, but it won't be long until the 'football comes first' and MG's behaviour normalised.
A crying shame our club is really willing to vindicate it, but there you are.
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You notice how 'people will think whatever they want to' is the closing salvo?
People have received hard evidence of Mason Greenwood's abuse and no mitigating evidence to justify any of it.
But it's all filed under 'who knows?'
Bitterly shameful.
Bingo! But also
the point being anyone can post a load of happy family pictures. Bit it doesn’t always post a picture of what’s been happening behind closed doors
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Snitches get stitches.
What a shock that you feel that way.
THIS. Whatever is posted on social media never paints the full picture of what is truly happening behind the scenes. There is not context. It’s all procured. Makes ya think
NOT THIS! But that works both ways, right? No one on here knows what happened behind closed doors but it seems okay to assume one way but not the other.
Edit: This is just an observation, my thoughts on the matter are so far my own.
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Yeah, I recall I said that out of annoyance at your hypothesising about my reasons for discussing Ronaldo. I really didn’t mean to call you out for anything whatsoever.
Fair enough, mate, you're free not to accept my reasons. However, Ronaldo can’t talk of redemption when his victim seems to still be unhappy by the outcome of their case to this day.
And I don’t disagree with that one bit. I’ve been taken away from my initial point by posters repeatedly misrepresenting my comments. Actually, I brought Ronaldo up in a discussion (with Wibble, I think?), where I was trying to argue that it’s very unfair (to say the least) to accuse anyone who wants Greenwood back or has any sort of sympathy for him of being a bad person, or even that they only want him back for his goals and assists.
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There are literally people in this thread that have said that they don’t care what he did, they only care about football. Personally I don’t think that they are necessarily a bad person but that there is something very wrong with that view. At best it’s naive, at worst, its very cold.
Well if people are going to post in his defence that pictures of them looking like a happy family are proof that he’s matured, then I can retort that at one time the Wests looked like a happy family at first glance too
Yes, and to be clear, i am not embarrassed at all - i have no reason to be. Also, my disdain at using hypocrisy as an argument in favour of Greenwood's return is directed broadly, not specifically at you, because it has been used dozens or hundreds of times in this thread and i don't see it as a valid argument for reasons explained ad nauseum.
This answers my question more directly than your other posts did. You treat the Greenwood and Ronaldo situations differently because the victim outcomes are different, and you perceive that Greenwood's victim had a more palatable/favourable outcome (hence you are more amenable to Greenwood returning). I can appreciate your POV, despite fundamentally disagreeing with it.
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