Mason Greenwood | Officially a Marseille player
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Yep but again the fundamental point keeps being missed time and time again, people are talking like hes was convicted, been in prison and whether utd should be offering him a contract on his release.
I have no interest in him coming back, the club is a circus enough and I dont think Greenwood has the right mentality, personality or maturity to be a long term utd player. I think there will be other 'drama's' and we"ll be here again.
I think he should be sold and build his career away from this country, but not because I think hes done it or not, because trial by redcafe, other platforms and the media have already decided he has.
That will never go away and I can only imagine the posts when has a bad game.
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We can but we have to keep 20% of his posts on the CAF.
I agree it's extremely shallow, and deliberately so. Football is too useless and inconsequential to handle matters of such societal importance.
It isn't hard to imagine the reason.... money.
date a regular person.... date a rich footballer.... work a regular job... never work a day in your life.
People do more for less.
I disagree, it's a potentially super platform. Football fans have a voice, the lack of depth is in that voice unfortunately. It's people, no point hiding behind 'football' as some abstact entity.
People forget, even in the western world until a few generations ago, arranged marriages by the patriarchs of the family or tribe were the norm, often to the detriment of those being married, but beneficial to the family. Possibly even a dowry.
It was normal to effectively sell your child for your own gain, and people haven't changed that much in a few generations.
It is possible, especially after seeing the father's first tweet, that the family of the alleged victim also pressured the alleged victim to drop the case, for their own benefit
Quite literally nobody is saying that.
Absolutely. And once again, it's everybody else's fault.
Not the fault of the guy who told us he "made mistakes" that led to this situation. Not the club for the shockingly bad mismanagement. But the fault of people who saw the evidence and question it and will always continue to do so because the guy who started this and the club are hiding the answers away.
You know, the same fans that the Glazers and club famously listen to.
I said 'talking like'... .
Yep, I guess it all comes down to respecting difference of fans opinion cause ultimately the only people that know for certain is Greenwood and his girlfriend.
Ive read him being called a rapist, hardly questioning.
Yep the evidence is out there but its clearly not enough that the CPS felt could lead to a conviction, and clearly not enough that the evidence could stand on its own irrespective of whether those involved wanted to retract their statements or not.
Given the profile of the case and the cost, even more so.
Im sure there are people on here with a better understanding of the law, why wasnt it taken to court based on it being in the publics interest and safety to do so even if she or others are saying he didnt do or say it?
CPS have still got to think there’s a reasonable prospect of a conviction.
Which then leads me to think the evidence we all seen, was the weakest part of the investigation?
"A court heard last October a central plank in the inquiry had collapsed only four months after Greenwood was arrested. It is understood that police and prosecutors initially decided to continue with the case because of the significant level of public interest, given Greenwood’s high profile and the seriousness of the allegations.
But a review of the case by CPS lawyers has concluded that there was no realistic prospect of conviction given the collapse of the case."
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...ors-drop-alleged-case-against-mason-greenwood
And here goes the circle again where conveniently parts are left out depending on the side.
I think it’s a combination of that, the fact there was new evidence (rumours suggest a longer/fuller video which maybe changed the context) and witness withdrawal (presumably his girlfriend).
In isolation, I think everyone including CPS thought completely clear and would get a guilty verdict. But if new evidence casts doubt on it (and key witness withdraws), you can imagine Greenwood’s lawyers would be able to create doubt (as a minimum). If the CPS felt that that doubt would be considerable and unlikely to get a guilty verdict, they’d pull out.
(*Note the thinks and rumours. I don’t know)
Our negotiations team not improving shocker!
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Yep, it certainly looked that way and something clearly significant changed the direction of travel of the investigation.
Can he be recalled and sold this transfer window?
Or that.
While I get the temptation to bring him back based on his ability alone, putting morality aside for the sake of football is the sign of very twisted priorities, in my opinion.
I've supported and loved this club since I first started watching football as a kid, but would not support any team with this guy playing. I'm sure there's plenty that feel the same, and likely plenty more that disagree.
I don't see an issue with selling him on though personally, if there's a market out there. Is that a moral issue? Maybe, but I see that as the right side of the line.
I've supported and loved this club since I first started watching football as a kid, but would not support any team with this guy playing. I'm sure there's plenty that feel the same, and likely plenty more that disagree.
I don't see an issue with selling him on though personally, if there's a market out there. Is that a moral issue? Maybe, but I see that as the right side of the line.
While I agree with what you have said, this is a young kid. We all make mistakes. He is now married and has a kid of his own. What about a second chance? He will be ridiculed everywher he plays, but then so was Beckham. It all depends on how well he can handle that.
i want him back playing for us next season
He’s not married
Hang on. Is he a kid or does he have a kid, make up your mind
Grim.
How on earth are you comparing this situation to Beckham?
Why does he need a second chance?
That makes no sense.
The man was 19 when it happened. The age of criminal responsibility in the UK is 10. That means nearly half of his life, at the time, he was responsible to know that his actions were attempted rape.
Calling him a kid partially justifies his actions, like he didn't know the consequences. He is an adult, he should not have said what we all heard him say.
I was not comparing what he did to anything Beckham did. Read the post carefully. I was comparing possible reactions
The reactions are for different reasons though. It will be totally different with Greenwood.
You are right but Beckham was crucified and handled it very well. He did have Sir Alex behind him all the way. How would it be for Mason?
You are making a complete nonsense comparison.
It would be a 100 times worse, comparing a sending off to the current situation is nonsensical.
This thread has got me thinking: apart from Greenwood and the suitability of ETH to continue as United manager, what other divisive topics do we have as a fanbase? It seems we have the most divided fanbase in the Premier league.
It isn't a nonsense comparison at all. Beckham got dog's abuse. Greenwood most likely would too. The circumstances surrounding both are completely different but the reaction will be just as heated, if not more so. The mental strength of the player would be tested.
This is my last word on the subject. Again I was not comparing the actions of Beckham and Mason, I was trying to gauge the reaction of fans (both United and away) to Mason playing agin for United
Yes, it is a nonsense comparison due to the circumstances of why they received the abuse.
I assume the poster was talking about the heated public reaction and the mental strength required to get through it. Therefore the circumstance is irrelevant. An angry mob is an angry mob.
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