Mason Greenwood | 2023/24 Performances | on loan to Getafe

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He was shoehorned in on the right to fill a space in the squad. He was always going to be best as a #9 in my opinion in the long term.

He fits the inside forward off the right role more than a 9 IMO, I seen him developing into a two footed Sarah.
 
I never got any bad vibes from Cavani re Greenwood up until his suspension (i.e. until he was clearly disgusted by the material made public and visibly upset about the company he had been keeping and investing in).
Greenwood and Cavani had a connection and you could see Greenwood learning from him. The contrast between Greenwood's relationship with Cavani and his relationship with CR7 was very clear.
 
I don't remember, how did that happen? How did Cavani display his disgust with MG?
It was a question from a reporter here during an international break. He didn't actually say anything, just sort of nodded in disbelief and brushed off the entire line of questioning with that.

For more than a decade he has always worn his heart on his sleeve. His values are clear, keeps banging on about god, counting his blessings, etc. His first marriage failed after a teammate banged his missus. He moved on and never said a word about it despite training and playing with that guy for another couple of years. You could always see the contempt on his face though whenever they made eye contact.

So yeah, the gesture was enough to know his thoughts on the matter.
 
Greenwood and Cavani had a connection and you could see Greenwood learning from him. The contrast between Greenwood's relationship with Cavani and his relationship with CR7 was very clear.
I agree, that's why I said the point on them not getting on was wrong and why I referred to his investment in Greenwood. He usually signalled to him about how he should have read certain movement. Not pissed off but as a teacher with an apprentice, and it was clear Mason listened to him.

It was basically the diametrically opposite relationship to the one they had with Cristiano.
 
He's not like Salah though, he's closer to RvP, or Robbie Fowler.
one of the reasons he stood out so much was he is actually very unique. I struggle to really think of a player he compares to play style wise. Just felt like his skill set is more valuable from an inside forward role.
 
one of the reasons he stood out so much was he is actually very unique. I struggle to really think of a player he compares to play style wise. Just felt like his skill set is more valuable from an inside forward role.
I am not so sure, I think he lacks some things to play that role at the highest level.
 
I think the balance of that is horrible to be honest. None are creators, none are players who hold width well, rashford and Greenwood do their best work by runs in behind to get shots off and score goals. Hojlund is a traditional 9 not a false 9 so you don't want to crowd him out. You need width and creators on either flank like Bayern had with Lewandowski central. Can have a wide forward on one side but you want a proper winger on the other side. Garnacho might work long term if you want balance Greenwood, but if it's Rashford on the left then the closest we have to a functioning partner on the opposite side would be Antony. But he's meh. Amad is more a guy who drifts inside and is a playmaker, closer to mata.. So ideally I think we still need someone like Neto maybe. But the Greenwood hypothetical doesn't mesh with our team beyond being a backup to hojlund. I don't even think his potential as a wide player was ever that high anyway, where he once had elite potential was IMO up top, but who knows where that is now.
Fair point, perhaps there isn't enough creativity in there. Maybe a real creator in the #10 behind would help, but then you're asking the wide men to defend more than they're likely to want/be capable of.

I do agree that his potential at #9 was elite at one point. It'll be interesting to see how that turns out now.
 
He fits the inside forward off the right role more than a 9 IMO, I seen him developing into a two footed Sarah.
Perhaps. The two-footedness, long shooting ability and direct running he had would be well suited.

I'm just a sucker for a finisher as naturally gifted as he is being in the #9, especially with two equally ridiculous feet. He reminder me a little of Van Persie in style, one of my favourite strikers of the last generation.
 
Perhaps. The two-footedness, long shooting ability and direct running he had would be well suited.

I'm just a sucker for a finisher as naturally gifted as he is being in the #9, especially with two equally ridiculous feet. He reminder me a little of Van Persie in style, one of my favourite strikers of the last generation.

I think he may be a bit too light to play the CF role going forward and long term I do see him as more of an inside forward despite his finishing ability and all the other things you noted.
I do think that hold up play and physicality is such a pre requisite for a number 9 in modern football and very much like Rashford, I just dont see Greenwood as that type.
He is a more natural number 9 than Rashford but still, more of an inside forward IMO.
 
From the Guardian today

“One player who will not be part of United’s plans next season is Mason Greenwood. The 21-year-old joined Getafe on a season’s loan in the summer after it was decided he should continue his career away from Old Trafford at the end of a six-month internal investigation into allegations against the striker, and the club will stand by their decision not to make him available to Ten Hag.”

"Greenwood’s Manchester United contract runs until 2025 but he will not be permitted to reintegrate into the squad after his loan at Getafe, leaving the club open to selling him next summer."

Will this mean an end to so many of ye on this thread getting giddy after every tap in, or half decent cross?

Or are you all #masonfans4life?
 
From the Guardian today



Will this mean an end to so many of ye on this thread getting giddy after every tap in, or half decent cross?

Or are you all #masonfans4life?
To be fair either way the people who made this decision may not be at the club for much longer.
 
From the Guardian today



Will this mean an end to so many of ye on this thread getting giddy after every tap in, or half decent cross?

Or are you all #masonfans4life?

I don’t get the conclusion that we will sell him. If we refuse to play him, then we have no bargaining position. We will either be loaning him out again or letting him leave on a free. There’s no prospect of us getting any money here.
 
What do you see him lacking?
He's not that technical or creative, if you don't have that then usually you need to be really fast, which he is not. He's a really good finisher, a top one, and pretty good at other stuff but not stand out.
 
I don’t get the conclusion that we will sell him. If we refuse to play him, then we have no bargaining position. We will either be loaning him out again or letting him leave on a free. There’s no prospect of us getting any money here.

If there's only one club after him then yeah, i think that club will be in a strong position. If there are several then they'll be competing with each other to get there first, which they'll have to do by agreeing a sale with Utd first.

But yeah, it's not going to be £50m
 
He's not that technical or creative, if you don't have that then usually you need to be really fast, which he is not. He's a really good finisher, a top one, and pretty good at other stuff but not stand out.

His finishing is the only attribute I'd say puts him well above the majority of players. In other things he's good but definitely not world class.
 
His finishing is the only attribute I'd say puts him well above the majority of players. In other things he's good but definitely not world class.
Salah flattered to deceive at the same age (and with more years of continuous football development behind him). MG's not a dead-cert to go another level or 2 up, but if he gets to play consistently, ideally for a better footballing side and with top=end coaching, within the next 12 -18 months, there's a non-zero chance we could see him performing at close to Salah levels once he hits his mid-20s.

Also, to what people have said, 12 months is a long time in the news cycle and potentially brings with it a radically different football leadership structure at the club...
 
Salah flattered to deceive at the same age (and with more years of continuous football development behind him). MG's not a dead-cert to go another level or 2 up, but if he gets to play consistently, ideally for a better footballing side and with top=end coaching, within the next 12 -18 months, there's a non-zero chance we could see him performing at close to Salah levels once he hits his mid-20s.

Also, to what people have said, 12 months is a long time in the news cycle and potentially brings with it a radically different football leadership structure at the club...

Although you're right of course about Salah, I bet there are 20 players who flattered to deceive in their early twenties, and then continued flattering to deceive for the rest of their careers, for every late bloomer like him.
 
What do you see him lacking?

From what I saw before Jan of last year, he seemed more suited as a sub and wasn’t yet a consistent full time 90 minute type player. Not a big deal given that Ole made a decent career being regarded as a super sub.
 
From the Guardian today



Will this mean an end to so many of ye on this thread getting giddy after every tap in, or half decent cross?

Or are you all #masonfans4life?

You guys just antagonise each other for no reason. The club said he’s not expected to feature for United again - so that should be the end of it. All these back and forths and “masonfans4life” jabs are just so pointless.
 
You guys just antagonise each other for no reason. The club said he’s not expected to feature for United again - so that should be the end of it. All these back and forths and “masonfans4life” jabs are just so pointless.

This is Pogue we’re talking about.
 
Salah flattered to deceive at the same age (and with more years of continuous football development behind him). MG's not a dead-cert to go another level or 2 up, but if he gets to play consistently, ideally for a better footballing side and with top=end coaching, within the next 12 -18 months, there's a non-zero chance we could see him performing at close to Salah levels once he hits his mid-20s.

Also, to what people have said, 12 months is a long time in the news cycle and potentially brings with it a radically different football leadership structure at the club...
Salah was always a very good dribbler, always good technically, he just didn't have the end product.
 
From what I saw before Jan of last year, he seemed more suited as a sub and wasn’t yet a consistent full time 90 minute type player. Not a big deal given that Ole made a decent career being regarded as a super sub.
Sounds like you just described Garnacho, 18-19 year old players tend not to be consistent full time 90 min players
 
Sounds like you just described Garnacho, 18-19 year old players tend not to be consistent full time 90 min players

Yes, although Greenwood was significantly more effective in terms of goals at a similar age. Had his progress not been interrupted, he would be much further along by now.
 
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Mason is a more accomplished finisher at this age than Marcus probably ever will be simply because he has the ability to finish with both feet....marcus does not

the only advantage Marcus has over Mason is pace
 
Salah flattered to deceive at the same age (and with more years of continuous football development behind him). MG's not a dead-cert to go another level or 2 up, but if he gets to play consistently, ideally for a better footballing side and with top=end coaching, within the next 12 -18 months, there's a non-zero chance we could see him performing at close to Salah levels once he hits his mid-20s.

Also, to what people have said, 12 months is a long time in the news cycle and potentially brings with it a radically different football leadership structure at the club...
Salah was physically miles ahead of Greenwood too. Based on Greenwoods conditioning now, he will never get in the same physical condition, unless he visits the Bayern doctor...
 
Greenwood's intensity/conditioning was definitely one of the weaker parts of his game. It's only gotten far worse with 2 years without any sort of playing. He looks very thin now, too.

His two footed playstyle and striking technique/finishing were top level. His dribbling ability was very good. Don't really think they alone will salvage his career, though.
 
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