Nope. Expensive in a few areas of the country. The price a pop is just insane. People can’t go to the cinema willy nilly at those prices.
Film Martin Scorsese - Marvel movies are 'not cinema'
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Haven't read prior posts but Scorsese is bang on the money here. Marvel Movies and most super-hero stuff is absolute garbage. There are some exceptions but they are few and far between, imo.
I do love Superhero movies for the most part, even if DC movies haven't been great and Marvel has now fell off.
But my biggest issue, is most people under the age of 25 have been raised in the MCU era, and unfortunately don't recognise actual great movies.
All over social media youngsters are voting for superhero movies as the greatest movies, and many comments stating that the likes of Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas etc are boring. Kids are wired to only enjoy endless action and their favourite superheroes fighting against bad guys.
But my biggest issue, is most people under the age of 25 have been raised in the MCU era, and unfortunately don't recognise actual great movies.
All over social media youngsters are voting for superhero movies as the greatest movies, and many comments stating that the likes of Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas etc are boring. Kids are wired to only enjoy endless action and their favourite superheroes fighting against bad guys.
This is such a boomer thing to bring up but smartphones have decimated their attention spans. There just isn’t any way for a “normal” movie to provide the relentless dopamine squirts that TikTok etc have conditioned their brains to crave from entertainment.
You're annoyed kids find goodfellas and pulp fiction boring?
I do wonder what it was like when the likes of indiana Jones and terminator werecoming out, as they werent the true greats like the sound of music or the good the bad and the ugly.
Them movies were an example.
I have seen many classic movies that are all time greats and up there with the best, constantly getting dubbed as boring.
There is nothing wrong with having an opinion, but kids these days are of the opinion that Infinity War or Deadpool are better movies than The Shawshank Redemption or The Godfather is quite alarming.
I have even seen Episode 1 and 2 of Star Wars being voted as better than Empire by thousands of people. Yeah we don't know the ages of the voters, but when many comments are justifying them as better because of better CGI and better Jedi fights, with Empire being old, then you can kind of gauge the ages of the voters.
No one in their right mind could think any star wars film could possibly be better than Episodes IV-VI, especially as Episode II had Hayden fecking Christen in it.
I don't think you are wrong at all. Tik Tok and shorts on other platforms are definitely having a negative impact on the development of children's brains, and also impacting adults.
I know! But there are plenty of Reddit and Youtube polls that suggest otherwise.
This is because many youngsters only deem a movie as good, if they have good quality CGI, special effects and action. It is similar to the superhero genre, they only want to see endless light saber fights.
We watched Taxi Driver together with about 15 colleagues in the cinema I worked at once. They were mostly in their twenties. Only four of us watched until the end. The rest found it too boring. It was a disheartening experience.
Yep and I think you are correct to assume it is a younger demographic that shares such views, as we know both reddit and YouTube skews to the younger side.
I used to love the light saber scenes in the original films, and that is because they were used...quite sparingly.
Flashy action ruins the plot and the newer versions of star wars films fail because they don't emphasis quality writing.
I’m coming up against this stuff all the time, as a parent of teenagers. It does make you wonder about the future of the human race.
The vehemence with which they refused to engage with the movie was so disappointing. And Taxi Driver isn’t exactly an impressionistic art movie. It’s just a little old.
They should have put someone playing Subway Surfer in the corner of the screen.
I don't think thats new. I worked in a video shop 15 - 20 years ago, people had terrible taste then too. Random dumb comedy / action movies would go out every night for months and months and months. Oscar winning drama's would get rented about twice in total.
I strongly suspect most people dont actually like movies and are just looking for a distraction for the evening. If they cant show up an hour into the movie and immediately start enjoying it and be able to follow then it wont get rented in most cases. Its wasn't even close in terms of numbers, it was probably 30:1 or so.
I strongly suspect most people dont actually like movies and are just looking for a distraction for the evening. If they cant show up an hour into the movie and immediately start enjoying it and be able to follow then it wont get rented in most cases. Its wasn't even close in terms of numbers, it was probably 30:1 or so.
Hayden was done dirty by that script/direction.
Might very well be the case. Many people don’t really care about any kind of sophisticated art.
Taxi Driver feels like an odd choice to use against people's taste. I like the movie but it's very of its time - gritty 70s drama - and I can understand why people wouldn't want to engage with it, especially given its focus on a largely deplorable character.
People want to blame the younger generation and technology. But in Taxi Driver De Niro takes Cybill Shepherd to the cinema and her attention span is so bad she leaves before the film ends.
Actually a good point
Id rather watch Infinity War, Captain America: The Winter Soldier or the first Jurassic Park than any of those movies like godfather or pulp fiction
Find the latter boring and a slog to watch.
Yeah but she wasn't watching Taxi Driver, to be fair.
I never went to film school. If I had, I would have definitely used a word like 'meta' to describe Betsy and Travis sitting down together to watch Taxi Driver.
Tbf I say film school but it was one class a week in a classroom where a bin bag had replaced a broken window. We watched the classic 2000 remake of Charles Angles about 50 times.
against teenagers taste, since the issue is them liking Marvel movies more than classics such as Taxi Driver. like it was ever different with kids.
my favourite directors are Kurosawa and Bergman. at no age in history is your average teenager choosing them before Indiana Jones, Predator, Star Wars, whatever, and the same goes with Taxi Driver or Apocalypse Now. nothing to do with Marvel or Tik Tok.
plenty of older people watched romantic comedies in pre-smartphone era, and they're as stupid as your latest Marvel movies.
people in general overrate themselves and their taste.
I talked about people in their twenties, though. And it’s not that they didn’t like it better than other stuff. It’s the complete unwillingness to engage with the movie at all.
However, I do agree that this could ver well be normal. It’s still disheartening.
Big time this. The cafe is notorious for it.
Well all of them are very good films, the point is, more and more younger people are ignoring classics and great movies because all they went is constant CGI and action.
Not sure how you think Pulp Fiction is boring though.
Speaking as someone who is still (just) in their 20s, I would say there has been a declining interest in movies overall because TV series are a more enjoyable way to spend an evening/weekend. A 10 hour series allows for more scope for character development rather than trying to squeeze a plot into a 2 hour film.
15 years ago, I preferred movies over TV because the latter often suffered from a lack of quality acting (perhaps due to budget constraints back then), but Breaking Bad was the turning point. That seemed to conicide with me (and everyone else I knew at the time) subscribing to streaming services. Now I very rarely browse for movies on Netflix etc. And I'd say I now only go to the cinema once or twice a year.
I can't speak for the generation a decade younger than me though. If I were to guess, TikTok hasn't completely messed with their attention span. I reckon a lot of them can still happily sit down and watch something for an hour and a half, but prefer alternative content such as podcasts.
15 years ago, I preferred movies over TV because the latter often suffered from a lack of quality acting (perhaps due to budget constraints back then), but Breaking Bad was the turning point. That seemed to conicide with me (and everyone else I knew at the time) subscribing to streaming services. Now I very rarely browse for movies on Netflix etc. And I'd say I now only go to the cinema once or twice a year.
I can't speak for the generation a decade younger than me though. If I were to guess, TikTok hasn't completely messed with their attention span. I reckon a lot of them can still happily sit down and watch something for an hour and a half, but prefer alternative content such as podcasts.
Yeah I agree with you but it's also the point I tend to make against TV series when I'm telling people why I don't watch much myself. I feel like I get my character fix from books so I don't really care for that aspect of TV. For movies I tend to appreciate I like how it's more about feeling - dare I say expression? - of the overall point so the shorter duration actually makes things easier time-wise.
Neither is superior nor inferior as far as I'm concerned, just different. TV has come on leaps and bounds over the years.
The other interesting point is how movies no longer have a big social focus, like how people would specifically make time to watch them with people. That's all TV now
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I think it's because I didn't watch those movies growing up so they just seem dated to me when I try to watch them
Same for the original Star Wars
How old are you by the way? Pulp Fiction came out in 1994, watching that in say 2010 is like watching a film now from 2008.
Born 1994 and only tried to watch Pulp Fiction last week
Born 1994 and only tried to watch Pulp Fiction last week
Born 1991 and that's my fave film by a mile. Must have watched it 15 times.
I'm not even sure what is cinema at this point. Most action or high budget films are an incoherent mess with irritatingly dumb lead characters.
Don't get me wrong they were never master pieces of story telling, but they did used to flow more nicely from beginning to end and not have every on screen actor being loud and incredibly thick all the way through.
Films seem to be longer but it often feels like they've cut half of it out or shot it all then tried to piece it together into a story afterwards.
Marvel has gone through this transition now. The newer films are such a hard watch and don't even bother to explain how things get from A to x̌ without ever going through B, C, etc..
I blame tiktok and youtube influences. Both of which have made this kind of meaningless visual noise accessible to younger people.
Don't get me wrong they were never master pieces of story telling, but they did used to flow more nicely from beginning to end and not have every on screen actor being loud and incredibly thick all the way through.
Films seem to be longer but it often feels like they've cut half of it out or shot it all then tried to piece it together into a story afterwards.
Marvel has gone through this transition now. The newer films are such a hard watch and don't even bother to explain how things get from A to x̌ without ever going through B, C, etc..
I blame tiktok and youtube influences. Both of which have made this kind of meaningless visual noise accessible to younger people.
I don't think there's any big difference in quality among the big budget action films (or other big budget films) compared to, say, 25 years ago. There's always been bad films with stupid characters (whether it's action, horror or whatever). I feel what you're decsribing is Marvel films, and they have more or less always been like that.
It's hard to find good films these days. Maybe I'm not looking in the right places but it seemed like in the 2000s every year had some good films, even the early to mid 2010s. It seems a lot more sparse now.