Martial | Di Marzio thinks he will stay

You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Losing Martial is going to be one of the consequences of needing to balance out this squad. We need consistency in every department.

I'm a huge fan of Martial and it'd be a shame to see him leave, but we can't be arseing around anymore. We have a big task ahead of us in the league and in Europe.

I just don't see how he fits in.
 
Jacko21 said:
You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.

Losing Martial is going to be one of the consequences of needing to balance out this squad. We need consistency in every department.

I'm a huge fan of Martial and it'd be a shame to see him leave, but we can't be arseing around anymore. We have a big task ahead of us in the league and in Europe.

I just don't see how he fits in.
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Well, we are actually more balanced when he is on the field. Our problem is that we don't have solid starters on the right and in the middle.
 
pascell said:
I said months ago that I think we'll put Martial in a swap deal for Bale. Would be a really, really poor deal on our behalf.
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I don't think Jose is foolish enough to fall for the Bale scam. He'll probably end up back with Spurs in a swap deal for Kane.
 
Mahrez would be perfect fit for us to play a left footed midfielder on the right. Works hard, has a good cross and a bit of flair.
 
JPRouve said:
For me he has been good when fit but the media have a different opinion, they have been on his back the entire season.
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He’s been a CAM this season hasn’t he? He can play anywhere across the front line can’t he?

To be fair, if Martial leaves, a player like Bailey or even taking the risk on Sessegnon to play on the right might not be a terrible idea. It’ll provide something for our right wing.
 
Mourinho ruined Redcafe, every transfer is a swap deal now.:lol:
 
When you look at the way we played yesterday and the individual performance from Sanchez, I don't think Martial can blame anyone but himself. Our front three must have changed positions about 10-15 times across that game and their fluidity to play all three forward positions was instrumental in causing one of the best defences in the league a huge amount of problems. Each of Lingard, Lukaku and Sanchez pressed as a striker and tracked back as a winger; the effort, the movement and sheer quality was brilliant from all three and it's what I want to see from Martial but he just doesn't seem interested. It get's thrown around a lot but he's incredibly lazy. KDB is the best player in the league and he never stops working, why should Martial be excused from his responsibilities in both attack and, more importantly, defence?
 
ovoxo said:
He’s been a CAM this season hasn’t he? He can play anywhere across the front line can’t he?

To be fair, if Martial leaves, a player like Bailey or even taking the risk on Sessegnon to play on the right might not be a terrible idea. It’ll provide something for our right wing.
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He has been best as a CAM but due to injuries and sometimes lack of form from others, he has been used on the left and right too. And yes, he moves around a lot, he always tries to be on the ball.
 
JPRouve said:
Well, we are actually more balanced when he is on the field. Our problem is that we don't have solid starters on the right and in the middle.
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I think our best team is the one that played yesterday and with Lukaku moving out to right on a regular basis, we managed to achieve the balance that we've missed all season.
 
JPRouve said:
He has been best as a CAM but due to injuries and sometimes lack of form from others, he has been used on the left and right too. And yes, he moves around a lot, he always tries to be on the ball.
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Thanks. He might not be a bad player to try and bring in to keep a fluid front 3.
 
Di Maria's angel said:
I think our best team is the one that played yesterday and with Lukaku moving out to right on a regular basis, we managed to achieve the balance that we've missed all season.
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We weren't really good yesterday, in fact neither team were particularly good at attacking. Yesterday we had defensive balance and that's about it.
 
Sanchez had a good game in the FA cup semi final but Martial had managed a better performance at the same level.

He assisted our first goal and scored the second (winning) goal in the semis when we won the FA cup 2 years ago while being younger than Sanchez and playing in a worse team.

Either people have such short memories or are deliberately shitting on Martial while peddling falsehood.

 
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Wednesday at Stoke said:
I don't think Jose is foolish enough to fall for the Bale scam. He'll probably end up back with Spurs in a swap deal for Kane.
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Daniel Levy wouldn't be that stupid either.

PSG or Juventus. Thats my preditction for Martials new club this summer. We should get a good price for him too. Hes a talented lad but not got the drive for a Jose team.
 
Gbenger said:
Sanchez had a good game in the FA cup semi final but Martial had managed a better performance at the same level.

He assisted our first goal and scored the second (winning) goal in the semis when we won the FA cup 2 years ago while being younger than Sanchez and playing in a worse team.

Either people have such short memories or are deliberately shitting on Martial while peddling falsehood.
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It's the answer you want. Yesterday's game was collectively good because we dominated defensively and we have been more efficient than Tottenham but it was far from a good game offensively.
 
A for comebacks, Martial was involved in all the comebacks we had this season whenever he’s playing.

When we were a goal down against Newcastle at home, it was Martial who scored the equalizer.

When Chelsea took the lead against us at home, it was Martial who assisted Lukaku to get the goal.

The only comebacks we had that Martial wasn’t involved in were the ones in which he wasn’t playing. So how could he have been involved? Then we have people coming up with hypothetical statements of what Sanchez did that Martial wouldn’t do.

Overall, Sanchez playing well is being used as a reason to bash Martial and I think that’s unfair.
 
JPRouve said:
We weren't really good yesterday, in fact neither team were particularly good at attacking. Yesterday we had defensive balance and that's about it.
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You are not allowed to state truth like this whenever we win. You’ll be labeled a moaner or something similar.
 
pascell said:
You never know, Bale on his day would elevate our attack into something more special than it could be, his problem is his body isn't up to it anymore.
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If his body isn't up to it you'd expect the club and Mourinho to be aware.
 
JPRouve said:
Well, we are actually more balanced when he is on the field. Our problem is that we don't have solid starters on the right and in the middle.
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Balance as in a more natural winger. Martial is a striker, not a winger.

There is an inconsistency about Martial that we just can't afford.
 
Gbenger said:
A for comebacks, Martial was involved in all the comebacks we had this season whenever he’s playing.

When we were a goal down against Newcastle at home, it was Martial who scored the equalizer.

When Chelsea took the lead against us at home, it was Martial who assisted Lukaku to get the goal.

The only comebacks we had that Martial wasn’t involved in were the ones in which he wasn’t playing. So how could he have been involved? Then we have people coming up with hypothetical statements of what Sanchez did that Martial wouldn’t do.

Overall, Sanchez playing well is being used as a reason to bash Martial and I think that’s unfair.
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Martial is a good player no doubt. But to be fair we can't put him in Sanchez's class just yet and that is despite Sanchez having a dip in form. But more importantly, the key in this Martial debate if I may call it so, is whether or not he is a good fit for United at this point in time and when I say a good fit, I mean is he happy? Is he ready to bleed red? Does he see his future in United? Is he willing to bid his time? Does he see the manager as someone he can work with?

I really have my doubts. He deserves a good playing career and I wish him the best but if he does not see that future he dreams of at United, he just has to move on. Whether people love him as a player or not, it simply comes down to this.
 
How much money would Klopp need to give you for Martial? We have some money lying around and are desperately in need of another brilliant striker/winger next season. I'd rather Martial than Lemar.
 
Dumbstar said:
How much money would Klopp need to give you for Martial? We have some money lying around and are desperately in need of another brilliant striker/winger next season. I'd rather Martial than Lemar.
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Straight swap for mane
 
United_We_Stand said:
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As much as I hate the prospect of letting him go, it's hard to disagree with Jose's reasoning here. This team is in desperate need of a left footed attacker that can cut in from the right and also cross.

I've mentioned it already but if there's a chance of a deal with Barcelona for Dembele it would improve us. Other than Dembele, I'm not sure of any other left footed wingers that we can bring in that would improve us more than Martial.
 
To be clear though, Martial is rejecting a new contract. Jose is not selling him. Martial has made the decision that he won't/can't fight for a place in the Utd team. Given that, don't get why Jose is getting all the flack. We want fighters, not moaners.
 
prath92 said:
Straight swap for mane
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No way I'd do that. Basically, there is no chance we sell to them and I'd say no chance Martial would go there. If Juve etc are interested then they'll be his priority.

I'm still hoping he stays. Two days ago people were saying they'd rather see Sanchez leave. One game later and Sanchez is a nailed down starter and there's no way back for Martial. If Sanchez doesn't improve going into next season then questions will be asked.
 
We need a right winger but I don't think it should be at the expense of Martial. We should do everything to try and convince him to stay, the biggest teams have several options and he can play as a winger and CF. If he is determined to leave then very little we can do but wish him luck.
 
I'd sell to Juve for a smaller fee if we can install a buy-back.
Hope Jose makes it clear to the player that he rates him but his hands are tied and he will be following his progress.
Or I'd sell for Dybala with cash included.
 
He's a class act, and will be a top player, it pains me that we're going to let him go. Genuinely think he's our best attacking player + is still v young.

Sanchez has had 2 good games? Maybe 3? Not exactly more consistent than Tony. I still think our issue is the RW (basically finding a Robben like player who can cut inside and actually cause problems down the other side)
 
Juve take lots of players on loans or buy back clauses. I find no problem in doing that if he really wants to leave and Juve really want him.
 
Gbenger said:
Sanchez had a good game in the FA cup semi final but Martial had managed a better performance at the same level.

He assisted our first goal and scored the second (winning) goal in the semis when we won the FA cup 2 years ago while being younger than Sanchez and playing in a worse team.

Either people have such short memories or are deliberately shitting on Martial while peddling falsehood.
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It is just pure redicalous using a game as a judge of a player and that goes for both martial and Sanchez.
World class players should be judged over a few years of top class performances not the odd few games coupled together.
There are lots of average players that have an outstanding season in their career but world class they ain't!!

I don't think anyone is peddling falsehoods about martial they are just saying what they see.
What I see is a player who plays like he is half arsed, with no great intensity or desire to get involved in the game if things are not going well and a real one trick pony.
Can't play on the right, has no great movement off the ball, slows the game down too much, lacks intensity when pressing or tracking back after loosing the ball, but guess what he can dribble and beat a man occasionally.
 
We should try to sell him to Juve and try to put a buy back / first option clause in his contract even if it would mean us getting 10 or 20 million less.
PSG won't be buying him, they are trying to deal with FFP and are looking to sell Guedes
The only other team who needs a winger is Bayern and I hope he doesn't go there.If he does go to Bayern, then we would have no chance if buying him back if he becomes good.
Juve are a selling club if the right money is offered.
Wouldn't mind Martial + 50 mill + 20 Mill in bonuses for Dybala.
Sad to see him go, hopefully we would replace him with a player that suits our style if play
 
Dumbstar said:
How much money would Klopp need to give you for Martial? We have some money lying around and are desperately in need of another brilliant striker/winger next season. I'd rather Martial than Lemar.
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You're not getting him.
If he's going it better be away from the England.
 
It’s increasingly obvious that Mourinho bought Sanchez to directly replace Martial and having he and Rashford battle to be Sanchez’s backup - which would lead to both players getting fewer games than they need - wouldn’t really serve anyone in the long term.

It’s a shame. He could be a cracking player.
 
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