Really, the player of the season 19/20?
Martial agent looking for a new club for him
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It wasn’t very long ago that Martial was my favorite player at United. Now I find myself struggling to care about this once we replace him properly.
I’m tired of being sentimental with our staff. If you don’t deliver you should be evicted. We need to be more ruthless.
I’m tired of being sentimental with our staff. If you don’t deliver you should be evicted. We need to be more ruthless.
Name some of the plenty of clubs though, because I can't think of them.
Of course he's available for £60m! That's pretty much what Grealish costs who's twice the player. We've be fecking mad to turn that down.
You do realise there is an ongoing pandemic and there hasn't been any fans in stadiums for over a year right? You do know that is a major source of income for 99% of clubs in existence?
Martial had a bad season and I'm not completely against selling him but we aren't going to be signing a striker so this makes me a bit concerned we could be weakening the squad. It's pretty much just Mason as back up for this season if we sell Martial which weakens our options on the right (I assume Amad will have more of a role this season to make up for this but still a bit worrying)
Stalled from what? His first game? He was unplayable at times the season before last. That would suggest progression. Injuries have taken their toll this season however.
Yes. Even with that good season, he's barely pushed on since his first year here, and flatters to deceive more often than not.
This is HUGE recency bias.
He's had one good half a season in 6 years. The rest he's been living off his 'potential'. At some point you have to accept that the good season was the anomaly, not the average ones
You're crazy if you think anyone could get Grealish for £60m. He isn't going for anything less than £100m (def won't be going anywhere this season)
If Sancho helps unlock Martial I'll be over the moon, I'd LOVE to see him be a huge success here. I just don't truthfully believe it'll happen.
This is pure bs. Calling it now, Martial to have a better season than Sancho.
Ole asking for a target man does not mean he wants rid of Martial. The two aren't mutually exclusive.
This would be my preference tbh. I think Haaland is obviously our top target next season. That would be the ideal time to move Martial on. We look very bare up front if we sell Martial this season imo.
Feel free to elaborate on the current economic state of most clubs in existence. You clearly know more than the clubs themselves about their finances this coming summer.That's incorrect but never mind.
And Grealish would cost a lot lot more than £60m.
One can hope.
Do you have a credible source for this? Because this just seems like another made up reason to hate the guy.
I find it really strange how posters are so quick to believe anything that they read on Pogba and Martial and use it as a stick to beat them with, especially considering how the media love to manipulate stories around United players.
Lingard and James are even worse though. Why even mention them. An off form Martial is still better than those 2. Lingard is going to be sold as he had been on loan at West Ham. If we want to progress we can't keep Lingard and even Daniel James. Rather Amad Diallo got given a chance
Thats an idea. Money + Martial for Haaland. Martial is a solid part exchange option
Much as i would love him to work out here it makes sense.
As a wide forward he's not getting games. Rashford, Greenwood, possibly Sancho and/or Grealish. He's not starting ahead of any of them.
As a striker, which is what he wants to be, he's obviously not good enough. Flashes here and there but he can't do it consistently enough to get that position. Even when fit he's on the verge of being benched by a 34 year old Cavani.
As a wide forward he's not getting games. Rashford, Greenwood, possibly Sancho and/or Grealish. He's not starting ahead of any of them.
As a striker, which is what he wants to be, he's obviously not good enough. Flashes here and there but he can't do it consistently enough to get that position. Even when fit he's on the verge of being benched by a 34 year old Cavani.
We shouldn't sell Martial right now. Maybe in a season time. We need depth in attack. Cavani can't play all the minutes and a healthy competition for the rest of the playing minutes between Tony and gunman Mason should yield better results. Tony could also play on the left wing, so that should give some extra time for some of the youngsters to be protected from too much pressure (unlike Januszaj and Rashford, who had to step up at early age).
When next summer comes around he'll still have 2 years left and should be on the back of a better season than last, still commanding decent transfer fee. And bring a replacement then.
However if he's found a club willing to pay £60m+ during this window I would gladly open the door for him on his way out.
When next summer comes around he'll still have 2 years left and should be on the back of a better season than last, still commanding decent transfer fee. And bring a replacement then.
However if he's found a club willing to pay £60m+ during this window I would gladly open the door for him on his way out.
It’s an indication of the type of No.9 he wants - Martial does not fit that profile, therefore, he needs to compromise on style.
We don’t really know the truth but the idea that he might want rid of him isn’t that ridiculous - I’m just saying signs are there.
The media are really running with this idea Ole is not happy with player x attitude in training...hehe total bollocks but if it makes there job easier for a few days then why not.
Agents always look for new clubs for the clients, it’s either for contract extension or wage increase. That’s what they are paid for by the client. The client can just focus on their football while agents take care of their career. That’s the basic idea of agent. They advice/suggest, it’s then up to the players. Martial has serious competitions at the club. It doesn’t take a genius to come out with this story.
You think he wanted Haaland as a backup? You think he signed Cavani as a backup? That’s a no on both counts for meOf course
Ighalo was but the other two weren’t.
I don’t really get why people are surprised at the thought of this happening. He hasnt developed as well as he should have and he’s spending time injured every season.
Should have been offloaded ages ago.
That's not completely true though. Mourinho quite obviously didn't like him yet Martial forced his way into the starting line-up two different times through out-performing his competitors.
15/16 - Good season
16/17 - Poor season. Moved to a new fulltime position on the left, playing under a new manager who obviously didn't like him, stripped of his shirt number, and having a very messy break-up with his ex who was making it public. All as a 20yo kid. Greenwood just had quite a similar season (at least until the final month or two when he finally started kicking into form) and he 'only' had to deal with the issues with England at the start of the season.
17/18 - Was comfortably outperforming Rashford for the position on the left, but Mourinho kept favouring Rashford for far too long. Eventually even Jose had to install Martial as first choice. Despite being our best performing attacker at the time, once Sanchez came in he got moved over to the right (where he's never been able to play) and never got a run of games again.
18/19 - Started the season in and out of the team again, had a few great games and a few stinkers (which was still performing better than Sanchez). Finally got a proper run when Jose was about to be fired and (along with Pogba) pretty much single-handedly kept him in the job for a couple of extra months. Second half of the season he was in and out of the team through injury and illness.
19/20 - Great season.
20/21 - Dreadful season.
So I think it's unfair to claim he was simply struggling with the competition of Zlatan and Sanchez. He was having to deal with a hell of a lot for a young player in the first case, and in the second he wasn't given the chance to compete for way too long. At other times he happily competed with Rashford and Sanchez and beat them both. This season with Cavani is really the first time where it's accurate but the hope is that it was a one-off and may or may not have anything to do with Cavani.
Overall it was two good seasons, two seasons where he was good when he actually got a run of games but didn't get to show whether he could maintain it (through no real fault of his own either time), and two poor seasons. So while he's definitely been inconsistent it hasn't been as bad as you made out.
The biggest issue for him with Cavani’s signing isn’t that Cavani has given him competition for that position, it’s that Cavani had demonstrated in the absolutely starkest terms just where Martial is lacking.
When you have a 34 year old not only using his nouse and experience with clever movements but also busting a gut from the first minute to the 90th minute to hassle, pressure and develop opportunities for himself and his team mates, it really shows up what a static, low energy player Martial is and we don’t have space in the team for that sort of player anymore.
Why ? To educate you on modern day football, i've got better things to do on a Saturday , let's just agree to disagree and get on with our Saturdays eh
But I will leave you with this to do your own research if you care, compare this against other 30-40m pound transfers in last few seasons and realise why asking for 40m is not insane.
Plus you never answered my question, how much do you think he's worth ?
2015/16 - 11 goals , 4 assists
2016/17 - 5 goals , 6 assists
2017/18 - 9 goals - 5 assists
2018/19 - 10 goals - 2 assists
2019/20 - 21 goals , 6 assists
2020/11 - 4 goals , 3 assists
Nail on the head.
Absolutely. He’s not worth the time or the effort at this stage.
Nonsense.
Nailed it.
That basically sums it up for me. I know what I personally want from a striker after a season of watching Cavani, it was a real wakeup call to what we've been missing for a very long time. Martial will never be that player.
Every time he's had senior competition brought in his head has dropped, while other players in the same boat have resolved to learn from them and compete. His mentality is extremely poor.
Do it now.
Despite all this having been obvious for years, can’t wait for the thread about how people want him back every time he scores a goal.
Bring back Zlatan even now and he will offer way more than what Martial ever offers.
This would happen if Phil Jones left I expect, this place loves a whinge.