Is Ander considered a 'ticking bomb' as well because he got sent off twice as many times this season?
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Is Ander considered a 'ticking bomb' as well because he got sent off twice as many times this season?
Oh Cox, you thought by showing bottle I meant the clash of heads? How wrong you are, Cox.
Is Ander a squad player though? I think that he's an excellent deep lying playmaker whose being asked to adapt to a new position. That's not an easy thing to do. Unless my memory is playing tricks on me, I can recall that even Paul Scholes got his shares of red cards before he was able to settle from Stk to CM.
We had ticking bombs in first team, people like Keane for example. However they brought more to the table then chest control and funny hair.
The argument here is somehow different. Is it worth keeping a ticking bomb, whose being paid like a 30m panic buy and whose squad player at best?
Great post that.
It's true that some people have different expectations for players based on nothing. Pogba is supposed to Messi-esque and is hammered for the slightest mistake while some people are willing to say Fellaini played a good game even though all he did was stupid fouls all the game. He couldn't make a single pass forward and even in long balls was useless. He was a heavy liability through the whole game and one of the most obvious reason we were losing possession all the time. City targeted him for high pressing and it work efficiently. The guy despite his "claimed" physicality can't cope with pressure and easily loses the ball under pressure.
He was doing nothing. He didn't succeed in pushing the team forward. Couldn't win any important aerial dial. Couldn't cope with their pressure and over all of this he's fall easily for Aguero's trap to lure him to the red in the most idiotic and irresponsible way possible. Doing such a stupid thing in front of the ref in such an important game. What an idiot he's ! insane. Aguero knew he the easiest target to lure him for the red and he was right and it worked.
This guy can make one or 2 good games from time to time but there's no doubt we can do much better than him. There are thousand average midfielders in the world who will do his job better than him and even more.
It's not the point of getting "red card". It's the idiotic way of getting it.
You mean for whom we've paid 30 milis 4 years ago? How is the price even relevant now?
Yeah, we should definitely upgrade on Fellaini and I'm not even trying to discuss that, but come next season we'll be in 4 competitions again and we'll need bodies here, Carrick's future still isn't clear, so yeah, he'll be here next season unless Carrick stays/we buy 2 midfielders.
He lost his shit just like Herrera did against Hazard. He was already on a yellow, one of ours is getting a talk to for another foul on Hazard because he milks it all the time, game is started again, Herrera fouls him seconds later, gets second yellow.
He does offer something different and has his uses against certain opponents. But i'm wondering if we can't get another player who offers us those same things but also offers much more in general and offers more against all opponents. He's not a defensive midfielder unless given a specific marking job on a target man like vs Burnley, he isn't good enough on the ball or with his passing to play in midfield for a team with title aspirations. And he is pretty ineffective as a plan B when chasing games. He only has specific uses.
I do like him but he is very inconsistent, i don't know if thats down to him or often being misused at times. But even when he's on form, for him anyway like he has been the last few games i can never really decide if that level of performance is good enough even as a squad player for the level we are trying to get back to.
Herrera lost nothing. Both were normal fouls you saw every game and. He didn't headbutt an opposing player in front of the ref, though. And even if we assumed that Aguero was acting and initiated the contact then Fellaini fell easily for his trap in the most idiotic way possible.
Ive defended Fellaini for the most part since the away game vs West Brom in LvGs first season. He was tremendous in the false dawn under LvG that spring until he got sent off at Hull for trying to kill Paul McShane. This season its been frustrating at the start ofthe season seeing him being picked but as the season wore on its pretty obvious that he was being picked because Jose wanted him to play a certain role and that he could be trusted to fulfill his orders.
The Everton game was a fiasco and he did pretty decent since then.
Last night though was just stupid, he actually did pretty well at winning the ball back at times but then ended up losing it straight away
The red card and at this time of the season will seriously piss off Mourinho though and I wouldn't be surprised for that to be the final nail in the coffin.
Still have a funny feeling he will do something wonderful in the Europa League for us though.
The Everton game was a fiasco and he did pretty decent since then.
Last night though was just stupid, he actually did pretty well at winning the ball back at times but then ended up losing it straight away
The red card and at this time of the season will seriously piss off Mourinho though and I wouldn't be surprised for that to be the final nail in the coffin.
Still have a funny feeling he will do something wonderful in the Europa League for us though.
Agreed. The dude is a really bad footballer to the point a 6 performance from him gets talked about as if he had a 9 performance. We won't progress to the levels we must with mediocre players like this. "b-but he can control a ball with his chest" right?
The problem is not the fee. That is lost forever and in today's football the fee is hardly relevant anymore in the great scheme of things. The problem is his salary. Fellaini is a 30m panic buy who was meant to be a key figure in our team. His salary will, most certainly, reflect that. Do you think he's worth the salary we pay him?
In my opinion the question should change from 'if we should sell Fellaini?' to a more appropriate 'How far should we go in our bid to get rid of him?'. Both Napoli and AC Milan came close in signing him a year or two back but they couldn't afford his salary. In matter of fact they expected us to pay some of his salary ourselves. That is, in my opinion, unacceptable.
Mourinho has figured out Fellaini; he isn't used as a 1st choice central midfielder anymore. He is either used as a battering ram against physical teams or an option using the long ball. Hererra and Pogba are his preferred central midfielders; he only gets playing time in central midfield because of our lack of options and even then he is put higher up the pitch where he can act as an outlet rather than in key areas.
Fellaini plays an important role in the team; I wouldnt mind if he stayed here as long as we get reinforcements in midfield. Fellaini had a bad game today but it is indicative of a larger problem. LVG was using Fellaini as a pivotal central midfielder because he is good at following instructions; he was very rarely used to his strengths. Fellaini has clearly been used this season similar to how he was used at Everton; a second striker or no.10.
Make your mind up.
Fact is you were right the first time, he is being used as we don't really have other options.
He does an ok job for us, but we should just fix that issue in the summer and get rid.
This diving and play acting when not really hurt has to stop.
Doing this to ensure a player gets disciplined or to obtain penalties and the like should be stamped out. Serious punishment after the game if proven. It's a blight on the modern game.
I have been punched, kicked and forearm smashed and whilst this is not right I managed to just get on with it.
Aguero played fella like a fiddle, but whichever team and whoever it needs to stop.
It's pathetic all round...
Doing this to ensure a player gets disciplined or to obtain penalties and the like should be stamped out. Serious punishment after the game if proven. It's a blight on the modern game.
I have been punched, kicked and forearm smashed and whilst this is not right I managed to just get on with it.
Aguero played fella like a fiddle, but whichever team and whoever it needs to stop.
It's pathetic all round...
Disagree, tbh. Problem with Fellaini is you'll have problem with him in almost any position he plays in. As a DMF you'll got problems with his zero awareness and stupid tackles, in CMF you'll got problem with his atrocious forward passes. In SS he'll force you to change the style of play to long balls to suit him, hurting all his teammates with this and hurting our play style.
He's just no suited for us. His problems exceed his benefits. We can do much better than him and find better squad players in the marked in any position he plays in.
He's simply not good enough with the ball at his feet to be included in a top football team. That's why all his faults are unforgivable. Needs to go.
Fellaini deserved the red card. But anyone remember this?
Mourinho talks a lot about trusting his players and after getting needlessly sent off last night, at a time when we're threadbare in midfield, will be the beginning of the end for Fellani. It's worth noting that Mourinho sold Balotelli for getting sent off when Inter only had him available as a striker. Obviously not the only reason but Mourinho wasn't impressed.
I have made my mind up; Fellaini provides physicality and a focal point, he is an option with 10 minutes to go when we are looking to nick a goal from a long ball or set piece.
It'd be nice if Fellaini was replaced by someone better but it isnt the end of the world if we get reinforcements in midfield.
Fellaini is fine if used as an outlet with 10 minutes to go against physical teams. He isn't that high up on our priority list; we are desperate for a goal scorer, our midfield is thin and our defence is ravaged with injuries. Rather than replacing Fellaini i think its better to phase him out of the team and relegate him to a plan C.
Agree on this if we couldn't afford getting a replacement for him due to our need to rebuild the attack. He should never be even a plan b player.
Doesn't matter what you're referring to BigTime - my point still stands.
He's a novelty act, a wild card the manager always has to throw out there. Average as he's been, he's fit in with the team the past 4 seasons because the average technical ability of the team had sunk unimaginably low, as had expectations of what is deemed a satisfactory performance. A manager knows Fellaini is both a safety blanket (throw him on and lump it up) and an excuse (we need to go get more quality).
I wasn't that upset with him last night as nothing he did was out of character. Throw your wild card out there enough and you're bound to get the good, the bad and the ugly at some point. My bigger problem is that he represents a lower standard of quality and expectation, whether his supporters want to admit that or not.
I wasn't that upset with him last night as nothing he did was out of character. Throw your wild card out there enough and you're bound to get the good, the bad and the ugly at some point. My bigger problem is that he represents a lower standard of quality and expectation, whether his supporters want to admit that or not.
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The 'people are just jumping on Fellaini as it's him' is just lazy and flat out incorrect.
This isn't the first incident with him and he's been lucky in many games to avoid red cards for blatant (intended) elbows since he arrived at United in 2013.
His performances this season haven't been bad and yesterday I thought he was comfortably United's best midfielder (which doesn't say much for other two) but let's cut the shit okay? He's a walking, talking afro-wearing grenade.
The fact is, he's not good enough to justify that side of him.
This isn't the first incident with him and he's been lucky in many games to avoid red cards for blatant (intended) elbows since he arrived at United in 2013.
His performances this season haven't been bad and yesterday I thought he was comfortably United's best midfielder (which doesn't say much for other two) but let's cut the shit okay? He's a walking, talking afro-wearing grenade.
The fact is, he's not good enough to justify that side of him.
Clumsy but I would keep him.
Exactly.I will always be against having Fellaini in our side and would prefer if he did not get a new contract but the truth is, he has not had a bad season. He's done the job asked of him whenever he's played so I think my issue is more with Jose than him.
What you say about the "Imaginary scales" is pretty spot on. As soon as he got the red card, my whatsapp football group was inundated with comments like, "That's it! Fellaini is so shite, we need to sell him right now!"
Which is pretty mind boggling when you consider nobody (in my whatsapp group) has made any complaints about him since he got back in the side a few weeks ago yet this one moment is suddenly meant to be the "final straw".
The same happened with Smalling against Middlesborough. It's almost like fans sit there just waiting for one single mistake so that they can pounce and express all their pent up hatred for certain players
The same happened when Fellaini gave away that penalty against Everton.
I think they call it 'confirmation bias'.
Back in the real world, managers such as Mourinho don't let these rare incidents 'tip a scale'. He either likes what Fellaini generally offers or he doesn't.
And he obviously does. The only way he wants Fellaini to leave is if
1) Fellaini himself wants to leave as he has a good offer on the table and wants to get away from fans that treat him unfairly
2) A very generous offer comes in for him
3) Mourinho adds players to the squad to the extent where he sees little to no use for him
To my mind, option 1 is possible with 2 and 3 being very unlikely.
That's because it's true. It was in character. A few weeks without disaster is not enough of a defence. He has a poorly timed foul or mistake in his locker at all times. Football is a game decided by moments, of either genius or stupidity and that's how most players are defined. The criticism for Fellaini on the back of yet another moment of stupidity or clumsiness is warranted. The only real virtue from our team last night was discipline, and because of him that might have all been for nothing. Sometimes the mob is correct.
Thing is we have a problem of overpaying literally everybody in the squad. First XI, squad members, deadwood like Jones whonis constantly injured for the past 3 or so years. We can afford it though, even if me and you disagree with how the club handles the financial matters, whether it's fees or salaries.
Fellaini is no different in that matter.
There's a difference between lowering your head to someone and headbutting someone. Fellaini lowered his head & Aguero charged into it, bouncing back like he'd just gone head first into a brick wall and bought Fellaini the red. That being said, Fellaini shouldn't have lowered his head and given him the chance to do this. Either way, even though I'm not jumping to crucify Fellaini over the incident, I would be interested to hear someone put forward an argument for him making it into the midfield of any of the top 10 teams in Europe.
Do you often lower your head into another persons?
It's hilarious to see how people interpret the incident differently. Now Aguero charged into him? Why is it so hard to call something what it is?
Well I have my doubts on that TBH. Sure we can afford having the highest salary bill in football. But with barely any trophies to show for it, its naive to think that the Glazers arent asking questions about why we keep inflating this already bloated wage bill instead of getting rid of the players we've already got. These guys may have as much knowledge about football as the Nevilles do but they aren't stupid. In matter of fact, we've been targeting the high earners for quite some time now (ex Bastian, Falcao, RVP) and I can see us continue with that exercise (Rooney? Ibra? Young? Fellaini?)
In my opinion, I think we'll be trying to offload Fellaini again. Whether we manage or not is open to discussion. If you ask me, I think we will fail. Fellaini is paid too much for what he brings on the table and he would probably prefer waiting and leave on free soon afterwards. We have a Bogarde situation in our hands.
Fellaini is over 6'3" & Aguero is under 5'7". Bringing his head down is paramount to raising your hand... whether it's a punch in the mouth, or a clip of the ear, you can't do it on a football pitch. Aguero is always going to hit the deck there, as would Lingard, as would Young, as would any amount of Utd players. Sanchez hit the deck when he caught a ball in the mouth on Tuesday night. This is modern football & Fellaini should know this.
Another thing annoys me about Fellaini is when Otamendi and Zabaletta were roughing up Rashford in the first half, I wanted a senior player to give them some back, let them know Utd are a team. Instead of giving some back physically, the game bypasses Fellani - as usual - and he lashes out idiotically at one of the smallest players on the pitch.
As fot him making it into the midfield of the top 10 teams in Europe... look closer to home, he wouldn't make it into any team in the current top 4 in the PL. He's a very poor footballer and it irks me that he's set aside from Jose's public crucifixion, like someone posted on here a while back, he's like an ill-fated vanity project for Jose. He got disposessed by Sterling and Aguero lastnite because he had to do more than chest and lay off, which is almost literally all he is capable of on a pitch... that and elbowing, fowling and headbutting.
That said, the fan boys will come barging out if we don't get 9 points out of the next 3 games claiming that he's a god send. Well, he's not the messiah... he's a very naughty boy.
Well I guess he will be playing in the Europa league semis now , makes line up predictions a bit easier so that is a plus from the sending off .
He got played and wound up yesterday.
still its unfair for players with a higher football IQ to exploit Fellaini's stupidity.
No matter how successful someone is or has been, they can still make bad decisions. Jose's no different.
Do you often misquote people? He lowered his head, he didn't lower it INTO Aguero's. Aguero pushed into Fellaini AFTER Fellaini lowered his head.
Couldn't give a feck what he does at international level. David Healy was great at international level ffs. Completely irrelevant.
Well the point was that the bar is so low for a Fellaini that a 'decent' performance from him would constitute as a poor performance from another player. Also, any decent performance from him gets blown out of proportion by his fans on here. You would swear he's been amazing lately with some of the comments in here.
He's simply not good enough at actual football and has to go.
Fellaini embarrassed himself by being so idiotic to fall for one of the most obvious ploys in the book but Aguero deserved a yellow card for both his play acting and aggressive approach to Fellaini and a complete lack of sportsmanship. If it had happened against anyone but United there would be widespread outcry over his behaviour.
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