We didnt need their goals to win but we needed him to not miss his mark and he failed which cost us a goal so it is his fault. Its not scapegoating. Blaming the players for not scoring is scapegoating when we still should have won even when they didnt score.
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Wouldn't we be better off with Andy Carroll if we want to hoof balls to a big man in the box?
There's one thing getting into a good position but finishing poorly. Especially if you have players like Pogba and Lingard who seem naturally poor in that regard or players like Martial/Rashford who're hopelessly lacking in confidence.
However there's a fundamental difference between being lacking in confidence and being grossly negligent in your basic responsibilities.
Our attackers are clumsy snipers who miss their intended target several times. Fellaini is the compound security guard who hopelessly and negligently let's the enemy in without question.
I really don't agree with that so we'll have to agree to disagree.
For what it's worth I blame Mourinho. Everyone knows Fellaini isn't good enough, especially coming off the bench to see out a lead. It was a terrible decision to bring him on.
He just passes to whoever happens to be beside him at any given time.
Careful, apparently they're nothing alike.
As you said in a way, the game should have been over at half time.
There was no need to bring him on and he lost Dedonker on the goal to boot.
Just another reason to get rid. He is the embodiment of failure and the last representative of Moyesian shite.
Release on a free ASAP.
Release on a free ASAP.
There was an instance where he passed the ball to Zlatan (who was less than 10 yards away from him) and got the ball back instantly from Zlatan. What did he do? Passed it back to Zlatan and ran forward into the box.
He's so limited and one dimensional it's almost cringy watching him play.
The thing that rankles the most is how there never seem to be any reprecussions for his poor performances. I usually err on Jose's side when he practices tough love with our underperforming stars, but Fellaini stands as a glaringly hypocritical exception to that ethos. He never gets frozen out when he plays like shit, or fails to track back for crucial goals, or clumsily costs us penalties in the last minute, or generally downgrades our entire style of play by mere virtue of being on the pitch.
I've no doubt whatsoever that his lazy marking tonight will have no bearing on his selectablitiy for Sunday. And that makes a mockery of the supposedly meritocratic treatment of the likes of Shaw, Martial, Mikhi et al. Hell, Rooney even!
And yes, some players need an arm round the shoulder, and that's fine for talent like Pogba. But when it's someone of Fellaini's skill set, he has to realise the cons massively outweigh the pros. What do we gain from trying to play Fellaini into form? It's wasted energy, that could be put to far greater effect attempting to get even a fraction more of out literally anyone else.
I've no doubt whatsoever that his lazy marking tonight will have no bearing on his selectablitiy for Sunday. And that makes a mockery of the supposedly meritocratic treatment of the likes of Shaw, Martial, Mikhi et al. Hell, Rooney even!
And yes, some players need an arm round the shoulder, and that's fine for talent like Pogba. But when it's someone of Fellaini's skill set, he has to realise the cons massively outweigh the pros. What do we gain from trying to play Fellaini into form? It's wasted energy, that could be put to far greater effect attempting to get even a fraction more of out literally anyone else.
I meant going up top because he's always a total liability in front of his own goal, even Jagielka said so on Sky a while ago.
It almost feels like Fellaini's general shiteness helps him get away with being shite.
So when a talented player like Martial or Shaw makes a mistake or plays poorly Jose gets incredibly annoyed and punishes them straight away because they should be doing better. Yet when Fellaini fails to track his runner or gives away stupid penalties or is just his usual oafish self well what can you do? Of course Fellaini fecked up! That's what he does.
I can't think of any other reason as to why Jose turns a blind eye to how bad Fellaini is.
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All I can think is that Jose takes some perverse pride in trying to "make something" out of our most unpopular, consistently demonised player. It almost seems like it's become some kind of misplaced vanity project.
No he couldn't.
No team that has Fellaini in the squad will ever see a CL final other than on TV.
Nail on the head
That is the mourinho way, kick the talent up,the arse and put an arm round the less talented but supposedly hard workers. If better players were as lazy and pathetic as fellaini was they would be benched or missing from the squad altogether as well as publicly slated but fellaini will probably start on Sunday and might even be captain again!.
Mourinho has to find a way to get more out of the talent though because that is the only way to take the club forward, trusting likes of fellaini will get him nowhere and his outcome as Moyes and LVG. Dross like fellaini will always do as they are told but they aren't good enough no matter what they do.
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Kind of similar to when José signed Falcao despite his poor spell at United. It was almost like he trying to show that he can fix a player, which of course was an epic fail. The man has a huge ego, who can blame him.
I hope (pray?) that its just reflective of the fact Mourinho doesn't really care about him. He'll use him whilst he's here, defend him whilst he's useful, and kick him out come the summer. I don't think anyone (including Mourinho) thinks Fellaini has another level he can go to so trying to coax that our of him is futile.
I've hoped for each of the last 3 Summers that the manager would come to their senses and get rid of him but it never happens.
I'm resigned to having him lumbering around Old Trafford for years to come.
@Jaybomb how many times do you see 4-0 or 5-0 away from home in Europe?
I can only recall us doing it once and that was under Moyes. Fellaini was brought on to defend crosses and long balls.
I can only recall us doing it once and that was under Moyes. Fellaini was brought on to defend crosses and long balls.
On the money. It's why when Fellaini has games in which he merely passes it successfully to the person next to him and wins a couple of 50/50s he's lauded as some sort of top performer. Somebody like Pogba, or even Herrera, is then fiercely criticised for not quite making that ambitious through ball, or for turning and passing back too much. The expectations are a lot lower for Fellaini than almost any other player in the squad, so much so that even the most shitty display (in which he is partly responsible for the goal we concede) is observed by some nackerjack as being better than Pogba's. It's baffling all round.
@Mockney is also spot on regarding Mourinho's handling of him. No matter what Fellaini does, he's seemingly back in the frame for the next game, meanwhile a poor thirty minutes could well remove somebody like Martial from the eighteen man squad. Or Shaw from the train there. Even Rooney, who I'm no great fan of, has been ruthlessly disposed of as a product of how he plays. Fellaini? He can do whatever the hell he wants.
We faced Rostov in the last round and they beat Bayern at their own patch this season. Anderlecht ain't lost in their last 7 meetings at home to English clubs.
He does end up on the bench quite a bit. So I'm not sure we can say he doesn't pay a price for poor performances.
So you don't think if any of the other giant clubs like Madrid, Barcelona or Munich were in the Europa League there'd be some high scoring wins?
Did well when he came on, got stuck in. Lost his man for the goal though we were all at sea on the flank and that kind of cross was ridiculous from that deep and right on the touchline. If he tracked his man through and the guy still put it in because he was running at space then the reaction would probably be the same.
That cross though
Can we bunk in some of those from the touchline 20 yards out onto Fellaini's head? Please?
Yeah definitely think you're onto something there, but that is all down to attitude.
That cross though
Can we bunk in some of those from the touchline 20 yards out onto Fellaini's head? Please?Yeah definitely think you're onto something there, but that is all down to attitude.
Are we at that level yet?
Also I just told you Bayern lost to a team we faced this season. Atletico Madrid beat them 1-0.
Real Madrid drew 3-3 with Legia Warsaw. People thinking we gonna go to away games in Europe and spanking teams 4-0 or 5-0 are deluded.
Did well, lost his man for the goal but we were all at sea. That cross though
How is that doing well then?
He came on and his only notable contribution to the game was being at fault for their goal.
No but when you ask how often do you see large wins away from home in Europe you have to consider the tournament we're in and how unusual it is for a club of our size to be in it.
We've got players capable of battering some of these teams away from home. We just haven't really performed in the tournament so far. One or two other results like the Bayern one doesn't change that.
Europa league is our level this season if any of them clubs where in this comp it would be their level too, and they would struggle but go through.
We will go through the tie and i would bet my full purse on us winning it but your argument is silly.
We had a kid at school. A real special kid right. Could barely spell his name right without any help. Then we had this kid who was so bright but a bit lazy. Easily an A or A* star student back when GCSEs were letters not numbers.
So kid A (the special kid) spells his name right once and the headteacher got called. Look at the independence. Excellent work kid A. Great job.
Kid B (the lazy genius) got a C on his mock English exam and got sent to the headteacher for not applying himself. Stern talking to about his future and what he could do if he applys himself later on in life.
Anyway kid A works in Tesco now and I'm, sorry, kid B is a teacher.
I hate when he puts on a Utd shirt.. Useless player .
He was to blame for their equalizer today, just let his man run right past him. I really don't know how's he's a professional footballer, let alone playing for us. His ability on the ball is poor, no tactical awareness.
Will any club be willing to pay +30 million for him ? This guy needs to be sold ASAP to prevent managers from using him . I said before our manager , whether he is LVG or Jose , looks at his hair , loses their mind and decided to play him.
His presence as a DM is just horrible , zero awareness of his surroundings . His movement in this position is rediculous and annoying. The guy's only strength is to receive long balls and this results in us playing horrible kind of football to suit him .
We'll never return until we chop him to any Italian team .
His presence as a DM is just horrible , zero awareness of his surroundings . His movement in this position is rediculous and annoying. The guy's only strength is to receive long balls and this results in us playing horrible kind of football to suit him .
We'll never return until we chop him to any Italian team .
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A case of compulsive BDSM practice. We urgently need to find out what the safewords are!
should be sold to West Brom or Crystal Palace imo. Really has no synergy with anyone else in the squad.
This is what I wrote few weeks ago. After further thinking, it may be better for him to leave. Players who divide opinions will always be in Fellaini's position-- blamed if they make mistakes (and rightly so) and being called "not good enough" when they do well. I respect his ability to deal with criticism, but at some point enough is enough. Over the weekend, Mourinho gave him the armband and some people acted like it's the end of the world. What's the point, then?! This won't change, and he won't suddenly become a great player. He is who he is; we either take it or leave it... it's our choice.
I defend Fellaini not because I don't recognize his weaknesses. I do, and he should NOT be a regular first choice at a club like Manchester United. I defend him because when our attack is not functioning---it's Fellaini's fault. When our defense is not doing well, it's his fault. I defend him because the claim that today's goal was "100% his fault" is just unfair. He SHOULD be blamed because he didn't do his job properly, but what about Darmian? What about our central defenders? In other words, criticize him, but recognize that he's not the only one to blame.
If he leaves this summer, I'll wish him good luck, and we'll move on... as we always did!
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