He should try luck in a different sport. This football thing isn't his thing.
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That's exactly why I like him!
He wasnt the reason we lost today, he won the ball a couple of times and passed alright - although it was a bit of strange sub, couldve understood for Fletcher but bringing off Herrera was a suprise
I dont particularly like to see us playing him at no10, prefer him to stay in mid
That's what makes me want to defend him.
I can't understand United fans with this attitude, loads of players have been poor over the years, I not seen anyone else get this much dog abuse and pretty much blamed for any poor performance.
Football fans usually get behind their nasty players and leave the bitch whining for the opposition. So what if he gets a bit physical - let the opposition moan about it and the ref deal with it if he see fit.
Gerrard is a much nastier bastard but I don't see many scousers bitching about that.
If I knew that we were going to lose then yes, I wished he saw red. Maybe he finally learn to play football the proper way or else such incident would convince VG to kick him out of OT
Rest assured that one day or another he will cost us big. He's got the unpredictability of Suarez - his talent.
Moyes should have been sacked for this signing alone.
First time I ever used the word and someone pulls me up on it!
It was actually code for fanny's/twats but I thought that might get me into trouble - is that not what people mean when they use? If not then most of my reading comprehension on forums has just gone to zero.
You're a "Frakki"
Football fans do not usually get behind nasty players especially if they are pretty average. The reason being that these players are loose cannons who can cost you alot. He only need to find some shrewd bastard who knows how to manipulate the dumb hairy idiot to do something silly at the right time and bam. He'll end up seeing red, United end up with 10 players and we can kiss a CL final or crucial win goodbye.
He's an average players brought up to play with average sides with no ambition. You cant have such players against the the shrewd players playing in the continent like Ronaldo.
he played in a premiership game, probably doesn't think he's league 2 level
CL Final
Why not? Aren't we one of the biggest clubs in the world? Shouldn't that be our ambition for next year?
Mind, the EPL is attracting more and more continental players. Rest assured that they will exploit Fellaini's nastiness to their advantage and it will only be a matter of time before he gets himself into trouble
Young ? Cleverley ? Valencia ? Fletcher ? Anderson ? Nani. Things is most of the players that under-performed today - Fletcher, Hernandez etc (who have been criticized in their threads BTW Fellaini's not an isolated case) have contributed positively to our success over the years. Fellaini has nothing to show for in comparison apart from the decent performances vs Palace, Weest Brom and the like.
Not when the player is a liability on the field from a disciplinary and tactical (doesn't mark his man, fouls unnecessarily, is pretty one dimensional) perspective.
Bit of a poor comparison IMO. Gerrard is a fantastic player overall that pulls some nasty antics from time to time while Marouane is a below par one that can't seem to control his appendages.
One can close an eye when the bastard happens to have talent. We closed an eye to Ince and Keane, Liverpool did the same with Suarez and Gerrard. One shouldn't do the same with average players such as Fellaini.
And yeah we've got alot of players who are not up to standards and should be kicked out of the club. However this happens to be a thread about Fellaini so we discuss him
Right so is ok to be a nasty fouling player if you are much better? that's ok then because I was just wondering why our own 'supporters' continually bitch about his fouling as if he is elbowing them.
I just don't understand why he gets so much stick - not found of him as a no10 myself but I like the idea of a tough midfielder.
There cannot be double standards, though. If say Mata was to elbow someone, whether he does it often or not, would you want him to get sent off?
It's just scapegoating, don't know how people are so blind to think that's not what they're doing, blatant scapegoating. There are 100s on this forum that maintain he's never played a good game for us, whatever about opinions that's something that just isn't reasonable
There's a difference between a tough midfielder and a thug. Its winning the ball not taking the man out in ways that can and should see you red carded.
Someone like Schneiderlin is a tough midfielder. Someone like Michael Brown (or Fellaini on a day like today) is a thug
If its a one off (which in Mata's case is) then the answer is NO.
Let me find you a better example. Back in 1997 I felt that Beckham was becoming too vocal for his own good and this would cost him in the future. I hoped that shit would hit fan in some meaningless game. In my head I had the perfect script. He'll retaliate in some league cup game, he'll see red and hopefully SAF would knock him back to his place. Unfortunately it didn't happened and Beckham had to learn from his mistakes in possibly the worst way ever (ie after the Simeone incident).
Same thing happened with Rooney vs Ronaldo.
And there's always double standards. Players like Rooney and Beckham has the necessary talent that made them worth investing time in and be patient even when they do mistakes (even when such mistakes are costly). Fellaini doesn't have that luxury. He's just an average player whose not worth wasting time on for him to 'learn from his mistakes'
You clearly dont if you think Fellaini is an example of a "tough" midfielder.
Ok. Well I suppose we'll have to agree to disagree. I just find it strange how a fan of Man Utd would like to see one of their players sent off, whether average or world class.
Do you have a habit of exaggerating or is it only a case of when you come in this thread? A player can be a PL player and yet not be "OK" enough for United. Him coming on today is more a case of injuries and lack od other options. LvG playing him does not necessarily mean he rates him as good enough. If he plays when all our transfer business is done and most of our players in his position are available then you can make that case. Right now you are clutching at straws.
Who said it's OK ? Please don't deliberately misconstrue the point. If you're a great player some of your indiscretions get overlooked. Case in point - Keane, Vieira, Ribery, Gerrard, Zidane - who could all be absolute douchebags at times if they so desired. Hell if you score 40 goals a season, people might even forget your racist, vampiric actions in the past - Like Suarez who received such acclaim from the media, fans and general public last season. In contrast to that if you're a poor player, the issues only get compounded because there's aren't enough positives to outweigh the negatives. In that case, not only are you a rather mediocre player but you don't also play the game in its right spirit. It;s a very relativistic point of view.
Harsh TBF. It's not cool to judge others and their quote support unquote over the internet when you have no idea who they really are. Can they not critique the players in their respective threads without the moral police quantifying their support ?
I believe the first paragraph addresses this a bit. He's :
1. Technically deficient. This can be compensated by being a busy body but as stated in 2. that's not the case with him.
2. Doesn't give his all (eg. vs Bayern when he was a prime culprit for Schweinsteiger's goal or today when he didn't track his marker for Gylfi's goal).
3. An absolute thug who likes to hack players right from his Everton days.
4. He's really one dimensional. The bread and butter move seems to be - pass to a team-mates and haul ass towards the goalmouth while abandoning your midfield duties.
He doesn't really have many redeeming qualities to make up for the flaws. No one likes to put down the players of a club they support. But this just seems to be a dead cause.
To the last bolded part, he'd not made for such a role. I believe if you down the 2013/ 2014 thread some valid points have been made against him being a central midfielder for United. His size is deceptive giving the illusion of being tough but the actual footballing performances don't back up the claim eg. getting out leapt by 5'7" Lahm. Still there's statistical evidence if you so desire in the the 2013/ 2014 thread as I stated before.
That said it's your choice. No-one's asking you to agree with their opinions. But by the same measure we're entitled to ours.
You seem to struggle with reading comprehension, you reply makes no sense with my post. I think it's better to leave it there.
"you reply" indeed.
Short term small loss for long term great gains sort of thing
Why is this fool still playing for us and stealing a living? Give Napoli the 15M to sign him. Yes, give them the money to take this sorry excuse of a footballer off our books
Things I still couldn't understand
1. What Fellaini offers for United
2. Ebola
3. Religion
1. What Fellaini offers for United
2. Ebola
3. Religion
It's not scapegoating. As I said, he wasn't the reason we lost today. But he was utter shit. As he has been in about 90% of games he's played for us. I'm sure he's a nice lad but he's way out of his depth at United and doesn't fit our style of play at all.
Absolutely!
He could play. No comparison.
Biggest problem with him today in my opinion was that he replaced the wrong player.
The big guy did ok when he came on. Stick he gets is shocking we should give him a chance.
He didnt really have any impact on the game, no better or worse than most of the other players, stupid swinging his elbow again but he must have impressed LVG to some extent as he seems to prefer him to Cleverley.
What is the deal with him, honestly? I was surprised to see him come on, but still was quietly hoping for him to have a decent cameo. Yet, he was poor. Didn't really do anything with the ball, was way off positionally, kept on running towards the opposition penalty area and then cost us the goal as well.
He is, like, our Andy Carroll. A beanpole but still can't win a header.
He is, like, our Andy Carroll. A beanpole but still can't win a header.
This is completely spot on. He isn't cut out as a player at United. His only defence is not many players currently but while the likes of Young can fill a role, I can't see Fellaini doing anything for us of note except being a Peter Crouch like nuisance at best.
He is crap.
Got abuse again going off the pitch today from a small fee idiots, didnt react too kindly to it either.
He done better today when he came on compared to fletch and herrera, he might not be the midfielder we crave but the abuse he gets is pathetic
He done better today when he came on compared to fletch and herrera, he might not be the midfielder we crave but the abuse he gets is pathetic
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