The wilson point is to show that you can't be judging performances on fifteen minutes of play. I even mentioned Mata but you conveniently ignore him...
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The wilson point is to show that you can't be judging performances on fifteen minutes of play. I even mentioned Mata but you conveniently ignore him...
That's pretty poor.
Damn I was wondering why Barry had so much space!
Fellaini hasn't been at the club for 15 minutes. Many posters on here have been saying for a long time that Fellaini is next to useless as a defensive midfielder and he showed that again today.
Exactly my point. He's being judged by his past (season) and not his performance today.
No, he's being judged on both. His cameo today unfortunately did nothing to prove a point to any of his doubters.
I'm seeing "He was _______ today" in most of the posts above so... yeah. And yes he did nothing to "prove a point". He's not bloody Zidane but a squad player who we shouldn't be criticizing for not setting the pitch on fire when the whole team was basically behind the ball.
Tbf, it was a small cameo, but I thought he looked really poor. He surely came on to provide some steel and cover to see out the game, and yet we endured our nerviest and least assured period. So whatever it was he was supposed to do, he didn't. Though to be honest, I never really have any idea what he's doing when he comes on. He spent half his time under Moyes playing in a sort of free roam false 10 role.
That's pretty poor.
Perfect GIF to illustrate why posters like me are pissed with Fellaini. Ball watches all the time, shows little spatial discipline, zero sense of awareness and there's just no energy in his play. Dudes who played 90 minutes are mentally alert and a man with fresh legs and a long break shows sloppiness when 1 goal would've been the difference between 4th place and falling further behind the likes of City and Chelsea.
To give him some credit, he can provide good lip service, evinced by his declaration of being United's new Keane :
I tell you what Roy would've done Marouane. He would've marked his man and he would've blocked Oviedo's shot, even if he had to get his face in the way, and cough out a tooth or two. How about starting from there pal ?
Can't see a place for him here, hope that he is gone in Jan. His arrival on the pitch is always a downer. Bit of a shame really, especially the reaction he gets from the fans and he just isn't good enough. Are short on midfielders but rather not seen Fellaini at all. Such a lazy player too, at least try.
That's pretty poor.
Thats standard Fellaini that. Has absolutely no positional or tactical awareness.
He's a lump of shit.
Was a daft game to bring him onto I thought. He's obviously desperate to impress/prove a point... and that just led to him charging around like a maniac trying to win the ball, when what we actually needed was a bit of control/composure.
He's natural position is that of no 10 in a team that plays direct football. He's not a bad player but he's not suited for us
As soon as he came on for Valencia I knew we would lose control. No matter how shit Valencia is playing as an attacker nowadays. But his ability to retain the ball, pace, strength, positioning and defensive nous are much much better than Fellaini's. That switch was as baffling as the one against Swansea when we brought that lump on for Ander. It cost us the game then and it nearly cost us today. I hope LvG is not stubborn and understands he is not what the team needs, ever.
The point is he is a friggin midfielder. And he has almost zero qualities to be one of United's standard. He was chasing shadows against an Everton game which played a midweek Europa League fixture in Russia. Valencia at least kept the ball and Blind was excellent with his distribution and recycling of possession. What exactly did Fellaini bring when he came on? He ran around like a maniac and was ball watching when DDG pulled off that save of the match!
Did you see how our "new Keane" turned his arse towards Oviedo when trying to close him down. What a clown!
Right, comparing an 18 year old in only his second senior appearance with a seasoned pro who has been with us for more than a year. Perfect.
Not my fault you can't read posts. I was comparing him to Mata as well because I was showing the time period in which they were playing.
Who here claims Mata had a good game? But he is given certain leeway as he is a world class player. Unlike that big lump.
Bench player at best. Daley Blind is already all over the pitch while this guy still looking for fitness and a smallest sign of his Everton form which never came to this day.
There was this one moment where he came charging out and past the man on the ball for no apparent reason.
He seems very clueless defensively. Seems always a step behind what's happening.
He seems very clueless defensively. Seems always a step behind what's happening.
He was very poor and looked lost, I know you have to take into consideration he has been out a long time but what stood out for me Today was how he plays with no intelligence, no awareness and no positioning That isn't going to change, it's just not his game, he needs to be allowed to do whatever he wants rather than expecting him to fill a particular role or do a job. We would need to reshape the whole side to accommodate him, make him a focal point and give him very little responsibility and seeing as that will never happen I don't see the point in him being here.
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Hasn't this been the case on countless occasions, with or without Fellaini, towards the end of games the last couple of seasons? Are people still living in a dream where United is a 90 minute rolling tank?
This.
Really poor cameo
Impossible to defend him anymore. He's showing nothing to warrant defending him. Unfortunate stuff really as I really wanted him to do well here - its obvious he's trying his best. Its just unfortunately not good enough whatsoever for us.
Only the caf could make Fellaini a major talking point of todays game....
How would he be a major talking point if the comments are just in one thread?
What can 1 say to 'well he didn't do anything wrong' putting it like that makes him sound good but in truth he didn't do anything so what could he do wrong. He came on the sure up the game, they created 3 chances bypassing the midfield with him present, we had to change formation so he could fit in better. Young Wilson had to play on the wing to accommodate him and as for Mata even though he didn't have a good game he got an assist and so he did do something unlike Fellaini.
When you can say and know the Fletcher is more useful as a squad player than Fellaini it says it all. I don't care how much we paid for him or what not but he's not good enough for utd, hes got to go along with Anderson and Fletcher. If our hands were tied and we had to keep 1 of them its Fletcher for sure.
The number of times he's behind the actual play and ends up having to chase back is staggering.
I was in the minority of people who thought he'd be a decent signing. Terrible player.
I was in the minority of people who thought he'd be a decent signing. Terrible player.
That decisive and honest conversation with Van Gaal may occur pretty soon if it didn't already.
I actually thought at the time it was a great sub, not only it would disrupt Everton's play, and he is more familiar as a Cm than Valencia, our biggest problem in the Second half was Blind was man marked by Naismith, and Valencia who is not used to play CM unlike Herrera, what Herrera does brilliantly is when Blind is man marked, he gets the ball of Cb's and act as a play maker, which Valencia was failing to do although he was great defensively, hence it allowed Rojo and Mclair to pump long balls or play difficult balls which disrupted our momentum and we didn't create much chances in the 2nd half.
I thought Fellani will do that and he started by playing one two's off Center backs, and i was beginning to get happy and understand the change, but then i don't know what happened but he went far too forward which left Blind so exposed, atleast with Valencia we were solid defensively, and i don't even remember him getting close to their any player, for a player who is brought to disrupt their play and get tackles in, he was awful. Blind on the other hand, people think he is a soft player, is usually in the thick of things, and he is an exceptionally intelligent footballer always on the end of sweeping away balls and getting in challenges, it just shows you don't need a big frame, players who are half his size but with intelligence can do far much.
I thought Fellani will do that and he started by playing one two's off Center backs, and i was beginning to get happy and understand the change, but then i don't know what happened but he went far too forward which left Blind so exposed, atleast with Valencia we were solid defensively, and i don't even remember him getting close to their any player, for a player who is brought to disrupt their play and get tackles in, he was awful. Blind on the other hand, people think he is a soft player, is usually in the thick of things, and he is an exceptionally intelligent footballer always on the end of sweeping away balls and getting in challenges, it just shows you don't need a big frame, players who are half his size but with intelligence can do far much.
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Napoli please come back in Jan.
At the start of the season I thought he could become a decent player for us, if we let him play in a more reserved role - see his performance against Everton (first half) last season. Even his performances last season under Martínez were far, far better than what he produced for us, though it's a small sample. I don't know what to expect of him now, and that GIF above is exactly why people keep referring to his 12/13 season and how he lacks positional sense. It's atrocious, and it doesn't matter if you're coming back from injury - you're fresher than most men on the field and should be doing much better.
Fellaini's performances in midfield for us have mostly been below-par and he's playing as though he doesn't know how to play in midfield, which is perplexing because he was pretty good in 11/12 (a season many forget). Is he better than Carrick? No. Is he better than Blind? No. It'll be interesting to see how we utilise him, but he needs something big for Van Gaal to keep him after this season.
Fellaini's performances in midfield for us have mostly been below-par and he's playing as though he doesn't know how to play in midfield, which is perplexing because he was pretty good in 11/12 (a season many forget). Is he better than Carrick? No. Is he better than Blind? No. It'll be interesting to see how we utilise him, but he needs something big for Van Gaal to keep him after this season.
I'll presume this is some kind of hip 4chan English for 'owned'?
To restate my point, you get a handful of player threads bumped after every match and the fact Fellaini in his small inconsequential cameo has as many posts as Blind, Rafael et al threads after their brilliant performances speaks a lot about the nature of some caf members.
And that isn't a defense of Fellaini as he's cack, it's just a passing comment on how post match no ones focus should be on him. His performances was completely unnoteworthy
That's just awful.
That's pretty poor.
You'd think he'd try to take the chance whenever possible as Herrera was injured but alas, only adds more fuel for doubt.
Fair enough but I disagree in all honesty. The cameo seems inconsequential now because we didn't concede as a result of his lethargy. But in the grander scheme of things, these momentary lapses can and will alter the course of games. It's always on to assess the final details. We've had a round up of pretty much every starter/ sub who played vs Everton in their respective thread so this is not exclusive to Marouane.
I thought he was very positionally naive today particularly when Everton were in possession.. Ran aggressively, albeit aimlessly, towards the ball no matter if the man was already being marked or not and left space in behind. At one point he blocked a teammate through doing this. Not his fault, he's a number 10 for a long ball team. He is definately not a DM.
That gif sums him up.....
January can't come quick enough!! I just hope Moyes has a job by then
January can't come quick enough!! I just hope Moyes has a job by then
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