he ran back a few times but his role was clearly to play behind the striker and de bruyne dropped deeper to accommodate him.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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he ran back a few times but his role was clearly to play behind the striker and de bruyne dropped deeper to accommodate him.
I still don't want him nowhere near our first 11, but I'm happy for him. he really needed that goal.
Fair fecks to the guy. Thought he played well today, though it comes as no surprise given Belgium played to his strengths and chest-al ? prowess with De Bruyne receding. Anyway that's something that we shouldn't try to replicate apart from extreme emergency situations, we've never lobbed the ball upwards and shouldn't try the percentage football now. United clearly has an abundance of more skilled AMs and we must play technical CMs, I'd rather prefer the much maligned Tom Cleverley over him TBH. Hope he does well at the world cup though, we might recoup a good deal of money forked on him and put an end to the short-lived adventure. Would be the both recourse for both player and club, sadly it's been an incompatible union from the start.
You sure that wasn't just because Belgium were doing the majority of the attacking when he was in the game? He always seems to get into the box on an attack but then gets back when defending or in the build up.
Regardless I will apologise for my earlier post which was a bit uncalled for
.Fellaini's performance against Bayern is the worst I've seen from any midfielder in my lifetime. He may be a decent player but he is not good enough for us. He showed at Everton and with Belgium that he is a good player for certain teams. I'm surprised there are people who think he'll play dm or box to box for Van Gaal. So we've gone from Robson, Ince, Keane, Scholes to accepting Fellaini as a starting midfielder for us? Really?
Kind of amazing that Moyes, who knew better than anyone what Fellaini was best at, overpaid for him and then played him in his worst position. Hindsight's 20/20 but Moyes really just didn't have a clue what he was doing for us, did he?
One thing is for sure, CM definitely isn't his best position (whatever he and Moyes said when we signed him). I know he played well in cm for Everton but at the highest (CL) level he'd continue to be exposed there.
He's at his best playing further forward for a direct team. Unfortunately for him we're almost certain to barely ever play in that way.
So what can he contribute for us in CM? Not a lot. He could do a job there against most PL opposition but we'd never see anything near the best of him in that role.
Thing is, we're so weak in CM that even the limited quality he provides is necessary. If we strengthen though then it would ultimately be best for both us and Fellaini if he leaves for a club where his specific talents are required.
He's at his best playing further forward for a direct team. Unfortunately for him we're almost certain to barely ever play in that way.
So what can he contribute for us in CM? Not a lot. He could do a job there against most PL opposition but we'd never see anything near the best of him in that role.
Thing is, we're so weak in CM that even the limited quality he provides is necessary. If we strengthen though then it would ultimately be best for both us and Fellaini if he leaves for a club where his specific talents are required.
He really didn't, he hadn't a notion.
could he will be the one schweinsteigered by LVG??
You sure that wasn't just because Belgium were doing the majority of the attacking when he was in the game? He always seems to get into the box on an attack but then gets back when defending or in the build up.
Regardless I will apologise for my earlier post which was a bit uncalled for
No I think they weren't having any success so they brought fellaini on to go more direct, his starting position was high up the pitch and de bruyne dropped much closer to witsel.
Look I don't agree with people abusing the guy all the time but I think people also need to accept that his best position is playing high up the pitch, he couldn't get in the team ahead of dembele or witsel because they both offer more playing deeper. I might be wrong but even at Everton I thought he was very average whenever he played deeper and I only rate him when he plays as forward which I don't ever see him doing at utd.
Probably not, though I have seen 2 or 3 Belgium games where Fellaini has looked good in a central position rather than a forward position, though they were qualifiers against iffy opposition. I think he had 1 or 2 games for us in midfield where he looked decent too, but a hell of a lot of bad games do cloud that.
Before writing him off completely, I'm interested to see what a more tactically astute coach can get out of him. Moyes couldn't make him work at United, but he couldn't really get much to work here. I think Fellaini does have some technical ability. His ball control is mostly very good, and he often uses his physicality well. He could prosper under a manager who knows how to play football.
It's not like Strootman is in that category.
I'll let LvG be the judge, he wanted strootman because he gives balance to a midfield, Fellaini is not much worse defensively or offensively and he is far more dominant aerially but inferior in terms of speed and agility.
I think Fellaini is a good player just like Strootman is a good player, LvG talks of how you need 3 key players in the team at least but the rest don't need to be providing they carry out instructions to the letter.
I think Fellaini will get a chance, from there it's up to him whether he does a Gerrard.
Yeah, baby, that's how you go from a bench. Truth to be told he did nothing special, but the only United player who scored at WC as of yet, i think. What were the odds on that!
Yeah, baby, that's how you go from a bench. Truth to be told he did nothing special, but the only United player who scored at WC as of yet, i think. What were the odds on that!
Think you're forgetting about someone
Hasnt the skillset for what we need screening and driving forward as a lynchpin DM.
Lumped forward and any ball in around the box hes dangerous ,well,yeah he causes problems.
Dont think hes for us long term, should prove a useful squad player next year and see how it pans out,though.
Him ahead of Mata,Rooney<?,sneaky feeling hell leave> or shinji in a ss or 10 ill boke.
Lumped forward and any ball in around the box hes dangerous ,well,yeah he causes problems.
Dont think hes for us long term, should prove a useful squad player next year and see how it pans out,though.
Him ahead of Mata,Rooney<?,sneaky feeling hell leave> or shinji in a ss or 10 ill boke.
Yeah, baby, that's how you go from a bench. Truth to be told he did nothing special, but the only United player who scored at WC as of yet, i think. What were the odds on that!
Think harder. Think orange
How are people forgetting about RvP's goals? He's scored the goal of the tournament so far, by some distance.
Yeah, baby, that's how you go from a bench. Truth to be told he did nothing special, but the only United player who scored at WC as of yet, i think. What were the odds on that!
Memory of a goldfish
Yeah, i've forgot RVP. Seems natural for himThink you're forgetting about someone
Cleverley / Carrick vs Olympiakos away was way worse IMO
Maroauane!!
Nice to see him getting off the mark. Hope he starts the next game.
Nice to see him getting off the mark. Hope he starts the next game.
Although I can't see him ever fitting into a United system, having watched his smaller clone, Witsel, who I haven't seen much of before, but who cost Zenit €40m who hardly moves and continually plays 5 or 10 metre passes, we may have got a bargain at £27.5m
Although I can't see him ever fitting into a United system, having watched his smaller clone, Witsel, who I haven't seen much of before, but who cost Zenit €40m who hardly moves and continually plays 5 or 10 metre passes, we may have got a bargain at £27.5m
Witsel has far more of an all round game than Fellaini, don't be ignorant and compare them based on their hair.
Although I can't see him ever fitting into a United system, having watched his smaller clone, Witsel, who I haven't seen much of before, but who cost Zenit €40m who hardly moves and continually plays 5 or 10 metre passes, we may have got a bargain at £27.5m
Witsel is 2x the player Fellaini is. Proper all round CM who'd shine in the EPL.
I had to miss the game due to work but I understand Fellaini scored the match winner off a header from a cross. If my information is correct, I demand an apology -- or at least an admission of idiocy -- from the two clowns here (whose names shall not be mentioned to protect their identity) mercilessly beat the shit out of me for suggesting that Fellaini was best used as the target man for crosses.
Fellaini is no deep lying midfielder and no box to box midfielder. What he does exceptionally well is to crash the box either for the direct header on goal or the knockdown ball. There's nothing wrong with that at all. Having a guy who can come on in late in matches to bag a match winner is a very useful player to have on the payroll. As long as no one views him as the cornerstone of our central midfielders, I'm good with him staying on the squad. The 27.5m is up in smoke anyway.
Fellaini is no deep lying midfielder and no box to box midfielder. What he does exceptionally well is to crash the box either for the direct header on goal or the knockdown ball. There's nothing wrong with that at all. Having a guy who can come on in late in matches to bag a match winner is a very useful player to have on the payroll. As long as no one views him as the cornerstone of our central midfielders, I'm good with him staying on the squad. The 27.5m is up in smoke anyway.
It was tongue in cheek but based on today's performance - not impressed
Into what?
He scored the equaliser, so your information isn't correct.
Hopefully his expectations start small. Try and turn him into a footballer first, and then see what happens.
Awesome today. He'll have a great tournament.
Hopefully he'll keep it up through the tournament, so we can get a decent amount of money for him this summer.
I said it after we signed him and I'll say it again. This guy can be a top player. We lacked goals from the midfield, and when we signed this fella he had the third highest goals and assists out of all of our players, behind only RVP and Rooney. NOTE - The season at EVERTON not United. Yes he played much more behind the striker, but it seems as though people completely wrote off his performances from a CM position. He has some great driving runs when he's on song, but last season was very fragmented for him, not unlike Kagawa's first season which was also derailed by injury? For some reason, Shinji coming from Dortmund led to people being much more lax about his performances and Fellaini coming from Everton was crucified after every game.
He's effective when played in a role he's never likely to play for us, which is what most people against the signing said at the time.
didn't really learn anything new from that game.
we all know fellaini is a real threat in the air, and can be deployed as a battering Ram if played behind a striker.
The problem is he won't get played in that position for united, and even if he did i can't imagine many united fans been happy with us playing the style of football needed to get the best of of fellaini in the number 10 role.
which leaves us contiuing to play him in Center midfield, where he isnt very good, especially in the premier league where his lack of pace is a real issue!
we all know fellaini is a real threat in the air, and can be deployed as a battering Ram if played behind a striker.
The problem is he won't get played in that position for united, and even if he did i can't imagine many united fans been happy with us playing the style of football needed to get the best of of fellaini in the number 10 role.
which leaves us contiuing to play him in Center midfield, where he isnt very good, especially in the premier league where his lack of pace is a real issue!
And that's fine against Stoke on a blustery Tuesday night yadda yadda, but against better teams there aren't many hoofs to win in the air in front of the back four.
True, he was really given the run around by Sterling and co in the embarrassing 0-3 this season.
He seems to believe he can dominate a midfield but his strengths suit a forward role where he can bully defenders and make life difficult for them. He said he doesn't like playing there but that's his job and he's stupidly well paid to do it.
Hopefully he had a great World Cup and generates some interest in himself. Anything over £16m would be great business right now.
we could always sell him to west ham as a striker
Don't think he will ever be a top player, we do lack goals in midfield but fellaini will only provide that if we play him behind the striker and play a very direct style of play, that is how he got his goals and assists at Everton. I don't see how anyone can expect him to get anywhere near repeating what he did at Everton in a side that doesn't play long ball football it just isn't going to happen. His all round game is very average it is only when the ball is in the air that he comes into his own, if we forget he cost so much money the only role I see him being useful for is as Belgium used him today. If we come against a team who sit back and we can't break them down bring him on and hit some crosses/long balls, that's not a lot for 27m but it is best we can hope for.
Played well when he came on, but that's expected when he plays further advanced as a target man. He was deployed in the same role at Everton in a team suited to his strengths and excelled, when Belgium adopted that approach following his arrival it's no surprise to see him impress.
Still, this performance doesn't change my stance on him leaving at all. He's a player who falls into the category of 'not being concerned if he stays or goes', but that disparity between him playing up advanced to playing as a holding midfielder is massive. He's a good player just not a good fit for us and someone who we've essentially converted into a conventional central midfielder as we have with others at times.
If we were to recoup £12M or whatever our valuation is, I wouldn't be dismayed at all.
Still, this performance doesn't change my stance on him leaving at all. He's a player who falls into the category of 'not being concerned if he stays or goes', but that disparity between him playing up advanced to playing as a holding midfielder is massive. He's a good player just not a good fit for us and someone who we've essentially converted into a conventional central midfielder as we have with others at times.
If we were to recoup £12M or whatever our valuation is, I wouldn't be dismayed at all.
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