Some of the criticism is harsh but I think the majority of it is fair, he just doesn’t fit into our system and style of play and that won’t change even if his confidence improves. I just don’t see what he brings as a CM or DM and is very average in both of those roles and the best thing for everyone involved would be to move him on as quickly as possible. I find the situation very similar to the Moyes situation, I wouldn’t say moyes was a bad manager or fellaini is a bad player but neither of them were right for Utd. Similarly when people defended Moyes it was all based on character and give him time rather than actually setting out why he was the right man or what he could/would do etc and it’s the same with Fellaini, I haven’t seen anyone come up with anything to say why he would be a good DM or CM.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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Some of the criticism is harsh but I think the majority of it is fair, he just doesn’t fit into our system and style of play and that won’t change even if his confidence improves. I just don’t see what he brings as a CM or DM and is very average in both of those roles and the best thing for everyone involved would be to move him on as quickly as possible. I find the situation very similar to the Moyes situation, I wouldn’t say moyes was a bad manager or fellaini is a bad player but neither of them were right for Utd. Similarly when people defended Moyes it was all based on character and give him time rather than actually setting out why he was the right man or what he could/would do etc and it’s the same with Fellaini, I haven’t seen anyone come up with anything to say why he would be a good DM or CM.
People like me right? More or less assists than Kagawa doesn't make him less of a shit player though. And its 2 assists for the season, one in the league.
http://www.whoscored.com/Players/22738/Show/Marouane-Fellaini
http://www.espnfc.com/player/_/id/84535/marouane-fellaini?cc=5901
http://www.squawka.com/players/marouane-fellaini#total-chances-created#manchester-united-(current)#english-barclays-premier-league#8#season-2013/2014#64#all-matches#1-37#type
http://inagist.com/all/463760340422242304/
Skysports, Opta joe, whoscored, ESPN and squawka, all respected sources have his assist yesterday as his first and only in the league. The one against Villa was not even an assist. So who am I going to go with?
Fantasy Premier League ( guess who created it ) gave him 2 ( two ) assists yesterday. Two.
Even if you remove the Villa one it's still three with the Shakthar one. You can go with whoever you want, I don't give a feck by the way.
One of the two assists from my links is the Shakthar one LOL. What other assist are you crediting him with besides Shakthar, Hull and Villa (null and void)? If you don't care you'll concede and accept that he hasn't contributed as much as you thought
Two against Hull and one against Shakthar, as I've said, I can't remember the Villa one so I'm not going argue as I've already said.
I've tried counting three or four times already and no matter what I do, when I add two to one or one to two it's still three, no other way around.
He wasn't credited with two assists yesterday. The rebound is clearly not an assist, it was a result of his poor finish straight to the keeper. How's that an assist? Its not and most reputable publications didn't give it, not even the F.A.
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/players/profile.statistics.html/marouane-fellaini
The official FA premier league site have him on 1 assist for the season. The CL assist makes 2 in all comps.
They did in Fantasy Premier League which is official premier league site as well, funnily enough.
How is rebound an assist ? It depends on the source, from wiki:
Regardless of the definition and what you saw on fantasy premier league, the source I've provided is straight from the premier league itself. So as it stands they gave him 1 assist. Click the link and see for yourself
@Kostur your problem also is using wikipedia as a relaible source. Its not a reliable source. Never say you used wiki in an official setting, you wont be taken seriously.
I think he needs to stay as a squad player. Selling him now will yield a huge loss. We might as well keep him and hope LVG or who ever takes now can work with him and make him better as a central midfielder. After all it is his first season in a new team with a new system with new players. If he is this shit next season, then he should be sold.
And FPL is from fecking what, Mars ?
The same site gave him both two and one assist.
And yea, I won't be taken seriously ( by people like you ? ) because I use a wikipedia to point out that laws of the game don't precise what assist is thus definition of an assist will differ depending on the source, make it be optajoe or transfermarkt. That's some sick shit I'm preaching here, definitely.
It's almost as if you're not reading my posts and throw the same things in different posts all the time.
And to be fair, talk about being taken seriously, out of your last 40 posts about 20 are about Fellaini with the same utter drivel being spouted: he's shit, needs to get out, worst transfer ever, bigger flop than X/Y/Z. I guess we've got the message.
Your problem is that you're obsessed and agenda driven broken record.
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Wikipedia is not a serious source of information. Deal with it. And I guess you didn't even bother to click on the official site. It reads Fellaini one assist for the WHOLE season. You can't wrap your mind around that. Here it is copied and pasted in case you missed. Your boy is shite. Thanks for being interested enough to look at my posts. I couldnt be bothered to do the same
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0 - Shots
22 - Pens Scored
0 - Assists
1 - Crosses
8 - Offsides
4
You're either insane or a lost case really. My second point still stands, you're not reading my posts and throw same trantrum all over. I'm done, I'm wasting my time here talking to a brick wall.
The fpl gives assists for winning free kicks and penalties too, aswell as mishit shots and accidental deflections.
Think it's mainly for the points boost for the player rather than real stats. No other site awards assists for stuff like that.
Think it's mainly for the points boost for the player rather than real stats. No other site awards assists for stuff like that.
I was wasting my time talking to someone who quotes Wikipedia in debates
How do you know this? As a CM he will never be good enough, even on his best day, to compete with top players. As you pointed out. And in such a vital position he is more a hindrance than a help. Heavily criticized? Sorry, he's playing for Manchester United now and he's an international, apparently.
No, the criticism isn't over the top. He just doesn't fit in to our style of play cos he is the wrong player for it. He always was. Up front for Everton, he was effective some of the time but not consistently enough. And we have never really played that way, and hopefully won't be starting any time soon. Plus we have many players behind the strikers already who are a lot better than him. I hope he has a good World Cup too, so we can sell him and get back some of the money Moyes wasted on him.
Here's a better question, if Tony Pulis came to you and said we'd like to swap Fellaini for Mile Jedinak, are you interested? (Ignoring fee's and values in this hypothetical scenario) Would you do it?
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How do I know what?
apologies......That he can do a decent job at CM
He is not a very good player, he will be shipped out in the next couple of windows.
He is our Andy Carroll, and it must must never be allowed to happen again.
He is our Andy Carroll, and it must must never be allowed to happen again.
Some bad signings are inevitable, the good ones make up for it.
Would you swap him for Jedinak?
I agree, any club is going to have an Obertan, or a Djemba, maybe even an Anderson.
Spending 27 million pounds on this type of player though, is an entirely different matter.
I'd swap him for Robbie Savage.
My sides, they've split.
Sometimes I wonder why the feck do we pay 27M for him
It's not like it's a gamble, Moyes supposed to know him inside out
Both of you are funny, does it matter of it's 3 or 1 assist, you don't need to many stats to agree that he has had a shit season
Can we not just use him as a mascot in Japan or something? They're suckers for that kind of thing.
"Your majesty, it is a good job I wore my corset today, as I fear my sides have split"
I blame the club for sanctioning a huge fee, has to go down as one of our worst signings - however this is not Fellaini's fault.
As a United player he deserves support, even if he has been playing crap.
As a United player he deserves support, even if he has been playing crap.
Great idea. We can pretend he is that guy from Dragonball Z:
Just need a trucker moustache now...
Great idea. We can pretend he is that guy from Dragonball Z:
Just need a trucker moustache now...
I don't how its eluded me how much Fellaini looks like Mr.Satan from DBZYou're completely right. Also throw in awful attempts to be funny.
I've seen him do a decent job in that role for Everton. Even for us he's looked alright in that position at times. When he was changed into a box-to-box role he got caught up the field a lot and is slow to track back. If he got a decent run as a DM in a 3 man midfield I think he'd be OK. I'm not saying we should mold the formation for him though.
That's the problem, he did it at Everton, and tbh not consistently enough. Less scrutiny, less expectation. He could afford to go missing for parts of a season. Not at Utd. This is a huge step up and he has not justified it. Alright doesn't cut it.
For that much money we should be getting a lot lot more, and before you mention about his fee, Everton bought him a few years back for £15m. So he knew his next move, as a transfer to a bigger club (like the champions) would come with much more pressure, especially in our league. I said it when Moyes signed him, why buy a player who sort of plays in two positions and does OK, but not well enough? He's a mid table average player and no better than what we already have.
If you saw the game against Hull, yes both sides had rotated teams and were weaker than normal. But the kids that came in played with speed and skill, and that is how we should be playing. Fellaini just doesn't fit into that. And he's been playing with better players for Belgium, a team he has been part of for a long time but are they really that good?
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He'll stay, if Van Gaal ends up as our manager we will see a much changed Fellaini next season. I still hold out hope for him. There is a good defensive midfielder in there somewhere.
The fact that Mr Satan also "pretends" to be a world class fighter, like Fellaini is pretending to be a world class footballer
He'll get another season and he should. Hopefully he shows that he's deserving of another chance.
I think so too. Ironically, Moyes leaving is could be a blessing in disguise for Fellaini.
So long as Moyes was here and we were under-performing people were always going to be on his back. He was the managers big signing from his old club, making him the easy target for those looking for an explanation to our terrible season; when actually it would have been nigh on impossible for him to play to an acceptable standard considering none of our established stars could manage it. Moyes didn't even know how to get the best out of a player he's worked with for years, says it all about his tenure.
If Van Gaal decides to pick him people will be much more willing to give him a chance and he should gain a lot more confidence as a result. It couldn't have been easy being put in the position he was this year.
This is not to say I think he will soon turn into a world beater overnight but there's certainly a lot more ability there. Her's hoping we see a player revitalised next season.
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He's got so much potential. A strong, 6ft 4, aerially dominant(or at least, he used to be), former distance runner, who's decent enough with his feet to score 11 goals in a PL campaign from AM and embarrass Manchester United....that should be a good player, with the right coaching and environment. Obviously he's not had that, but hopefully LVG can up his game, and game intelligence more importantly.
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