To be fair, he was closed down extremely quickly. I dont think even everyones flavour of the month Kroos would have done anything.
Marouane Fellaini | 2013/14 Performances
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I actually liked Everton's football under Moyes last season. I'd say they were a more balanced side than us, and played better stuff than us most of last season.
I don't see how my first paragraph was insulting. Everton had width from the full backs, a bit of guile from Pienaar and Mirallas cutting in, and a direct option through Fellani. Fellaini really came to life when the ball was in the air in the final third. He wasn't always accurate with his headers, but he was always a nuisance. And that was enough.
Is it not true that winning headers in a congested box requires a completely different skill set to winning headers in the centre of the pitch when more accuracy is needed?
I'm not a huge fan of Carrick myself for starters. And while Carrick may be lack mobility at the highest level, his brain definitely works quickly. He can play the first time passes that Fellani can't. Carrick controls the ball and the ball is stuck to him. Never does it look like Carrick will be shoved off it. Fellani's brain works that bit slower. And after controlling the ball he often leaves his body in such a way that it's easy to take the ball off him.
I disagree. I think Carrick slows our play down so much because his speed of execution is so pedestrian. It must be so frustrating being a forward player, making runs only for Carrick to spot the run, decide against the pass and then look for Rio behind him.
The ball needs to be moved a lot lot quicker and Carrick or Fellaini are not the answer to that, but Fellaini in my opinion brings more to a team than Carrick.
Weird. I've always thought that Carrick is at his best when he has a striker making direct runs behind the defence to aim balls at.
He should be stronger and smarter than that in this area. Cisse didn't even have to be that aggressive because Fellaini's first touch showed him the ball. Smh
Not comparing the players, but I've seen that happening to Veron, Scholes, and many others in that position. What also should be happening is people screaming at him that he has no time which didn't appear to happen
Im very disappointed in him so far.
I thought he'd prove a fairly good player for us and it's slightly annoying how inept he looks. I knew he wasn't highly blessed on the technical front but I thought he'd surprise people in that regard, and that in addition to his other attributes, would make for a good addition to the squad who can come in and do a job once in awhile, while obviously never being a great footballer. Sadly, the complete opposite has happened so far. Instead of surprising people who thought he was a useless lump, he's surprised me by how bad he looks in the basic attributes of a midfielder. He has so many bad touches, so many moments where he shows a lack of awareness and intelligence and his passing is consistently mediocre. The less said about his defensive mouse the better.
I seriously hope he turns it around on a technical and defensive level. Chest control and upper body strength (not seen much of that) is all well and good but Manchester United needs proper footballers.
I thought he'd prove a fairly good player for us and it's slightly annoying how inept he looks. I knew he wasn't highly blessed on the technical front but I thought he'd surprise people in that regard, and that in addition to his other attributes, would make for a good addition to the squad who can come in and do a job once in awhile, while obviously never being a great footballer. Sadly, the complete opposite has happened so far. Instead of surprising people who thought he was a useless lump, he's surprised me by how bad he looks in the basic attributes of a midfielder. He has so many bad touches, so many moments where he shows a lack of awareness and intelligence and his passing is consistently mediocre. The less said about his defensive mouse the better.
I seriously hope he turns it around on a technical and defensive level. Chest control and upper body strength (not seen much of that) is all well and good but Manchester United needs proper footballers.
You can almost imagine all the players thinking, 'Where is he going ?'
Even Lahm, though chasing must be thinking what the hell is going on here. Bet the Bayern players had a chuckle about that
Disagree. Everton under Moyes, barring the last season, were a dreadful team to watch. Very very work man like with the focus largely on defensive organisation and hard work. I was wanted them to do well as a club, being Liverpools local rivals, but found their football to be completely dire and unimaginative.
If Fellaini didn't leave the ball so open, he could have easily won a foul and maybe (though not too likely) have Cisse booked for his challenge from behind. However, Fellaini left the ball too open and made it easy for Cisse to win the ball. A capable midfielder wouldn't have been this far from the ball, and it that situation, he easily would have won a foul. For example, either of Carrick or Fletcher would have more likely won a foul in this situation. Heck, even Kroos would have won a foul rather than give the ball away this easily to someone who could have scored and put us under some more pressure.
Yep. That's the point I was making. Being strong in the air in the oppositions box (where a general flick on is enough) is completely different to being strong with the ball at your foot near your own box (where accuracy is also vital).
Fellaini's doesn't shield the ball well when it's at his feet. When taking a first touch his body doesn't protect the ball well enough (see Cisse incident)
The same goes for when challenging for a header in the centre circle. Unlike when in the opposition's final third, as a centre midfielder he actually has to watch the ball travel, time his jump, and direct his headers. And half the time he jumps too early, or straight past the ball.
I like him and think he'll be a good squad player, but I've not been impressed so far. And I'm one of the guys who was happy when he signed.
Once he lost the ball, he threw up his arms like he's Ronaldo, instead of tracking him and winning the ball back.
Yes I agree that the same things have happened with Scholes or any player. I agree that Fletcher stood there watching, although Smalling does seem to indicate something with his hands, not sure if it was for Fellaini. Still I would say that he could have shielded the ball better; Scholes, Keane would have done a lot better. Cisse just ran away with the ball. We were fortunate that it wasn't a half-decent side. We would have been punished otherwise. He didn't even look arsed to limiting the damage he has done and that causes more outrage amongst the fans.
On a side-note, I agree that the criticism of his mistakes gets amplified because he is Moyes' Fellaini and he has not yet proven to be a match-winner for us. Worse mistakes by Jones, Vidic, Rafael are forgiven.
Scholes and Veron were great in possession. I doubt they ever lost the ball so cheaply in that area. Its not like Fellaini was surrounded by players, its his poor first touch that Cisse capitalised on. Scholes and Veron would've dealt with that easily, that ball was easy to anticipate, and with more awareness he could've seen Cisse from miles away.
Tbf, all those players you mention have been rightly criticized for errors this season. Rafael for his rash tackling, Jones for giving away fouls in dangerous areas late in the game and Vidic before the Bayern game has been criticised for being past it and slow.
They have been rightly criticized. I should have put better. But they are not called stupid names like toilet brushes, sock of stool, turd bag or whatever. The level Fellaini is subjected to is way worse than anything the others I have mentioned have received.
I actually cant believe how little we got for our money. What was Moyes or the board thinking in sanctioning this transfer.
You're right. Its a mean world though and has always been. Unfortunately for Fellaini he doesn't look like a United player. Some players need time to come good, some are simply just not good enough for a certain level. Fellaini is one of those players. I don''t know who he sacrificed to the Devil to get this opportunity but he's a lucky, lucky bustard
That is not the first time and I am pretty sure that it will not be the last. I have been banging about this for a few weeks. His lack of ability is not something that ticks me off as much as his lack of desire to defend for his team and team mates. The guy jogs and struts around as if he owns the field while being an average player.
This jogging back is what really irks me. He supposed to recover the ball and prevent the danger from amplifying, yet he doesn't do anything about it. I saw a GIF of the Fernandinho run against us at Old Trafford from the Gif Request Thread, and Fellaini was horrible at rushing back and at least recovering the team's shape.
When the going gets tough, the tough get going. Fellaini, so far, has shown me that he hasn't been as tough as he should be.
He almost seemed to give way to Fernandinho like a good host. Pissed me right off.
What Carrick are you watching? He reads the game better than anyone else in this team and keeps the ball moving. This hasn't been his best season
Someone tell him he's not Cantona. Even Berbatov could pull it off with aplomb.
They have been rightly criticized. I should have put better. But they are not called stupid names like toilet brushes, sock of stool, turd bag or whatever. The level Fellaini is subjected to is way worse than anything the others I have mentioned have received.
You're right. Its a mean world though and has always been. Unfortunately for Fellaini he doesn't look like a United player. Some players need time to come good, some are simply just not good enough for a certain level. Fellaini is one of those players. I don''t know who he sacrificed to the Devil to get this opportunity but he's a lucky, lucky bustard
I don't wish to pursue this further though. You quoted me today on this very page and so I remember this. No offence.
Ah fair enough!
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Are you a scouser? Shit like this does not belong to a United supporter.
It was made by a United supporter. Not me. Limited players like Fellaini do not belong to United either. Opinions.
This is all getting a bit silly.
He was never anything special in midfield beforehand so we shouldn't have gone near him.
this, people need to decide if they support the team or not.No respect but will take the glory. Maybe they are just ABU's but United fans they are not.
Those quotes about his chest control ... Ffs can't they stop saying stupid shit week after week ? I mean what the feck are they on talking about his chest controls
Those quotes about his chest control ... Ffs can't they stop saying stupid shit week after week ? I mean what the feck are they on talking about his chest controls
By "they", you mean Moyes? Because he is the one who said that.
Pretty underwhelming signing when you think of the players signed for less and far better quality over the years. He doesn't contribute much, especially if Moyes wants to play with "pace and directness." He is pretty tentative on the ball and hasn't the ability to make runs on the ball, nor does he have the ability to pick out a man. He isn't even incredibly strong for the size of the man.
The worst thing is that we could have had him at 23 million, and it would have still been overpriced. The best thing about him was when he came to defence of Januzaj in that Fulham game, in the corner against Reichter.
The worst thing is that we could have had him at 23 million, and it would have still been overpriced. The best thing about him was when he came to defence of Januzaj in that Fulham game, in the corner against Reichter.
Pretty much says it all when someone uses that as his best contribution for us so far. Not that I agree but just pointing out how underwhelmed supporters are with him.
Theres been no point in the season where he did anything positive that stuck in my mind other than that one time, and I've watched every game this season.
Come on! He has good performances against the likes of West Ham which immediately comes to mind. I had completely forgotten the Fulham episode till I read your post.
I think more recently Moyes has asked Fellaini to either play as a box-to-box midfielder or has asked him to stay further up the pitch more to try and get goals from midfield. What he is forgetting that Fellaini is no Scholes and we don't have a Keane to cover his arse when he is jogging around upfield with the opposition on a counter attack. It is since this change that I have seen a remarkable drop in Fellaini's performance.
Hes had some decent performances, like I'd say 7/10. He just doesn't do the things you'd expect a big money signing to do. I mean, we spent a lot on Mata and we're starting to see why. We aren't seeing why Fellaini is a 27.5 million player at all, and I don't think he's ever proving to be that player in his career. Can't really blame him for the price though.
Moyes mainly and Round too (even if that quote is the first I've ever read from), I suppose you're right and I was only talking about Moyes. When this season ends, someone will surely make a compilation of all the stupid things he's said.
Moyes mainly and Round too (even if that quote is the first I've ever read from), I suppose you're right and I was only talking about Moyes. When this season ends, someone will surely make a compilation of all the stupid things he's said.
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