Mark Ogden
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Yeah. Just felt he was being a bit negative about the squad and it also felt really rushed e.g. in one of the last paragraphs he seems to say Van Gaal managed Madrid. Odd piece from him as I'd got used to a bit more. I actually found Ian Herbert's piece on United in today's Independent a lot better.
Maybe he's got the knock because we've not been feeding him info this summer?
Link?
I don't really blame him for mistakes because things can change rather quickly in terms of transfers. I know people at the supporters club whom SAF himself told them that Gazza and Shearer deal were all but sealed. Guess what? They weren't
Not particularly ground breaking but just a bit more even handed on what United are looking to get out of the tour. Rather than just descending into X, Y and Z are rubbish Man Utd must buy, buy, buy. More insight gleaned about Van Gaal's total person principle, sending birthday cards to players' wives etc. from this piece than from Ogden's identikit United need to spend heavily write up.
Any chance you could copy and paste? I have used my allowance of free articles for the month there.
Ogden is actually spot on there
It's quite a negative/realistic piece from Ogden basically saying we're miles away from any silverware. He's right too IMO unless we bring in new players. He even slated Rafael.
He has no idea what's going on at the club these days.
Didn't really slate him, just said he was rash and unpredictable.
Yep and he's correct.
Fair bit of truth in what he says and it makes you realise how important signing another defender or two is.
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What a wank article. Let's just stare at the problems, ignore all solutions and positives. Ogden has a hard on for experience. He enjoys massaging our older heads which I find baffling, given it was them and their performances that have held us back for a good couple of years now. Only Evra and Vidic in squad roles would suffice, therefore the idea that we're now weaker is simply nonsense. The 'replacements' are there, just support them and play them. Those problems will turn into solutions very quickly.
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I didn't think the article was that bad - most of us on here have said that there were failures in the recruitment policy over the last few years. It is difficult to assess just how good or bad the current squad is due to the general feeling Fergie overachieved (while still getting a contribution from the now-departed Ferdinand and Vidic) and Moyes seriously underachieved. I expect top 4 with LVG but not much more unless we land a couple more quality players.
Must have read a different article to some people on here. Most of what he said is spot on, hardly scathing or something that read like it was written out of a sour mood like someone suggested.
Sweet, thanks.
Agree with the article. The defence is so injury prone we could well have Jones, Smalling, Evans and Rafael all out at the same time as has happened in the past leaving us with Luke Shaw our only defender.
Agreed. Looking at the negatives not the positives, but hardly brutal.
Getting the impression Mark Ogden would rather not be on tour with Man Utd right now.
Here you go:
Feels like a pissy article, got the feeling that Ogden may be feeling sour after he is no longer briefed by someone within the United hierarchy on the news at OT, especially given how he was so surprised by Herrera's transfer.
In earlier parts of the article he bemoans the lack of world class signings, then later in the article he said how multiple signings still can't replace the experience that has been lost along with Ferdy, Vida and Evra.
Oh someone is on their period.. definitely sounds a bit unhappy with something doesn't he.
Much appreciated.
Should name some names if he's going to suggest we're missing out on targets, or wait until the end of the window to come out with that stuff. Definitely comes off in a bitchy mood that he seems to be out of the loop.
Obviously work needs to be done and LVG's task isn't simple. No shit. Probably politics on his part - give me info, or I'll keep coming after you with the doom and gloom stuff
Obviously work needs to be done and LVG's task isn't simple. No shit. Probably politics on his part - give me info, or I'll keep coming after you with the doom and gloom stuff
Ogden is just trying to be the guy who goes against the tide. It is all fine to be cautiously optimistic but his "experience" point lays flat on the ground. Look at what Liverpool did with a good manager who could rally the troops. We have a much better squad on paper so to say that we are far from a title challenge is just being daft, especially when we don't have CL football to think about.
Not really. Like everyone else he has forgotten that most of the squad won the league the season before last. What good was the experience of Evra, Vidic, Ferdinand, Giggs and Carrick last season? It didn't make much difference in my eyes. Especially players like Rafael, Evans, Smalling and Jones are far better than they've shown last season and a lot of it is down to their injuries. If they stay fit, which could be a possibility with a new training regime, they will improve again or deliver their usual form. I agree on the part that we still need to sign players, 2 or 3 actually and I also think that it is very important to get rid of some players.
Obviously serious work needs to be done, but most of the actual specifics in that article are bullshit.
And it is the same squad that finished 7th with 3 of the back 5 that won the CL leaving the club, no different. It is July 21st, and we are heavily short on defenders, we literally have only 5 first team defenders, 4 of that 5 pick up allot of injury's. The team that won the league, ferdinand vidic and evra played a major part, what good was the experience from last season? it was missing, ferdinand and vidic hardly played much last season, carrick and RVP's loss of form was a huge loss for united last season. While rafeal smalling jones and evans continued to pick up allot of injury's, it was happening allot under fergie too. We all know how bad the midfield currently is, overstocked on number 10's, so the whole balance of the squad is pretty dire. We need 3 defenders and 2 midfielders to regain that balance, and I do hope LVG moves on the likes of anderson, with one of either fletcher or fellaini, young nani bebe and kagwa. But signing players seems a very difficult prospect
Chill, we are sure to buy some defenders. Woodward as good as admitted it yesterday. You are forgetting something, in Evra and Rio's case we actually had the option of retaining them and we chose not to. And noting the fact that we are working more like a DOF operated club in the transfer market (working on transfers without a man at the helm) I am sure we are working on targets.
Talk about stating the bleeding obvious. He's really not as good a journalist as a lot of people on here make him out to be. I've watched him on Mutv and comes across as a bit shifty. In SAF's last season as manager he was actually banned from Carrington for spouting off bullshit in his rag.
True, but the club are leaving it a bit late, I just cannot see us signing the 5 players need to give the squad the balance it needs, not to mention the players that need to leave the club
How many games did Ferdinand, Vidic and Evra start at the beginning of last season? Quite a lot and they were obviously used wrongly by Moyes. We've made mistakes before Moyes came here, but some of Moyes decisions were absolutely bizarre and even if we don't sign anyone from now on, we will be better than last season, simply because we have van Gaal as our manager now. Evra and Carrick should have been used less last season and we should've bought someone in for them, but we didn't. Ander is obviously not the replacement for Carrick, but it's a start.
We also had far too many injuries last season for whatever reason. Something I hope won't happen again in that manner. I firmly believe last season was a blip and that this team is much better than they've shown. I'm not saying we will win it all this season or should have last season, but this team is certainly better than 7th and belongs in the top 4. I also think that if there's a manager that can compensate for such a loss of experience than it is van Gaal.
Instead of saying he is spot on, I should have said I agree with everything he's said. Our current squad doesn't fill me with any confidence at all, specially at the back.
Fair enough. I'd be worried as well, if we don't sign cover for left-back, central defence and even right-back. I don't want to see Smalling and Jones there again.
We don't need 5 players. We are not in the CL this year. We won't buy players just to make them sit on the bench. We will do it next year once we are back in the CL.
That article just smacks of: 'I don't get the inside track anymore so I'm going to moan like a little biatch'. Experience goes beyond just age, we've got plenty of players who have won it and learnt off those professionals that just left, Giggs is still around too. Rafael will be fecking terrific this year as well.