I'd happily get rid of Mata to replace him with this guy
Borussia Dortmund is considering to take him back and have spoken with Bayern, according to Bild.
Luckily BILD is much more often wrong than right regarding BVB transfers.
They might not know what's going on at Dortmund, but they're often spot on about Bayern's transfer dealings
.Would be great to have him at United.
That's the big question: Whether it is - as so often - BILD clickbait fiction or if somebody leaked information. I couldn't stand him long before it became clear he'd move to you lot, and neither how he handled his move nor how he dealt with his situation changed my perception of him.They might not know what's going on at Dortmund, but they're often spot on about Bayern's transfer dealings
Please, please, make it happen Woody!
Bild aren't the first to report this. There was an article by Freddie Röckenhaus who hinted at such a move shortly after both teams played each other.
Not that badly needed! We need other additions more.Please, please, make it happen Woody!
Dortmund approached Götze as early as last summer but at that time he wasn't interested. I just hope he continues seeking a move elsewhere.
But he can play on the wing! Isn't that something?
He's not very well suited to it. As an upgrade to Mata I'd take him. But other signings would be just as good and some better. He's a bit of a gamble of course given he has flopped at Bayern.But he can play on the wing! Isn't that something?
Never claimed it's his best position, just that he can play there.
Oh well, I have to hope for Klopp to the rescue then.We don't need players who can play there.Never claimed it's his best position, just that he can play there.
Eh? If you're concerned about him needing rescuing and still rate him, wouldn't you want him at Dortmund, you know, the club you support?
Never claimed it's his best position, just that he can play there.
You misunderstood him. He doesn't want Götze back at Dortmund. Therefore another club has to come to the rescue.
As A lifelong Dortmund supporter, I really don't want him back either. that ship has sailed.
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I never want to see him playing for us again. If LFC came to buy him, I'd thank Klopp on my knees that the crazy idea of Watzke and Zorc to take him back is burried once and for all.
I never want to see him playing for us again. If LFC came to buy him, I'd thank Klopp on my knees that the crazy idea of Watzke and Zorc to take him back is burried once and for all.
Would love him at Utd.
Ah sorry, I couldn't quite guage that. I didn't think there was animosity between Dortmund fans and Gotze. Understandable though.
He'd be a poor signing. Wouldn't be much of an upgrade.
He would be a big risk for us. Never seen him brilliantly at Bayern, he really hasnt progressed from his Dortmund days for various reasons. Isnt the most uninjured player too. Only has a bit more pace than Mata, dont see him as an upgrade at all, think he would disappoint just as much actually.
He is a far better player than Mata. It isn't even close between them
Why? Do you think he treated Dortmund badly?
I want us to play 433 next season. Don't think it's suits him.
Should he arrive, Mourinho will almost certainly have us playing 4-2-3-1.
Would rather just stick with Mata. If we are to get a no.10 / second striker, would prefer Isco or James over him.
I can see Mourinho playing 4231. Also, I'm not sure if Mata is going to continue if Mou arrives.
Gotze has been a top talent in the generation of players like Isco, Pogba, Hazard, Neymar, among others.
I think Gotze has the potential to be world class. He was doing really well at Dortmund. However, he has not developed as expected under Guardiola where he rarely plays.
There are good players that can play behind the striker like Griezmann, Dybala, Isco, James, Barkley, etc. IMO Griezmann would be great here and he is not unrealistic.
Gotze has been a top talent in the generation of players like Isco, Pogba, Hazard, Neymar, among others.
I think Gotze has the potential to be world class. He was doing really well at Dortmund. However, he has not developed as expected under Guardiola where he rarely plays.
There are good players that can play behind the striker like Griezmann, Dybala, Isco, James, Barkley, etc. IMO Griezmann would be great here and he is not unrealistic.
That's just one among other more important reasons. He'd earn shitloads of money for in my view too little return; I like to use that money for players I'm more convinced of that they will play an important role for us.
It would also be a terrible signal that no matter how you've been doing on and off the pitch after you've left and how you parted with BVB: There's a return guarantee.
These two reasons scream already a loud NO. On top of that, he's injury-prone. An injury prone-player on a big salary: Again, a firm no.
That I disliked him long before he announced his move to Bayern, and that the way he handled the move confirmed my opinion of him is just number 4 of my list. Contrary to many other BVB fans, I didn't think his move as such was ungrateful to BVB or that he moved to Bayern. I couldn't care less, that's business, and that his grand parents and parents are from Bavaria makes it even more understandable why he jumped on Bayern's ship.
I hope this is not a serious post. This constant overrating of other players is becoming ludicrous now. He's not a far better player than Mata, he has not shown anything of that sort at Bayern. He is talented but he has not progressed since moving to Bayern.
I could care less about how he has faired at Bayern. He proved himself at Dortmund and for the Germany national team. He has also hardly played in his best role at Bayern. But what is Mata's excuse? He has consistently underwhelmed in his so called best position as a ten and his only consistent spell for the team has come as a false 7. Mata is so overrated it's untrue! One of the biggest reasons for United struggling this season has been how nigh useless he and Rooney have been for most of this season. The two players our management believed would lead our attack. Mata has to pray LVG stays on. For Mourinho was correct about him and would ship him out the first chance he gets if he were United boss next summer. Its quite baffling how he constantly keeps Herrera and Pereira on the bench.
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I agree. He didnt fulfill his potential and people overrate him for his performances during 1 season
one local munich newspaper used a strange wording in one of the numerous articles about Götze, something like "...as his transfer back to BVB has not *yet* been officially announced...". Made it sound as if the writer knew it was already a done deal.
Well, BVB have a record of welcoming their old heroes back, Sahin, Kagawa - but with a very lukewarm success rate so far.
Sahin looks again excellent since his return from injury in my opinion. He just needs to stay healthy and Weigl + Sahin seems to be a quality base in midfield even if Gündogan leaves. Kagawa is still struggling. Never really bought fully into the praise at the beginning of this season and he has been a squad player since the winterbreak. But even with the 'lukewarm success', both transfers were good value for them and shouldn't be called flops or anything like that.
Dortmund would be stupid to miss out on Götze for sentimental reasons, because they won't attract a player of his talent easily in today's market. I get that the fans will hate it at first, but they'll get over it if he regains form and starts playing well for them.
I agree. If we would erase their former histories with the Club, I doubt anyone would speak like that. Sahin cost us 7 Mil. € in total to bring him back, singlehandily filled the void of the so called "unreplacable" Gündogan, when he was injured for over a year and is IMO in normal form our best anchor player right now (he is in defense still better than Weigl as of now). Kagawa had less impact, but even as good squad option he was still a steal for 8 Mil. €. Thats the same we got for Hofmann.
IF the conditions are right, Götze is truly willing to take a major pay cut and the belief of Tuchel & Co. is that he could reach his former level again, this transfer would make us stronger. I was clearly against this for a long time but with a bit of distance and thinking about this more, it would certainly show that Götze is in terms of character stronger than I gave him credit for. Having to earn back every bit of respect from the majority of the support which he lost with his move, is not an easy task and clearly shows balls on his part. He basically has to do what Möller did in the 90ies, which turned out to be a major success, as he was vital in our biggest triumph and multiple league titles.
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I agree with Sphaero, Sahin has been vital for the team when he rejoined the club, especially under Klopp when the build up turned to shit as soon as he was injured. We'll have to wait and see how Tuchel rates him, but I think that he did surprisingly well lately, after coming back from such a lengthly injury.
Kagawa is a bit of a different story. He was rather underwhelming for the first half year after returning to Dortmund, though that may partially be explained by a lack of fitness and Dortund's dire overall form. I think towards the second half he picked up steam and his form visibly improved. I'd say the first half of this season was actually pretty good, at times he looked close to his 11/12 form and the 4 goals and 7 assists he picked up in the first 16 Bundesliga games underline that. However since the winter break he seems to be out of shape (aside from the Mainz match).
But still, €7m and €8m for two players, who probably are going to be experienced squad players at worst in the future is a very good return imho, especially if you look at what kind of fees are paid these days: Hofmann went to Gladbach for the same amount and Malli supposedly would've cost as much as the two of them combined this winter. Kagawa is also great for marketing and merchandise and Sahin is supposedly an influental player in the dressing room. I don't think anyone has a slither of regret with those two.
I still have trouble imagining a Götze return. The hatred every time he returned with Bayern was just too severe.
Götze taking a pay cut in order to play in front of that same crowd every week, the pressure and disturbance it would cause within the club even if they manage to spin this right and trying to get Bayenrn to sell him for a fair price to their biggest national competitor are some very big obstacles.
Though obviously he would likely improve Dortmund's squad and could potentially turn out to be a bargain if he gets back his confindence.
I agree with Sphaero, Sahin has been vital for the team when he rejoined the club, especially under Klopp when the build up turned to shit as soon as he was injured. We'll have to wait and see how Tuchel rates him, but I think that he did surprisingly well lately, after coming back from such a lengthly injury.
Kagawa is a bit of a different story. He was rather underwhelming for the first half year after returning to Dortmund, though that may partially be explained by a lack of fitness and Dortund's dire overall form. I think towards the second half he picked up steam and his form visibly improved. I'd say the first half of this season was actually pretty good, at times he looked close to his 11/12 form and the 4 goals and 7 assists he picked up in the first 16 Bundesliga games underline that. However since the winter break he seems to be out of shape (aside from the Mainz match).
But still, €7m and €8m for two players, who probably are going to be experienced squad players at worst in the future is a very good return imho, especially if you look at what kind of fees are paid these days: Hofmann went to Gladbach for the same amount and Malli supposedly would've cost as much as the two of them combined this winter. Kagawa is also great for marketing and merchandise and Sahin is supposedly an influental player in the dressing room. I don't think anyone has a slither of regret with those two.
I still have trouble imagining a Götze return. The hatred every time he returned with Bayern was just too severe.
Götze taking a pay cut in order to play in front of that same crowd every week, the pressure and disturbance it would cause within the club even if they manage to spin this right and trying to get Bayenrn to sell him for a fair price to their biggest national competitor are some very big obstacles.
Though obviously he would likely improve Dortmund's squad and could potentially turn out to be a bargain if he gets back his confindence.
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@do.ob i mostly agree and it's all well. Still both were considered the Best in a team that created excitement all over Europe. which is why United resp. Real hired them. They were top 5 material on their positions within Europe. Now, they aren't.
I don't think Sahin is necessarily playing worse than when he left. I think he's just getting a lot less space than during his first stint at Dortmund, which emphasizes his lack of mobility/agility. I'm not sure about Kagawa, if he had managed to hold on to his form from the first half of the season he might not be that far off, considering he's playing in a deeper role now and is less central to Dortmund's play because they don't rely on him running the show anymore. I don't know how to explain this second half of the season. Maybe he's just inconsistent?
Freddie Röckenhause wrote another article for SZ: http://www.sueddeutsche.de/sport/bo...goetzes-flirt-mit-der-vergangenheit-1.2922299
some cliff notes:
-Götze doesn't believe he has a future in Munich, supposedly wanted to go back to Dortmund in 2015, but Bayern's demands were too high [accoding friends in Dortmund]
-A move to Dortmund is Götze's explicit wish [according to people in his entourage]
-There were supposedly first talks at the executive dinner when both clubs faced each other a couple of weeks ago
-He says something about a fee of around €20m, but I'm not sure if that is supposed to be some sort of insider information or just the author's personal guess.
-Foreign clubs might offer more, but the clubs that Götze was dreaming about a couple of years ago (I guess Barca and Real) aren't interested and security and stability are a top priority for Götze to reboot his career. Liverpool may be an option in theory, but they likely won't offer CL football.
This might actually be on (like donkey kong).
Now before you all laugh at me for believing this - I know, "a friend told me" is usually journalistic code for "I'm freestyling here" - bear in mind that SZ is one of the most reputable papers in Germany and the author (Röckenhaus) in particular is one of the most well informed reporters when it comes to Dortmund.
some cliff notes:
-Götze doesn't believe he has a future in Munich, supposedly wanted to go back to Dortmund in 2015, but Bayern's demands were too high [accoding friends in Dortmund]
-A move to Dortmund is Götze's explicit wish [according to people in his entourage]
-There were supposedly first talks at the executive dinner when both clubs faced each other a couple of weeks ago
-He says something about a fee of around €20m, but I'm not sure if that is supposed to be some sort of insider information or just the author's personal guess.
-Foreign clubs might offer more, but the clubs that Götze was dreaming about a couple of years ago (I guess Barca and Real) aren't interested and security and stability are a top priority for Götze to reboot his career. Liverpool may be an option in theory, but they likely won't offer CL football.
This might actually be on (like donkey kong).
Now before you all laugh at me for believing this - I know, "a friend told me" is usually journalistic code for "I'm freestyling here" - bear in mind that SZ is one of the most reputable papers in Germany and the author (Röckenhaus) in particular is one of the most well informed reporters when it comes to Dortmund.
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It makes way too much sense for him and the club not to do it. It would suck that we have to let him go back for significantly less than what we paid, but I guess we'll survive. After all, we got Lewandowski for free .
I just hope he gets his career back on track and does well for the nationalteam. Hopefully we can solve the thing before the Euro starts, so that he can relax and focus on that. We really need him in his best possible form.
.I just hope he gets his career back on track and does well for the nationalteam. Hopefully we can solve the thing before the Euro starts, so that he can relax and focus on that. We really need him in his best possible form.
Best options for both parties, Götze and Dortmund in this case. Hopefully he wont go to Liverpool.