Marcus Rashford (out)

To be fair his brother is doing a good job. He's settled for life doing less than the minimum effort of being a pro athlete.

And as much as we hate it his PR works, he got years of leeway not many players get

Maybe he's lazy deep inside and only in it for the money, which is already guaranteed
His PR has always been obvious ego boosting bullshit typical of a modern day attention seeking celebrity. Only idiots lap that nonsense up.
Rashford got more leeway than most due to being local, being an academy product, and looking like he was destined to become one of the better players in the league. United fans are obsessed with youth players (it's in our "DNA") so they'll always get special treatment
 
And if he doesn't, then what? Keep pandering to them that you can sign big deals, not fulfill your end of the bargain and we reward you with the luxury of choosing where you want to play at our expense? This is what he is leaning on, that if he doesn't get a move he will be reintegrated, score a few goals and start coasting again.

Take that option away from him and he will be serious about moving in the next window. He is an unprofessional twat who still thinks Saudi is beneath him thereby fecking us in the process. I don't see, setting standards and sticking to them, even in the most extreme way, as being petty. If we show him that we are prepared to end his career he will take the next flight out.
It's a risk that all clubs take when signing someone on big wages. Ultimately the club offered the deal and these are the consequences of paying players huge wages.

The club needs to be more sensible with the contracts they offer out to avoid being in situations like this.
 
It's a risk that all clubs take when signing someone on big wages. Ultimately the club offered the deal and these are the consequences of paying players huge wages.

The club needs to be more sensible with the contracts they offer out to avoid being in situations like this.
No argument from me on that but we are talking about how to get out of huge hole Murtough and Arnold dug us into with Rashford. We can't be soft or sentimental on this, if he wants to stick to his wage demands then show him that once he sabotages a move there is nothing to come back to at United. He could do a Bale but can he hold out for 3 years?

Put him to the test, make him sacrifice something (his career) for that money and send a message to the rest that a stay at United must be earned. One way or the other he will find a way out, on better terms for us, than subsidising his loan moves.
 
Doenst kane and mbappe have also their families as agents? It worked quite well for them as well. Eventually they got the transfer they wanted.

It's easier to handle players when they've made it from academy. Agents like (I forgot his name) is another thing where he financed kids from early years hoping their investment would strike jackpot with South American kids

And his brother would have lawyers doing the details. He's just there to take the cut and make sure his goons are doing their job. It's not that simple off course but hardly rocket science
 
His PR has always been obvious ego boosting bullshit typical of a modern day attention seeking celebrity. Only idiots lap that nonsense up.
Rashford got more leeway than most due to being local, being an academy product, and looking like he was destined to become one of the better players in the league. United fans are obsessed with youth players (it's in our "DNA") so they'll always get special treatment

It works though. Love it or hate it. So he's doing alright from business point of view. Even if nothing new comes up he's mint for life
 
He should be frozen out completely if he doesn't move this month.

Disagree. The manager should open the door if he's willing to work hard. I don't expect that to be the case, but he should do it. Sends the right signal to the group.

Work hard, you're in. Don't, you're out. If he's gonna sit on his wages for the next six months there's no downside to trying to work with him.
 
Disagree. The manager should open the door if he's willing to work hard. I don't expect that to be the case, but he should do it. Sends the right signal to the group.

Work hard, you're in. Don't, you're out. If he's gonna sit on his wages for the next six months there's no downside to trying to work with him.

Maybe he just doesn't rate him as a footballer? Even if, and it's a big if Rashford starts working hard on and off the pitch, he's still missing the basics in a system like Rubens.
 
Maybe he just doesn't rate him as a footballer? Even if, and it's a big if Rashford starts working hard on and off the pitch, he's still missing the basics in a system like Rubens.

Sure. You're probably right. I don't think he fits it even when he can be arsed, but that's just me.

That still doesn't negate that the manager has to do what's best for the club though. We're short on attackers, we're short on goal-scorers. If, and it's quite a big if, he doesn't go out on loan, we'd be stupid to not at least try to get something out of that 300k a week outlay. Even if it's just an option off the bench that's a bit different. Our attackers are playing crap so we need to squeeze everything out of the squad we can from now until the end of the season.

It's a moot point though, he's off on loan.
 
Sure. You're probably right. I don't think he fits it even when he can be arsed, but that's just me.

That still doesn't negate that the manager has to do what's best for the club though. We're short on attackers, we're short on goal-scorers. If, and it's quite a big if, he doesn't go out on loan, we'd be stupid to not at least try to get something out of that 300k a week outlay. Even if it's just an option off the bench that's a bit different. Our attackers are playing crap so we need to squeeze everything out of the squad we can from now until the end of the season.

It's a moot point though, he's off on loan.
IF he doesn’t go, that might happen.

But while window open, it’s the right thing. Rashford clearly has some problems to sort and that interview was just stupid … you can’t have players doing that. We’re sending a clear message to him and every other player, including academy ones who may look at him as the one to emulate, that it’s 100% club or nothing. In everyone’s interest for him to move on.
 
So is this looking dead in the water at the moment? I saw Milan were out. Hopefully someone desperate enough saves our bacon before our reserves are stuck with him until summer.
 
IF he doesn’t go, that might happen.

But while window open, it’s the right thing. Rashford clearly has some problems to sort and that interview was just stupid … you can’t have players doing that. We’re sending a clear message to him and every other player, including academy ones who may look at him as the one to emulate, that it’s 100% club or nothing. In everyone’s interest for him to move on.

I agree completely

all I'm saying is it won't hurt to give him a bit more rope to hang himself if we're stuck with him

it sends a positive message to the group that if you work hard, you can come back into the fold

chances are he'll let us down, of course.. but there's no downside to trying, in my view
 
I will never understand why players employ their family as agents. Get a fecking professional. How many clients does Dwayne Maynard have, has he ever facilitated a transfer?
I google on his agency, and here’s a list of players currently under his management:

Marcus Rashford
Finlay Lockett (Bolton Wanderers)
Toby Green (Stockport County)
Cuba Diboe (Currently no club)
Chantelle Boye-Hlorkah (Aston Villa Women's)
Brooklyn Genesini (Weymouth)
Lois Maynard (Radcliffe FC)

Marcus is the the only one generating money I would guess.
 
Looking like he will end up staying. However, he is on the fringes now and he won’t have the usual blowing smoke up his arse.

Not played out well this one has it team Rashy?

Amorim needs to do nothing - they are letting Rashford orchestrate all this himself and see where it ends up.

Really hope we play hardball on the salary for a loan as I’m sure that’s what it will come down too. Hopefully Utd tell him to take a pay cut to go out on loan rather than us pay a big chunk.
 
It works though. Love it or hate it. So he's doing alright from business point of view. Even if nothing new comes up he's mint for life
Show me a shred of evidence beyond the stans in this thread that his PR works?
 
Disagree. The manager should open the door if he's willing to work hard. I don't expect that to be the case, but he should do it. Sends the right signal to the group.

Work hard, you're in. Don't, you're out. If he's gonna sit on his wages for the next six months there's no downside to trying to work with him.

Only if it's the exit.
 
Hopefully Rashford would get a reality check on what the footballing world thinks of his last couple of seasons. In his cocoon he seems to have blamed everyone but him.
With family as agent/advisor I don't think there's any chance of that. IMmo, he needs a clean break and to get a new agent/different advisors.
 
Disagree. The manager should open the door if he's willing to work hard. I don't expect that to be the case, but he should do it. Sends the right signal to the group.

Work hard, you're in. Don't, you're out. If he's gonna sit on his wages for the next six months there's no downside to trying to work with him.
You can't have Rashford earning triple what Amad is earning.

Rashford, Casemiro and Antony need to be managed out of the club
 
read the context
I read your post. It doesn't "send the right signal to the group."

If I'm out performing one of my peers at work whilst also working harder than him, I'd be livid if he was earning more than me, let alone triple what I'm earning.
 
I read your post. It doesn't "send the right signal to the group."

If I'm out performing one of my peers at work whilst also working harder than him, I'd be livid if he was earning more than me, let alone triple what I'm earning.

yep you're still lost

you're like a small child that's wandered into a movie
 
yep you're still lost

you're like a small child that's wandered into a movie
Ok then.

I just don't believe reintegrating Rashford into the group "sends the right signal." He's already downed tools and strolled about for 18 months. I think freezing him out "sends the right signal."

Apologies if I've misunderstood your opinion.
 
Disagree. The manager should open the door if he's willing to work hard. I don't expect that to be the case, but he should do it. Sends the right signal to the group.

Work hard, you're in. Don't, you're out. If he's gonna sit on his wages for the next six months there's no downside to trying to work with him.

Tbf the manager did open the door when he dropped him, it was a clear message, work hard or you'll stay dropped, and Rashford reacted by saying what he said to Henry Winter.

Amorim won't have planned to have Rashford for the rest of the season, and given his system is so hard to train, I don't see why he'd want to waste his time on making him a part of it.

Having said that Amorim won't have much choice I'd imagine espcially if Garnacho is sold.
 
Ok then.

I just don't believe reintegrating Rashford into the group "sends the right signal." He's already downed tools and strolled about for 18 months. I think freezing him out "sends the right signal."

Apologies if I've misunderstood your opinion.

No worries, sorry for being pedantic.

You're responding to my posts with things I agree with. So yeah we're on the same page, but talking about different things.

I'm 100 percent on board with freezing him out and selling him, in case it isn't clear.
 
Tbf the manager did open the door when he dropped him, it was clear message, work hard or you'll stay dropped, and Rashford reacted by saying what he said to Henry Winter.

Amorim won't have planned to have Rashford for the rest of the season, and given his system is so hard to train, I don't see why he'd want to waste his time on making him a part of it.

Having said that Amorim won't have much choice I'd imagine espcially if Garnacho is sold.

yeah, I think the manager handled it brilliantly

I just hope we manage to shift him
 
The whole mood and effort levels in the playing squad is better than it has been In ages. No way we should risk letting him disrupt that.