Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

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These stories always make me wonder what he actually did, or rather didn't do, in this case.

Is he just being lazy as feck, or refusing to do drills, or just not playing well in training? Would be wild for him to have a new coach come in and visibly half arse it.
 
BILD reporting that talks to bring Rashford to Dortmund are advanced.
 
These stories always make me wonder what he actually did, or rather didn't do, in this case.

Is he just being lazy as feck, or refusing to do drills, or just not playing well in training? Would be wild for him to have a new coach come in and visibly half arse it.
I think that's a large part of it, general application and how you train. If he repeatedly isn't meeting the standards the new coach has set, and has been effectively punished for it, it's testament to the new coach and how is he demanding of the squad. And going off of even the last two performances, the squad is responding.
 
These stories always make me wonder what he actually did, or rather didn't do, in this case.

Is he just being lazy as feck, or refusing to do drills, or just not playing well in training? Would be wild for him to have a new coach come in and visibly half arse it.
I think it's a combination of both and the club will have statistics to back it up.

For fans, you don't even have to delve too deep. Just the eye test will show you. There is no fundamental reason why Salah should be working harder and running harder on the pitch than Rashford. Except he is injured or has lung disease, it doesn't just make sense. The only explanation is motivation and application.

For me, the refusal to banish a player that was blatantly not putting in maximum effort was the beginning of the end for Ten Hag. You can't continue to play Rashford and then drop others for a lack of effort. Your credibility goes out the window.
 
These stories always make me wonder what he actually did, or rather didn't do, in this case.

Is he just being lazy as feck, or refusing to do drills, or just not playing well in training? Would be wild for him to have a new coach come in and visibly half arse it.
Can't see him refusing to do whatever training is setup, but he just does it badly as whatever spark he had is faded.

His off-field work and life overshadowed his playing career and can't be recovered.

Lucky for him he has a world star salary to sit on for years, even though I'd imagine he has a lot of hanger-ons to finance.

He needs a move, knows he needs a move but will not budge on that salary, so salary trumps playing.
 
I think it's a combination of both and the club will have statistics to back it up.

For fans, you don't even have to delve too deep. Just the eye test will show you. There is no fundamental reason why Salah should be working harder and running harder on the pitch than Rashford. Except he is injured or has lung disease, it doesn't just make sense. The only explanation is motivation and application.

For me, the refusal to banish a player that was blatantly not putting in maximum effort was the beginning of the end for Ten Hag. You can't continue to play Rashford and then drop others for a lack of effort. Your credibility goes out the window.

Yes, I was thinking about the incident one time when Rashford thought he was being subbed off by ETH. His whole reaction said 'who me??'. As if why on earth would he be subbed – even though he was underperforming again. But of course it wasn't Rashford, it was someone else being subbed. Says it all for me, that.
 
I think it's a combination of both and the club will have statistics to back it up.

For fans, you don't even have to delve too deep. Just the eye test will show you. There is no fundamental reason why Salah should be working harder and running harder on the pitch than Rashford. Except he is injured or has lung disease, it doesn't just make sense. The only explanation is motivation and application.

For me, the refusal to banish a player that was blatantly not putting in maximum effort was the beginning of the end for Ten Hag. You can't continue to play Rashford and then drop others for a lack of effort. Your credibility goes out the window.
This. ETH pandered to him and lost his credibility. The problem with ETH was how opportunistic he was in latching on to short term form/results, remember how McTominay's goal threat was exploited, but forgot emphasis on developing a style and making it sustainable.
 
These stories always make me wonder what he actually did, or rather didn't do, in this case.

Is he just being lazy as feck, or refusing to do drills, or just not playing well in training? Would be wild for him to have a new coach come in and visibly half arse it.
He visibly half arses matches at times so…
 
I think it's a combination of both and the club will have statistics to back it up.

For fans, you don't even have to delve too deep. Just the eye test will show you. There is no fundamental reason why Salah should be working harder and running harder on the pitch than Rashford. Except he is injured or has lung disease, it doesn't just make sense. The only explanation is motivation and application.

For me, the refusal to banish a player that was blatantly not putting in maximum effort was the beginning of the end for Ten Hag. You can't continue to play Rashford and then drop others for a lack of effort. Your credibility goes out the window.
Yeah it would be interesting if this is based off stats or simply Ruben seeing a player who is not visibly giving their all. The latter would be crazy given he was a new manager in and usually that is when players will put in the extra effort.
He visibly half arses matches at times so…
I always imagined it might be the pressure of playing that got to him - early on I swear remember managers talking about him having a good attitude (LVG, Mou) but then I guess it waned. These days you can see him try but as soon as he loses the ball or someone goes past him, his head drops and you feel like he's given up.
 
These stories always make me wonder what he actually did, or rather didn't do, in this case.

Is he just being lazy as feck, or refusing to do drills, or just not playing well in training? Would be wild for him to have a new coach come in and visibly half arse it.

Well that's what he's done on the pitch so doubt it's any different in training.
I always remember the way Bellingham was looking at him when they were training for England. Like Rashford was just having a laugh and not taking it seriously.
 
It's Dortmund, they'd probably take him on loan this season, hype him up like Sancho and then not sign him permanently come summer.
 
If their hyping him up means some other club then sign him, Im fine with it :P
True, you're right. It's just he's got 3,5 years left on his contract and on huge wages so it'll be difficult to get rid. But if he does well at Dortmund then great, there'd be more buyers ready to actually pay enough.
 
If I were in Marcus' 'camp' I would be looking at the Garnacho chat and be thinking: 'Go to Napoli.'

Milan is a bigger club, yes, but they're fighting for the European spots and Rashford will have to dislodge Leão to play where he likes to. Napoli are top, and after Inter dropped points yesterday, even if Inter win their game in hand, they'll be separated only by goal difference. If it's just a loan why not go and be part of a title race, especially with Kvara gone to PSG?

Why leave United to fight for Europa League football elsewhere? Surely that's a backward step. Go see if you can win a Scudetto.
 
If I were in Marcus' 'camp' I would be looking at the Garnacho chat and be thinking: 'Go to Napoli.'

Milan is a bigger club, yes, but they're fighting for the European spots and Rashford will have to dislodge Leão to play where he likes to. Napoli are top, and after Inter dropped points yesterday, even if Inter win their game in hand, they'll be separated only by goal difference. If it's just a loan why not go and be part of a title race, especially with Kvara gone to PSG?

Why leave United to fight for Europa League football elsewhere? Surely that's a backward step. Go see if you can win a Scudetto.
He’ll get to team up with former players too in McTominay and Lukaku
 
This. ETH pandered to him and lost his credibility. The problem with ETH was how opportunistic he was in latching on to short term form/results, remember how McTominay's goal threat was exploited, but forgot emphasis on developing a style and making it sustainable.

I think its more complex than that. Mitten stated that all managers had issues with Rashy. ETH is said to have gotten the job because he promised to get the best out of Rashford. Its evident that the previous regime made it obvious that whatever happens, the Rashy project had to be successful. Which explains why Rashford seem to have gone away with everything which including having a club legend/manager apologizing to him in public. It also explains why things only changed when the new administration came in.
 
I think its more complex than that. Mitten stated that all managers had issues with Rashy. ETH is said to have gotten the job because he promised to get the best out of Rashford. Its evident that the previous regime made it obvious that whatever happens, the Rashy project had to be successful. Which explains why Rashford seem to have gone away with everything which including having a club legend/manager apologizing to him in public. It also explains why things only changed when the new administration came in.

Didn’t Mitten then partially u-turn on his comments? I also find it implausible any manager was tasked with getting the best out of any one player, rather than the team generally - who has said that was the case?

Also, it’s utter nonsense that Ole was “forced to apologise” to Rashford. He, very sensibly, clarified his comments probably because it wasn’t seen as a good look FOR THE CLUB to be suggesting football was more important than food for kids.
 
Only in LaLaLand. In the real world probably half that with "normal" wages, but less with what he's on.

Peak Rashford was a player scoring 30 goals in open play and creating 15 more from left wing who constantly scored against the biggest clubs. While being under 25.

This was at a time when players like Nunez and Grealish were going for 100m and Antony for 80+.

Annoying to think about but there gave certainly been times when we could have almost certainly got 100m for him.

I do think those crazy transfer fees have tapered off anyway.
 
Ok so the simple solution is to simply send him out on loan so he plays. You are ignoring the fact that Rashford not playing is a temporary problem not permanent. Rashford isn't injured. That's exactly why we shouldn't sell him right now. Loan him, let him play, raise his value and then sell him in the summer when there are more clubs in the market. Don't panic sell.


We want to buy in the summer. I have seen no credible reports of us trying to do any major deals in the winter. The only deal we seem to be doing is £3-4 Million for Leon so no we don't need to sell Rashford in this window.

You seem to want to Rashford to be sold for a low amount so that it validates your hatred of him. If we sell him for nothing you get to say 'See, I told you he sucks'. It's very odd. Giving Rashford away doesn't help the club.
Assumes that Rashford knuckles down when on loan. Maybe not being arsed is his default setting now.
 
Barca would be a bad deal for both him and United.

He doesn't get over any of their front 3. It's not like Milan when their starters might be better but the gap in quality isn't that big. Rashford is probably currently a level below the Barca backups too.
 
Assumes that Rashford knuckles down when on loan. Maybe not being arsed is his default setting now.

That’s a chance we have to take though. The reality is that his performances this season for us would be sufficient for him to put up good numbers in Germany or Italy, with some decent supply. Unless his performances get worse on loan, which seems unlikely, I can only see there being an upside.

Of course, we don’t know whether there is more off-field drama than has been briefed. If he goes to Milan and is constantly in Milan nightclubs then that wouldn’t be helpful. You’d imagine his own team will be doing everything they can to make sure he’s focussing on football for at least the rest of the season though.
 
A players record always matters because it shows what he is capable of at his best. The record is always relevant, saying different just to justify your hatred is crazy. Clubs always look at a players record to determine a fee..it's literally how clubs determine the price. Rashford has hit 40 GA in one of our worst teams. Rashford is capable of scoring 15+goals, 10+ assists in the right team..that is certainly worth more than £20M.

Rashford hasn't had a career threatening injury so under the right circumstances he could get back to his best. You lot also never like to admit that we have been the worst run big club in the world and we haven't really had any world class players since Sir Alex left. This isn't only a Rashford problem. Common sense tells you that in a different environment he is capable of getting back to his best. But your hatred would never allow you to admit that.

Of course you don't care about the % now that I called you out about how absurd your post was. You certainly cared about the % when you made that post.

Tell us how you came up with 75%.

But you are admitting that you just made up a %, it's not actually based on anything besides your personal vendetta against the player and therefore we shouldn't take you seriously. Thanks for clarifying. Got it.
Calm down Marcus, get your finger out of your arse and get back to training.
 
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