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Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan
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All that talent means nothing if you don't make an effort
When was the last time we as a team have consistently put in good performances? Last time I checked, we have 23 points in 20 matches. We lost multiple games with Rashford out of the team. In the context of some of the awful teams that he has played in, his record is better than you want to admit. Players in bad teams don't normally perform at a high level. No Ballon d'Or winners playing in teams that are barely above the relegation zone.
Even Postecoglou said that Salah would struggle at Spurs and Spurs are ahead of us in the table. Salah is one of the best players in the world but he also plays in one of the best teams. The team plays a huge part in individual success.
If you want to talk about how poor Rashford is then you also have to speak about how poor most of the teams he has played in have been. But providing context wouldn't fit your narrative.
But please let us know about these great team performances.
It’s from an ESPN article hardly nowhere. You just can’t handle being wrong.
Morata isn’t on that much no one at Milan is and he was coming off the back of a productive season not sat in the stands and having been poor for 18 months.
We owe Rashford something like 50m in wages for the rest of his contract. No one will pay him more than half that and given they know we are desperate and he can’t even get on the bench and he’s been bad for 18 months it’s really quite obvious that we aren’t get a big fee for him. You’d have to be a complete idiot to pay a big fee for Rashford.
He's seriously angry over Mount for some reason
No alcohol for Lashford
Mount wasn't injury prone (he had one injury that did require surgery at the end of his time with Chelsea, but before that he had almost Bruno-like availability) and he was bought when ETH moved to a system that used two #10's, similar to what Amorim does now. It was a stupid system that obviously didn't work, but Mount was bought to fit that system. Questions can definitely be asked about the fee of £55m with one year left on his contract, his fairly average form in his last season, and whether he was the right player to sign even if those weren't the case, but people seem to focus on the things that aren't particularly valid issues.
The writing has been on the wall for about 12-18 months. The usual Clean Slate FC thinking whenever a new manager comes in might have been over stated by Rashford's camp. But the lack of interest and unwillingness to go anywhere near him because of his wages should be a bit of an ego check on him.
Yep, its interesting that AC Milan were the front runners, seemed like his agent was pushing him and probably pushing Milan into the move however; the fact that they prefer Walker just shows what clubs think of Rashford.
His best bet is to go to Saudi and get paid. His footballing career is finished.
Indeed you did say Havertz but I assume that is also ‘false’ and poor examples using your own logic as Mount and Havertz were few years younger than Rashford in same way Aubamayeng and Ozil were older.
Can easily see him saying and training with the kids for 4 weeks, Amorim just doesn’t rate him at all even from the bench.
Havertz is 25 and Rashford is 27... Ozil left when he was 34... but okay 7 years and 2 years is the same for you.. Makes sense.
But is he really on 300k? I thought the wages were reduced because we failed to qualify for CL.
But even so what would the amount be for 5 month loan? Around 6 m ...
I get not wanting to pay a loan fee but if the seriosly propose we pay half his wages they should feck off
But even so what would the amount be for 5 month loan? Around 6 m ...
I get not wanting to pay a loan fee but if the seriosly propose we pay half his wages they should feck off
25% reduction with no champions league is supposedly in all the players contracts. So 225k ish. But 300k or 350k sounds so much more dramatic.
But Havertz was sold at 24 like Mount, so not 27 and Ozil was 34 when he retired not when he left Arsenal. So you are making no sense and making up figures.
If you want to make age a defining factor then at least get the ages right and don’t pick people who aren’t same as Rashford or like I said it’s ’false ‘ by your own logic.
So basically being down a player until May
The Havertz fee and wages were a mistake by Arsenal, similar to us with Mount. I doubt any clubs will be stupid enough to make the same mistake.
Loaning Rashford out does not guarantee a rise in value. What if he performs poorly on loan? Even if he performs well, there are still only a handful of clubs that can pay those sort of wages and pay a large fee. Most of those clubs have better options than Rashford.
It's very unlikely that we're going to get good money for Rashford because of the previous regime's stupidity with contracts. We will sell him for a low fee and you will have to find a way to cope with that.
That's a pathetic offer by AC Milan. A loan without paying a loan fee and covering just half in wages. Which ends up saving United, what, 3 million?
Dealing with Italian clubs is a waste of time.
Rashford has to go and at the same time is unsellable. If someone came in and offered £25 million for him, I'd drive him there.
Dealing with Italian clubs is a waste of time.
Rashford has to go and at the same time is unsellable. If someone came in and offered £25 million for him, I'd drive him there.
I don't think a preference in Walker is relevant to what clubs think of Rashford, this is an Italian team and their first preference is nearly always a defensive player
Even that figure will include add ons like making the squad, playing the game etc it'll be less than that I would imagine.
Plenty of talents have stood out in crap teams. Speaking of Liverpool, they were crap when Suarez was tearing it up for them. Arsenal were fairly crap when Robin Van Persie was tearing up the league also. Even if you look at some International teams like Poland who are average, Lewandowski has 84 goals in 156 international appearances. Stop making excuses for a decent talent at best, who is incredibly self entitled and lazy.
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Mount was one of the 3 best/key players on a CL winner
Former Manchester United striker Teddy Sheringham believes Marcus Rashford would have been "booted out the door" had he declared interest in a challenge elsewhere during Sir Alex Ferguson's tenure.
In an interview with journalist Henry Winter last month, Rashford declared he was "ready for a new challenge", just two days after being left out of the squad for the Manchester derby victory over City at the Etihad Stadium.
Asked which club Rashford should join to reignite his career, Sheringham, speaking to OLBG, said: "I don't know and I don't care, really. I think the way he's come out and said that 'he's ready for a new challenge' is beyond me.
"You used to get foreigners coming into England saying that sort of thing and people think, 'yeah, okay'. However, when it's one of your own from Manchester; a Manchester boy that should understand the privilege it is to play for Manchester United and where you're at when you're playing for Manchester United.
"Every player in the world growing up still wants to play for Manchester United and he's saying now that he wants a new challenge somewhere. I don't understand it.
"Fergie would've booted him out the door by now if he'd have said that while he was in his tenure. He's obviously going to go somewhere, but I think his days are numbered at Man United."
In an interview with journalist Henry Winter last month, Rashford declared he was "ready for a new challenge", just two days after being left out of the squad for the Manchester derby victory over City at the Etihad Stadium.
Asked which club Rashford should join to reignite his career, Sheringham, speaking to OLBG, said: "I don't know and I don't care, really. I think the way he's come out and said that 'he's ready for a new challenge' is beyond me.
"You used to get foreigners coming into England saying that sort of thing and people think, 'yeah, okay'. However, when it's one of your own from Manchester; a Manchester boy that should understand the privilege it is to play for Manchester United and where you're at when you're playing for Manchester United.
"Every player in the world growing up still wants to play for Manchester United and he's saying now that he wants a new challenge somewhere. I don't understand it.
"Fergie would've booted him out the door by now if he'd have said that while he was in his tenure. He's obviously going to go somewhere, but I think his days are numbered at Man United."
i mean, it's not like Amorim is playing him, Teddy...
I mean, you're missing the part where Rashford said he was ready for a new challenge, just two days after being dropped from the match day squad. He reckons SAF would of booted him out the door after those comments.
how many minutes has Rashford played since those comments?
He is getting the boot, Teddy. But nobody wants to pick him up.
TBH SAF would have booted him out long before he'd gotten to that point
Surely one of the PL teams can put together 4-5m for loan for half a season. It's not _that_ much money even if you think the weekly wages of 225k p/w are high. He'd be stellar in a counter attacking side like Forest. Hell, Elanga has been good for them and I know for a fact that Rashford's better than Elanga.
Its irrelevent really, Teddy is speaking into Rash's response just two days after being dropped. Two days !! Hope you understand:-)
How clearer does it need to be, that Rashford isn't up for the fight?! Hence his exclusion from the squad. Amorim has made the right call.
I think Marcus actually tried a bit under Amorim. But his mind drifted again. It was great to dream of him building on that 30+ goals etc. it won’t happen here. I don’t think we will see him being picked again - after the last few games, the memory of Rashford seems distant, of another time. Good luck to him in Saudi.
What annoys me in this is the fact that the player wants to leave, we seemingly want him to leave, someone wants to buy him, his performances haven't been up to scratch, and yet United are expected to fund some of his salary because he wants to keep his £350k* a week.
If a club wants him, then they pay his market value, and then they go to Rashford and say, "Actually bud, we can only give you £150k a week, soz, take it or leave it". None of this, "We really want him, but Marcus wants to keep his massive wage so we're going to deduct the difference from our bid".
Sick of it.
If a club wants him, then they pay his market value, and then they go to Rashford and say, "Actually bud, we can only give you £150k a week, soz, take it or leave it". None of this, "We really want him, but Marcus wants to keep his massive wage so we're going to deduct the difference from our bid".
Sick of it.
It is what it is. He thinks he is worth 350k per week and wants to play in top European level.
Money aside he's not that good and a detrimental to the team. He's practically an open door to whichever side he's on.
That's fine, but why the feck should a club he doesn't want to play for stump up for it. It's mind blowing. I know football is it's own bubble, but imagine I do shit at work, they decide they don't want me any more and I want to leave so I go to another company and get a pay cut, but then expect my current company to make up the shortfall. It's madness.
But you seem to be taking that as it will happen 1000% when in reality based on his whole career and especially the last 2/3 years what you're more likely to get is the same shite we've seen recently, so his value is more likely to go down if anything!
He can't be arsed to do it for the last 2 years + for the club he loves so much yet you keep saying he'll knuckle down for a club that means absolutely nothing to him and he's likely going to be getting a shit load less money if he moves to another club!
Oh and before you say it again. I don't hate him but how his attitude has been the last few years is absolutely disgusting and then he goes on the piss to make it even worse! He's a lazy arse and I'm pretty sure (92.8%) that won't change!
I'm wondering how much Rashford has left in the bank with supporters? I'm open to him staying if he was to step up like the rest have seemed to have done recently, but I just don't think he has it in him. The media circus around him will all have us believing x,y and z, but ultimately I think he's disrespected the club, the players, and us fans. I won't be happy if he comes back and puts in the same performances but how long will fans tolerate that before he starts getting booed, etc?
I think he will still be here in February and not kicking a ball for his huge salary.
I think he will still be here in February and not kicking a ball for his huge salary.
It’s because if we don’t offer to cover his wages he’d be more than happy to sit around collecting his mega wages doing feck all. Don’t have an issue with it - it’s just how the business side of it works.
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