Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

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lex talionis said:
It's a bad situation all the way around. Behind Door #1 we could fund his wages while playing for say Arsenal or West Ham. Behind Door #2 we could sell him for 20m, ideally to PSG or AC Milan, and be done with this nightmare. Behind Door #3 we could let him rot on the bench while paying him 350k/week.

Door #2 is by the best option, but his wages will probably in the end scare off even PSG. I would oppose Door #1 under any circumstances. Door #3 is a terrifying thought.

I don't recall any other player in his prime playing years being in this position before -- not wanted by his club but so vastly overpaid relative to his actual ability that no other club seems willing to take on his contract.
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I don't really see why you oppose option #1 "under any circumstances"? It certainly seems far better than option #3. We'd get minimum £5M to loan him out, probably closer to £10M with a loan fee. That's better than paying him to sit at home.
 
EnviedRed said:
I'm not absolving Rashford of responsibility for the downturn in his career. He absolutely has responsibility but the club also has some fault. The reality is that since Sir Alex there have been no players who have lived up to expectations except for maybe Bruno and we have spent over £1.6 Billion on transfers in the past 12 years. There is a deeper problem than Rashford that players come through United and their careers seem to die.

Everyone loves to criticize Rashford but won't admit that we have basically been playing a level about relegation football as a team for the past 18 months.

Rashford isn't a £100M player but he certainly isn't a £20M player. No club will sell us a player with Rashford talent for £20M, so why are we selling him for £20M.

So send Rashford to a better club on loan in an easier league and allow him to raise his value. There is so much money in football that £20M is an insult.
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You keep repeating yourself about his value whilst completely ignoring his wages. Yes, he's worth more than 20m but he's not worth anything close to his salary.

Which club(s) do you think will pay a large transfer fee AND match his salary?
 
Roboc7 said:
To be fair a lot of our former players who weren’t good enough have won Serie A titles, Damian, Young, Mkhitaryan and Alexis. Mctominay and Rashford may well end up on that list but there really shouldn’t be any fear about letting these sort of players go.

We’ve been way too slow to let players go previously and hopefully that is now changing.
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I am not afraid of letting go of Rashford.. its more that I think we need to give some of our players more a chance.

I want Rashford gone, no question about that but if I didn't know the ins and outs of Rashford, mainly his off the ball work / off field issues and was presented with his numbers, I guarantee you, the figure if we were to sign a 27 year old would be north of £50m.

We need to get demand good money, thats all.
 
I think a loan is the only possibility and I doubt it would be such a bad thing. Get something around 10m as a loan fee and I'm sure he will be doing better wherever he goes. The added motivation and the chance to change the narrative to absolve him of all blame and instead blame it all on "United" for whatever is going on.

Similar to the Sancho and Joao Felix situations. Hopefully that really bumps his value and we can finally get rid in the summer.

Someone mentioned that Napoli can't get him due to the non-eu quotas. Don't think anyone in Spain will take a punt and PSG are going for Kvara. That leaves Milan/Juve in Italy or the German/English clubs. Hope our executives have something up their sleeve.
 
Arsenal need a goal scorer badly. Hopefully they’re watching reels of Rashford’s “playing for a new contract” season rather than his many “usually I can’t be fecking arsed” seasons.
 
Leftback99 said:
An example of why we are where we are:

In the last 4 and half seasons in the PL:

Rashford:
Games 145 G43 A19

Newcastle backup Harvey Barnes:
Games 132 G38 A19
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I think that’s the main issue with Rashford’s stats — in the PL he’s never been more than a 1 in 3 at best. His best seasons have decent goal tallies in all comps, but he’s never been that clinical in the PL
 
Hopefully we get a reasonable fee for him and then we can stop the nonsense of selling garnacho.
 


I’m getting fed up with this. I know it probably makes sense from a business point of view to subsidise his wages and hope he impresses enough on loan for someone to buy him in the Summer but it’s infuriating having to pay him to play somewhere else because he’s not doing enough to get in our squad.
 
We should loan him to Arsenal. They need a striker, and are one of the few who can pay his whole wage.
Maybe a bit too farfetched.
 
Xeque_279 said:
I think a loan is the only possibility and I doubt it would be such a bad thing. Get something around 10m as a loan fee and I'm sure he will be doing better wherever he goes. The added motivation and the chance to change the narrative to absolve him of all blame and instead blame it all on "United" for whatever is going on.

Similar to the Sancho and Joao Felix situations. Hopefully that really bumps his value and we can finally get rid in the summer.

Someone mentioned that Napoli can't get him due to the non-eu quotas. Don't think anyone in Spain will take a punt and PSG are going for Kvara. That leaves Milan/Juve in Italy or the German/English clubs. Hope our executives have something up their sleeve.
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You really think there's someone desperate enough to shell out 10m for half a season of Rashford? Even if they don't pay a cent of his wages, that's the equivalent of ~417k/wk for him.
 
Milan is a good choice for him, they are the most vertical side in Serie A.
 
Their highest paid player is Morata on about £130k per week and I don't think they'd be willing to pay more than that.

United would have to pay £170k or no chance of it happening.
 
waza7111 said:
Their highest paid player is Morata on about £130k per week and I don't think they'd be willing to pay more than that.

United would have to pay £170k or no chance of it happening.
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I'm sure there's a big discrepancy, but Italian wages are often reported after tax, so need to be careful not to compare apples and oranges
 
G3079 said:
You really think there's someone desperate enough to shell out 10m for half a season of Rashford? Even if they don't pay a cent of his wages, that's the equivalent of ~417k/wk for him.
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I mean Chelsea payed 10m for Felix for a half season loan, I'd argue Rash is in a better position as a player than he was at that time. Environment and motivation matters a lot for players. One live example is that of Sancho, while he's not tearing any trees he looks like a completely different player for them than he did for us.

We've seen worse players move for more.
 
romufc said:
I am not afraid of letting go of Rashford.. its more that I think we need to give some of our players more a chance.

I want Rashford gone, no question about that but if I didn't know the ins and outs of Rashford, mainly his off the ball work / off field issues and was presented with his numbers, I guarantee you, the figure if we were to sign a 27 year old would be north of £50m.

We need to get demand good money, thats all.
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You can’t demand good money for someone earning 300k a week when their ability in no way deserves it. It’s a pipe dream we are going to get a big fee for him unless most of the money goes straight into Rashford’s pocket.

We need give to players less of a chance, players can do very little at Utd and be kept on for years and renew their contracts. We need to think long and hard about renewing a lot of these players or will just repeat the cycle of getting stuck with players who aren’t up to it.
 
DWelbz19 said:
I think that’s the main issue with Rashford’s stats — in the PL he’s never been more than a 1 in 3 at best. His best seasons have decent goal tallies in all comps, but he’s never been that clinical in the PL
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It's world class money for a slightly above average PL forward.
 
bb8 said:
I don't really see why you oppose option #1 "under any circumstances"? It certainly seems far better than option #3. We'd get minimum £5M to loan him out, probably closer to £10M with a loan fee. That's better than paying him to sit at home.
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He will surely get rehabilitated if he doesn't get a move out in this January window. Though he would have lost his earlier status in the team, and probably Amorin will make it a prerequisite for him to run to play in the team.
 
PlasticRed said:
His stats arnt actually that bad if you look at it in isolation. The issue is for the amount of money we are paying him, he isnt really value for money.

If MR was on 120k a week and was called Marcus O'Rashford. Nobody would care about him in the media. But when you are young, English and making best part of 400k a week, the spotlight is going to be on you and you have to deliver. MR has shown he is not capable of carrying that expectation so its better he leaves and finds his level, and we can spend that 400k a week on a couple of top players.
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I believe what he alludes to is that we pay (way) over the odds - in terms of wages - for quality others can acquire for a portion of the price and without the added drama. The player he mentioned is on about 1/4 of Rashford's salary, runs his socks off on the pitch because he actually has to earn a better contract at this level, and he tries to fit in the manager's system. Whereas Rashford doesn't really have to try and become a better player or fit in any plans because his status within the club dictates (or used to?) that the attack has to be built around his strengths. It's a self-inflicted problem. Attackers who rely on pace more than anything else and thrive mostly in open spaces usually don't cost 350 grand p/w.
 
waza7111 said:
Their highest paid player is Morata on about £130k per week and I don't think they'd be willing to pay more than that.

United would have to pay £170k or no chance of it happening.
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I am sure we'll ask for a loan fee in addition to them covering a part of his wages. That would take care of the part (at least partially) they are not covering.
 
Borussia Teeth said:
You keep repeating yourself about his value whilst completely ignoring his wages. Yes, he's worth more than 20m but he's not worth anything close to his salary.

Which club(s) do you think will pay a large transfer fee AND match his salary?
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I have not ignored wages. Arsenal paid £65 Million for Havertz and gave him £285K. Rashford is more talented than Havertz. So no we should not give away Rashford to Arsenal for £20M. Stop talking to me about wages and transfer fees. I'll repeat myself AGAIN..Rashford has to go on loan to raise his value, as I have said repeatedly.
 
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So what's a dry loan?

United drinks partner has to take care of hydration?
 
God these Italian clubs are broke. Last summer Juve wanted Sancho on a 'dry loan' as well.
 
Berbaclass said:
A straight loan, no option.
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Cheers.

Would prefer it to be a straight sale. If he's only in Milan for 5 months I don't really see any point for them to have much faith in him if he doesn't hit the ground running.
 
I still don’t understand why United should pay any wages to Rashford either on loan or if we sell him. He spoke on record that he was ready for a new challenge; well, sorry sir, but that might just come at a lower wage
 
DWelbz19 said:
I think that’s the main issue with Rashford’s stats — in the PL he’s never been more than a 1 in 3 at best. His best seasons have decent goal tallies in all comps, but he’s never been that clinical in the PL
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To be honest its more than his goal tally, even during the season he scored 30 goals, his game other than goals was a bit meh and hampered our team's play! I dont think he deserve to come back again just for taking things granted and not putting hard work over the years!!
 
If he's that desperate for a new challenge and to earn a place back in the England squad, then why can't he taker a pay cut? May as well keep him as a backup until the summer if we're going to
be paying half his wages
 
AngeloHenriquez said:
You do realise even if you were basing it off formulas/ data etc it would still be made up? As you would literally be making it up whether it's based off more data or less doesn't matter, that poster has deemed a % based off his knowledge and expectation, really odd the lengths you are going to here. Even if he used the most mathematical formula there are millions of unknown variables you can't possibly quantify to give you any realistic output.

The issue here though addressing your point is value vs price. He as a football at 27 with what he has done in the game IS worth more than £20m but his form, his recent behaviour (Clubbing) and the fact he is dropped from the squad and said he wants out and is on £300k (or more) a week, there is no club in the world paying anything above £20m (Unless they pay us £40m and he agrees a new £150k a week contract and we pay off that the last few years differential of his contract) taking the net fee right down to around £20m unfortunately.
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Thank you.
 
Irrational. said:
He’s already checked out mentally and doesn’t fancy the fight to get back into the squad. The sooner he goes the better for overall squad morale.
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With this attitude we will never sell a player with a good price. All the player has to do is to mentally checks out and then well will pay other clubs for our players.

Make him stay and fight if we do not have serious buyers, if he is still with negative attitude, fine the feck out of him until he starts acting like an adult again.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
If he's that desperate for a new challenge and to earn a place back in the England squad, then why can't he taker a pay cut? May as well keep him as a backup until the summer if we're going to
be paying half his wages
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He's not that desperate for a place in England squad if he would need to take a 50% pay cut.
 
Roboc7 said:
You can’t demand good money for someone earning 300k a week when their ability in no way deserves it. It’s a pipe dream we are going to get a big fee for him unless most of the money goes straight into Rashford’s pocket.

We need give to players less of a chance, players can do very little at Utd and be kept on for years and renew their contracts. We need to think long and hard about renewing a lot of these players or will just repeat the cycle of getting stuck with players who aren’t up to it.
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Ofcourse you can... I have examples.... Chelsea sold Mount on good money and good fee with 1 year left.

Chelsea sold Havertz with good money and good wage...

Now I bet you will say.. oh but its Manutd and Arsenal, the point is, if there is a will there is a way.

Chelsea have sold numerous players for good money who were on good wages.
 
Paying half the wages for next few months is possibly still better than paying all of it.
But then I’m shocked there’s no real interest in buying him. His stock is so low now and a bad loan spell will make it worse.
 
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