Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

[Bwuk]

Do we reckon Rashford plays again under Amorim?

I don't see it. I can see him being frozen out until the summer. It doesn't sound like he's going to get a move this window.

 

[Tango80]

Rooneys comment about it being like this for years is the important one.

It should be stated that aside from 2 or 3 months after the Qatar World Cup in ETHs first season Rashford has looked miserable here for almost 4 years. You go back to the 21/22 season and Rashford was lazy on the pitch and playing terribly. There were loads of stories back then I seem to remember along the lines of "Rashford considering his future". This fallout with Amorim isn't some shocking out of the blue situation. It's been brewing for a long time, it's just now we have a manager and ownership structure that means it can be addressed at last.

He's been playing like someone who has completely checked out, particularly after the big contract. Why he signed that when he's looked so miserable here for years I'm not sure, is it just that we offered him huge money?

At the time of signing that contract he looked quite happy in fairness. It's only last couple of years really he just looks like everything's getting him down. It's why I'm careful to not put lack of effort down to being lazy. For me it's more about why he's not putting the effort in. I don't think it's laziness as such. Looks more like a form of depression.

 

[Paddymcc]

Just throwing this out there but...... do we think Ineos are ruthless enough to have told Amorim to deliberately distance Rashy in an effort to force him to leave to save the wages and or get a few quid in, knowing his star has faded??

100% this.

Its pretty clear Ineos have made a decision to weed out the overpaid players whom arent performing and get rid of them at the first opportunity.

No fan should have an issue with this because we have been taken for mugs for far too long by players, agents and the Glazers who treat Manchester United team as an income stream for themselves with a football problem.

If Rashford had been banging in 25 to 30 goals a season this past while no one would be having this conversation because he would be rightly worth the wages he is on.

Sadly the juice isnt worth the squeeze with Rashford and its a similar story now to Casemiro although he isnt as unprofessional as Rashford.

Any players on big wages who are underperforming will find themselves in the firing line soon enough.

 

[Adisa]

Why he signed that when he's looked so miserable here for years I'm not sure, is it just that we offered him huge money?

We gave him a £100m contract. No many people would regret that, regardless of their situation.

 

[RuudTom83]

His wage is a stumbling block on any loan, but it’s not the one and only problem.

Most clubs probable see Rashford and think he is a player on the decline or in terrible long term form. Who is also a bit lazy.

Hardly a fantastic package.

 

[croadyman]

His wage is a stumbling block on any loan, but it’s not the one and only problem.

Most clubs probable see Rashford and think he is a player on the decline or in terrible long term form. Who is also a bit lazy.

Hardly a fantastic package.

Yeah not looking an attractive proposition at all

 

[REDARMY45]

I don’t see how he doesn’t absolutely want to leave, even for 6 moths with a pay cut, to prove to everyone that he is a good professional. I don’t see how his personal pride doesn’t absolutely eat away at him, in regards to this. I’d be genuinely shocked if he stayed here for the rest of the season.

 

[Bo_devil]

I don’t see how he doesn’t absolutely want to leave, even for 6 moths with a pay cut, to prove to everyone that he is a good professional. I don’t see how his personal pride doesn’t absolutely eat away at him, in regards to this. I’d be genuinely shocked if he stayed here for the rest of the season.

He's never cared much about stuff like that, thats why its come to this.

 

[Cassidy]

I don’t see how he doesn’t absolutely want to leave, even for 6 moths with a pay cut, to prove to everyone that he is a good professional. I don’t see how his personal pride doesn’t absolutely eat away at him, in regards to this. I’d be genuinely shocked if he stayed here for the rest of the season.

I think he does want to leave, and I think he has wanted to leave for a while. He just has an opinion on where and the level he wants to go, and it probably doesn't meet the expectations of reality
He should have left after his 30 goal season

 

[Andycoleno9]

He wants to leave. He wants club which is big enough. But he also wants his full current wage. And (probably) he wants that United lower fee demand and cover part of his wages.
That is some level of entitlement.

feck him. Let him rot on the stands and train alone.

 

[REDARMY45]

He's never cared much about stuff like that, thats why its come to this.

Maybe once. I mean you don’t reach this level by being mediocre footballer with no drive or motivation. However, I don’t think gives two shits now, and to add to that, as the post from Cassidy implies — he’s absolutely fecking delusional.

I think he does want to leave, and I think he has wanted to leave for a while. He just has an opinion on where and the level he wants to go, and it probably doesn't meet the expectations of reality
He should have left after his 30 goal season

I hope this is a massive wake up call for him. Hope this whole fiasco is a massive attitude adjuster for him, although, I won’t hold my breath in anticipation.

 

[Adisa]

Not comfortable with the “he should take a pay cut” angle. The club ow him.

 

[Cassidy]

Not comfortable with the “he should take a pay cut” angle. The club ow him.

If you move clubs, and your new club doesn't offer you the same or better wages because you've been shite for 2 years... I don't think the club "owe" him.
Of course if the club want to terminate his contract or force him out that's a different story. But Rashford has wanted to leave for a while (his agent/brother was speaking to PSG not long ago) so if he's initiating a move (coming out during the season saying he wants a new challenge) then the club doesn't "owe" him

 

[RedDevil@84]

Not comfortable with the “he should take a pay cut” angle. The club ow him.

It is a choice isn't it? He can stay here and get the salary owed, but not play. Or he can take a pay cut, leave and get to play at the new club.
Obviously if he stays, he needs to be paid the money owed.

 

[pascell]

From what Rooney is saying, there is no way this club has not imposed on managers, directly or indirectly when it comes to Rashford. I think managers have been told explicitly to make it work. Because how can a player do this for over two years and still start games consistently?

The club are 100% imposing him on managers, they just gave him a new long term contract in summer.

 

[John XII]

If you move clubs, and your new club doesn't offer you the same or better wages because you've been shite for 2 years... I don't think the club "owe" him.
Of course if the club want to terminate his contract or force him out that's a different story. But Rashford has wanted to leave for a while (his agent/brother was speaking to PSG not long ago) so if he's initiating a move (coming out during the season saying he wants a new challenge) then the club doesn't "owe" him

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, it's a matter of law. He hasn't done anything to suggest he won't fulfill the obligations in his contract.

 

[RopersReturn]

It increasingly looks as though it’s the board deciding who stays in this instance. Amorin will just have to somehow incorporate him into the side regardless of tactical preference or individual form.

 

[Vidooq]

Not comfortable with the “he should take a pay cut” angle. The club ow him.

And he owns the club performances, but I guess, only one side is getting what was agreed upon. I was thinking that Arsenal would be all over him for a loan till the summer.

 

[RopersReturn]

He wants to leave. He wants club which is big enough. But he also wants his full current wage. And (probably) he wants that United lower fee demand and cover part of his wages.
That is some level of entitlement.

feck him. Let him rot on the stands and train alone.

Absolutely, and Amorin will undoubtedly gain more respect from the supporters over time if he sticks to his principles.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Do we reckon Rashford plays again under Amorim?

I don't see it. I can see him being frozen out until the summer. It doesn't sound like he's going to get a move this window.

i honestly have no idea what will happen after this window if he is still here. I mean we are clearly backing the new manager, which makes sense, so not like he will be under that much pressure to play him. Our season is essentially lost, minus the europa campaign. Weve gotten enough to get away from relegation so should be fine from that horror show, and dont have to worry about catching top 4 as that aint happening. So really he doesnt have much to worry about if he wants to send the message and keep rashford away all season

 

[HackeyC]

Individual performance based contracts should be more penal. Same with Sancho really. I know there are goal bonuses etc..., but someone like Rashford should be on something like £100k base, 50k selection bonus, 60k goal bonus, 20k assist bonus. Watch how hard they work in games or in training to get selected.

Handing out massive guarantees to certain players just kills all motivation. If they are not accountable for holding the standards, make their pay more performance based. That should be across all clubs, so in practice probably impossible to implement.

 

[appleman]

We gave him a £100m contract. No many people would regret that, regardless of their situation.

it's all not that black-and-white I guess. Could even imagine him thinking he would regret not signing it even if on the inside he felt like he needed a change of pace, surroundings, careers, anything. Whether he's depressed or not, sad or not, lazy or not, talentless or not, it's hard to tell from the outside, and even pretty much as the person themselves sometimes.

I would love a 100 million pound contract, and say I get depression again it could make a lot of treatments much more accessible. Unfortunately it wouldn't buy me one for treatment-resistant types. I like football now and then. But 100 million pounds couldn't buy me an inherent joy and intrinsic motivation to dedicate my life to that stuff to the degree of having to play it 5-7 times a week and keep fit. It'd make it much easier than having to fit in exercise besides my work hours and social responsibilities. It wouldn't buy an extravert personality shift, a sudden increase in social intelligence to deal with crowds of people in stadiums, in the city, and - possibly worst of all - online.

I would love that contract, I'd be curious to see if I'm able to play football and related trainings 5-7 days a week. But honestly I already kinda know I am happy to not be in Rashy's shoes. Maybe he is lazy, maybe he just needs some type of life coach. Maybe the change of pace really does unlock him. But I'm glad to be in another one myself (even taking in consideration that I have my own issues about surroundings and paces and such)

idk - possibly anything at all. But I can imagine signing that thing while my entire body screams at me not to.

Fear of regret leads to a lot of regret. Unfortunately I (and I guess many many many of us) do know about that all too well.

EDIT: I just see some gossip (?) about Neymar choosing to lower his wages by about 90 million for a change of surroundings. Isn't it weird how money is a purely quantifiable indicator of life quality and not at all at the same time? And that's ignoring its inherent abstractness, dependency and inflation.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Individual performance based contracts should be more penal. Same with Sancho really. I know there are goal bonuses etc..., but someone like Rashford should be on something like £100k base, 50k selection bonus, 60k goal bonus, 20k assist bonus. Watch how hard they work in games or in training to get selected.

Handing out massive guarantees to certain players just kills all motivation. If they are not accountable for holding the standards, make their pay more performance based. That should be across all clubs, so in practice probably impossible to implement.

There’s zero chance a player would accept that though, it’s just not how football works. What if he’s injured? What if the manager doesn’t play him for whatever reason? What if he plays him at wingback and he gets far fewer chances to score. What if the rest of the team is really crap and absolutely starves him of service? I can’t imagine a player would eat their wage being halved for any of the reasons above.

Do you think keepers should have part of their salary withheld if they concede a goal? And defenders? Who decides who was at fault?

You could try it but you’d only find players who would accept a 100k salary and be prepared to potentially earn no more, for months at a time, potentially through no fault of their own. No de Ligt, no Shaw, no Yoro, no Martinez, no Bruno. If they get good enough, no Diallo and no Mainoo because they’ll be offered double that wage guaranteed elsewhere.

 

[Cassidy]

It doesn't matter what anyone thinks, it's a matter of law. He hasn't done anything to suggest he won't fulfill the obligations in his contract.

What are you talking about? Transferring is not fulfilling the obligations of the contract (and if you read my post I was talking about him transferring)
Or do you think Atalanta are still paying Hojlunds wages?

 

[Mercurial]

I wonder how good his agent is, think he's represented by his brother?

I'd imagine an agent that's a bit more bonafide in the industry would have got a deal done here

The greed apple doesn't fall far from the tree, they want to keep it all inhouse.

 

[Red_Aaron]

The greed apple doesn't fall far from the tree, they want to keep it all inhouse.

Oh no doubt about that

A good agent will manage his clinets expectations not just the clubs, I can't imagine that's easy to do for your own brother

For the club and player to clearly be wiling to get a deal done and yet it's seemingly struggled to get past initial enquiries tells me someone is refusing to negotiate

 

[royboy16]

He needs to be Schweinsteigered and banished!

 

[Gandalf Greyhame]

I already started off pretty rude, so I decided to just dip out instead of continuing. I find your attempted reasoning, both in that comment and this earlier one, so incredibly bizarre that I don't even know what to say.

I don't think you're capable of not being rude - your next sentence continues a rich vein of form. Look at this gaslight-y attempt to discredit an argument that just so happens to refute your point of view. The baseless contradiction you had, and the tone you took to back it up are both misguided at best and embarrassing at worst.

We are living in different worlds, where words and concepts don't mean the same thing, so communicating is a waste of time.

What bullshit. No, they don't - other posters understood my point. So did you, you just seem like an incredibly insecure person who sees a contradiction of their views as an insult to their ego.

^ After I wrote this line, I had a hunch your posting history would reflect this hostility towards other posters, as well. These are your posts from the last week alone:

This is silly. If that was your actual reaction, you would have led with it. Instead, you spent several comments talking about how what he did is completely normal, but when you realize it's not you change your script.

I'm pretty sure you're the one arguing that managers regularly break things in a fit of rage, not me.

Mourinho is at zero, by the way, since you asked.

There is something beautiful about praising a rapist as a person, in a thread where people hate someone else for apparently not dedicating their life for other people's entertainment.

He's not been found guilty of being a "decent lad" either. Weird how you're perfectly capable of thinking for yourself at one point, and then have to surrender your faculties to the justice system the next.

How could it possibly be unclear to you?

I'm sorry, but you're either insulting me or yourself with this. The cultural reboot piece was as clear as a brief can be.

I don't know what's going on with you - take some time off, get some help.

 

[simonhch]

Simon says

Superb post

Well said Sir. Well Said indeed

Brilliant Post.

Fantastic post

Hell yeah brother. Couldn’t agree more.

This is absolutely spot on.

Nailed it. Brilliant post

This should be pinned. Really great post and Suma up the situation really well.

If I had my sword to hand, it would be drawn and raised to the sky.

Bravo.

Amen

This belongs in a newspaper.
Your choice of words and writing skills are impeccable.

Hear hear!

Take a bow.

Flabbergasted. Take a bow, serious modus operandi that. Hive mind needed with how we view ourselves as fans and our team.
Top post!

Really appreciate the kind words, thank you chaps. More importantly, it always encouraging to flush out the like minded people on here. So, thanks again.

 

[GreatDane]

Really appreciate the kind words, thank you chaps. More importantly, it always encouraging to flush out the like minded people on here. So, thanks again.

And my axe!

 

[Florida Man]

And my axe!

I carry an axe in my car

 

[John XII]

What are you talking about? Transferring is not fulfilling the obligations of the contract (and if you read my post I was talking about him transferring)
Or do you think Atalanta are still paying Hojlunds wages?

He hasn't requested a transfer has he. Atalanta would've had to pay up His contract there unless he put in a transfer request (unless Italian law is different in this regard).

 

[Albo]

No team make any offer for him ! I was expecting at least one offer from Saudis but nothing . If we put whole team on sale we probably get an offers only for Garnacho , Amad , Ugarte .

 

[United Hobbit]

Do we reckon Rashford plays again under Amorim?

I don't see it. I can see him being frozen out until the summer. It doesn't sound like he's going to get a move this window.

I hope we do the same as your second paragraph, but unfortunately due to his disgusting wages, I think they will force RA to use him, so he's seen to be "earning " them

Hope the fans make it extremely clear to him what they think if he does his usual strolling round the pitch....

 

[Cassidy]

He hasn't requested a transfer has he. Atalanta would've had to pay up His contract there unless he put in a transfer request (unless Italian law is different in this regard).

Still not making sense. Did Hojlund request a transfer? No, are Atalanta paying his wages? No

There is no law that states we have to pay Rashford any money if he secures a transfer to a new club. By the way Rashford has publicly stated his intention to leave United not long ago so it would be hard for him to argue he is being forced out.

The club only “owes” him his wages as long as he stays at the club.

The club can work out a deal with him if it wishes to force him out, however I think you are misreading the situation. Rashford wants out and wants to leave and has publicly said this.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Didn't he say he wanted a new challenge? Get on it mate

 

[Berbaclass]

I hope we do the same as your second paragraph, but unfortunately due to his disgusting wages, I think they will force RA to use him, so he's seen to be "earning " them

Hope the fans make it extremely clear to him what they think if he does his usual strolling round the pitch....

No one will force Amorim to do anything

 

[rimaldo]

Is there not a fine system within the club for poor training? Should be.

there is. the worst trainer has to wear their mum’s dressing gown in public.

 

[John XII]

Still not making sense. Did Hojlund request a transfer? No are Atalanta paying his wages no.

There is no law that states we have to pay Rashford any money if he secures a transfer to a new club. By the way Rashford has publicly stated his intention to leave United not long ago so it would be hard for him to argue he is being forced out.

The club only “owes” him his wages as long as he stays at the club.

If the club sell Rashford and he hasn't made a formal transfer request, they have to pay up his contract. Assuming Italian law is the same Atalanta would've paid Hojlund's off when he left.

 

[Xaviboy]

If he really likes to play football or care about his career he is best leaving before Monday.

He won't change playing for this club.

Best getting rid so we can bring someone in that will work hard and can score us goals.