Marcus Rashford (out) | signs for Villa on loan

[The holy trinity 68]

Who is realistically going to take him when he just strolls around the pitch with absolutely no spirit or energy? Who says "yeah, that's the character I want in my team" and is in any way a successful club?

Sancho did exactly the same and is also on the same wage as Rashford, and Chelsea still wanted him.

 

[roseguy64]

He fooled me. Now he gives me the ick when I think about the times I defended him around here. Another waste of space on massive wages. Depressingly rotten club at the moment. Sad shit.

What has he done specifically to give you the ick? You know that lots of players have had issues with multiple managers right? From the greatest to the average. They talk about it often when they're retired.

There are very few players who haven't had managers have issues with them.

I believe Mitten when he says multiple managers have had issues with him but nothing we've heard about Rashford has said he's been a cancer. It's mostly been that he's not applied himself has well as he could have. He needs to clarify what kinda issues he's talking about because just leaving it out there without specifying if it's just professionalism or he's been actively questioning the manager, is not on. Causes people to just fuel their agendas and actively denigrate a current Man Utd player.
One who Mitten has said that he's not close to but those who know him say he's a good guy but just doesn't trust a lot of journalists.

 

[moses]

What has he done specifically to give you the ick? You know that lots of players have had issues with multiple managers right? From the greatest to the average. They talk about it often when they're retired.

There are very few players who haven't had managers have issues with them.

I believe Mitten when he says multiple managers have had issues with him but nothing we've heard about Rashford has said he's been a cancer. It's mostly been that he's not applied himself has well as he could have. He needs to clarify what kinda issues he's talking about because just leaving it out there without specifying if it's just professionalism or he's been actively questioning the manager, is not on. Causes people to just fuel their agendas and actively denigrate a current Man Utd player.
One who Mitten has said that he's not close to but those who know him say he's a good guy but just doesn't trust a lot of journalists.

Mitten is a good guy and loves the club. The fact he said anything all is worrying.

 

[roseguy64]

Oh I agree people are taking this as a confirmation of anything they have ever thought.

Exactly. It's very easy to use just a one sentence line where it's not clear what exactly Mitten is referring to and run agenda. Now he's apparently a scumbag? What the hell?
I can accept questioning his effort on the pitch but this is a guy who regularly visits his past school without media fanfare or PR and does good things for them and now he's a bad guy. Wow.

 

[roseguy64]

It’s very doubtful that he was a problem under Ole. They appeared to have a really good relationship and Rashford was excellent under him. He obviously didn’t get on with Rangnick at all but there were no reports of a lack of professionalism.

The only real reported issues he had were under ETH - with the Ireland trip the key one. However, both he and ETH seemed to put those issues behind them fairly swiftly and there were never reports of him being a poor trainer (look at how ETH dealt with Sancho for example when he trained poorly).

My suspicion is that Mitten is generally referring to very minor incidents (hence the lack of detail) and frankly mainly just generating clicks.

This is my memory of it as well. ETH has spoken negatively about Rashford but he made mention of his lifestyle away from Carrington. No one has ever said he was a poor trainer until this season. Saying that, ETH himself earlier this season praised Rashford's efforts.

 

[roseguy64]

Mitten is a good guy and loves the club. The fact he said anything all is worrying.

I agree but it was poor from him to not make a better statement on it.

 

[moses]

I agree but it was poor from him to not make a better statement on it.

Better how?

 

[Crackers]

I agree but it was poor from him to not make a better statement on it.

What more would you want him to say? Who the managers were? Examples of his faults? I'm not sure theres much need, there's ample evidence that he's downed tools without him going into detail - he's just contributing more trusted voices to the conversation.

 

[Pexbo]

Mitten had been told off the record previously. I’d be very surprised if he’s revealed that now without first getting the go ahead from each manager that told him that.

 

[moses]

Mitten had been told off the record previously. I’d be very surprised if he’s revealed that now without first getting the go ahead from each manager that told him that.

Aye, Mitten isn't going to risk his close ties with the club. He's not spoofing and he's not trying to cause trouble.

 

[Parma Dewol]

With the sheer number of rotten players at the club in recent years, is it any surprise no manager has been able to build a worthy team.

Our inability to deal with certain personalities seems never ending. To be fair handling millionaire kids living a playboy lifestyle is going to have its challenges, but we seem to be particularly bad at it. Combination of not being able to get them to perform consistently, coupled with rewarding them with obscene contracts!

As a club, our man management has been a shambles for far too long.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Disappointed how it all panned out.

 

[Resch]

With the sheer number of rotten players at the club in recent years, is it any surprise no manager has been able to build a worthy team.

Our inability to deal with certain personalities seems never ending. To be fair handling millionaire kids living a playboy lifestyle is going to have its challenges, but we seem to be particularly bad at it. Combination of not being able to get them to perform consistently, coupled with rewarding them with obscene contracts!

As a club, our man management has been a shambles for far too long.

maybe our club turns good players into rotten one? Glazers think money is everything, the management thinks money is everything, why should the players think different?

 

[clarkydaz]

With the sheer number of rotten players at the club in recent years, is it any surprise no manager has been able to build a worthy team.

Our inability to deal with certain personalities seems never ending. To be fair handling millionaire kids living a playboy lifestyle is going to have its challenges, but we seem to be particularly bad at it. Combination of not being able to get them to perform consistently, coupled with rewarding them with obscene contracts!

As a club, our man management has been a shambles for far too long.

Liverpool and City seem to handle it fine. But they are success driven

 

[Snow]

Liverpool and City seem to handle it fine. But they are success driven

It helps when most of your squad has a fully developed prefrontal cortex.

 

[Bo_devil]

This is my memory of it as well. ETH has spoken negatively about Rashford but he made mention of his lifestyle away from Carrington. No one has ever said he was a poor trainer until this season. Saying that, ETH himself earlier this season praised Rashford's efforts.

Marcus Rashford has revealed he was left out of Erik ten Hag's Manchester United starting line-up against Wolves after oversleeping and arriving late to a team meeting.

The Dutchman left Rashford on the bench for the trip to Molineux, despite the 25-year-old scoring two goals in two games after returning from the World Cup.

Doesn't particularly send out a good message to the rest of the players does it, hence a cultural reboot being exercised.

 

[VP89]

Sancho did exactly the same and is also on the same wage as Rashford, and Chelsea still wanted him.

Sancho is a much better footballer technically. He suits Maresca so we lucked out. But the deal was still a bit shit, very low fee and that.

 

[Parma Dewol]

Liverpool and City seem to handle it fine. But they are success driven

I’m not saying it can’t be handled, just that we happen to be handling it particularly badly.

Plenty of clubs do it well, including us back in the day. The way we dealt with a lot of players during Sir Alex’s tenure was nothing short of extraordinary. Sure, there might have been mistakes along the way, there always are, but the management of those huge personalities was exceptional. From the enigmatic Cantona to the twisted Giggs, and all those promising youngsters, we just had the knack.

Complete opposite to what we’ve seen since. We’ve not been able to get a handle on the so-called bad apples. We’ve seen young players lose their way far too soon. Heck, even players who’ve served the club well for a long time have left disgruntled.

 

[Doracle]

Marcus Rashford has revealed he was left out of Erik ten Hag's Manchester United starting line-up against Wolves after oversleeping and arriving late to a team meeting.

The Dutchman left Rashford on the bench for the trip to Molineux, despite the 25-year-old scoring two goals in two games after returning from the World Cup.

Doesn't particularly send out a good message to the rest of the players does it, hence a cultural reboot being exercised.

If that was the extent of the issues that would be nothing though. The only publicly available evidence of Rashford actually being a problem is the Belfast issue. That isn’t the type of thing that should be happening but even that, if it was a one-off, in c. 9 years as a professional, wouldn’t be a major problem.

If there’s something more significant/frequent that the club has kept quiet, then that would be very different. Will be interesting to see what comes out in due course.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Mitten had been told off the record previously. I’d be very surprised if he’s revealed that now without first getting the go ahead from each manager that told him that.

I agree, but surely this sort of stuff coming out only makes sense after he has left the club.

Other than wanting to expose him for what he is, and justifying why he isn't playing right now (not that it's needed), then I don't see the upside for United, as surely all this does is make what is a hard sell already an impossible one.

 

[Doracle]

I agree, but surely this sort of stuff coming out only makes sense after he has left the club.

Other than wanting to expose him for what he is, and justifying why he isn't playing right now (not that it's needed), then I don't see the upside for United, as surely all this does is make what is a hard sell already an impossible one.

Exactly. It was a relatively easy sell played right. The club could easily say that he doesn’t fit the new manager’s system and Rashford could say he wanted a new challenge. Clubs would look at his record and think that, in a new environment, he could well be a difference-maker.

Instead, we dropped him for one of the most high profile games of the season and then seemingly briefed (the next day) that he was for sale because he was seen as the poster boy of all that was wrong at the club. At any point, we could have rescued this situation (to some degree) by returning him to the squad and making some sort of denial of the sale rumours/negative comments. We haven’t. It’s now probably too late.

I appreciate people dislike Rashford, don’t think he’s good enough and want him out, which is fine. However, I’m struggling to see how anyone can view this situation as anything other than amateur hour by the club. Maybe we will find out on 1 January that we’ve lined up an amazing deal to sell him to the Saudis but, if the reality is that we have no fixed plan, this is a complete mess.

 

[Withnail]

Mitten had been told off the record previously. I’d be very surprised if he’s revealed that now without first getting the go ahead from each manager that told him that.

I very much doubt he went and got permission before saying something as vague as that on Talksport. He's not gone into any detail at all about what each manager specifically said or what the problems were.

I think it's more likely that he knows Rashford is definitely finished at the club and he's safe to say that much, as most of it is old news anyway. We all know ETH, Rangnick and Mourinho had issues with him.

 

[Cloud7]

Southgate dropping him was a strange one, he’s clearly more dangerous as a sub and more experienced than Gordon and Bowen.
Maybe he didn’t want his sulking around the camp (obviously no basis to this and just a thought but he hasn’t looked happy for years)

One of the few things Sir Gareth appeared to actually be good at doing was fostering a good spirit within the camp and getting everyone to pull in the same direction. If Rashford really is a downer on the team morale then it’s no surprise that he would have been dropped, regardless of his effort and productivity, or lack thereof

 

[roseguy64]

One of the few things Sir Gareth appeared to actually be good at doing was fostering a good spirit within the camp and getting everyone to pull in the same direction. If Rashford really is a downer on the team morale then it’s no surprise that he would have been dropped, regardless of his effort and productivity, or lack thereof

Pretty sure he only got dropped from the squad when his performances dipped after the last WC though?

 

[Cloud7]

Pretty sure he only got dropped from the squad when his performances dipped after the last WC though?

Yeah that’s why I said IF. I’m of the opinion he’s been dropped because he’s been crap, and there’s nothing more to it than that. The poster I responded to alluded to the fact that Rashford is still a dangerous option off the bench, which he is not, but I was suggesting that even if that’s deemed the case, there may be other reasons, such as Southgate not being sure he’s pulling in the same direction as everyone else.

 

[TheLittleOne]

Posters like you would have accused Mitten of being destructive if he had released this information any other time. There’s no good time to reveal these things.

"Posters like you" posts are the dumbest thing ever. You have no clue at all what I would have posted.

He hasn't outright said it but he's been hinting for years that there were issues with Rashford. Like @Rockets Redglare said he's made comments before about Rashford receiving poor advice. It isn't Andy's style to tear down somebody's character especially a United player and a local lad at that.

ok fair enough. i get it but what im saying is, journalism isn't about telling the truth it is about what you are allowed to say

These types of posts are hilarious. Either you didn't bother to watch the video for the 30s it would have taken or you've no idea how journalism works, and he never tore down his character at all.

He said he was told off the record so he couldn't have reported it on any of it at the time.

Now it's come to a head, he can say that all of the previous managers had issues with Rashford without going into specifics and betraying confidences. If you print something you were told off the record, you won't have much of a career in journalism.

No, I know this is how it works and you are correct I just find it is cowardly and two faced. He knew for years apparently but now when pretty much everyone knows already he cashes in and says I knew it for years (and btw it is still off the records as it was at the time). It is not even about him per se I don't like journalists and how all that works.

 

[spwd]

He divides opinion more than any other player.
His performances over the course of many season have been a 5/10 overall. Yet he’s the highest earner.
His value to the club selling him is beyond useful.
He could be replaced with any number of PL starts from mid table club for a similar output. A better replacement would be easy to buy.
I genuinely don’t see any reasonable argument for keeping him that isn’t based on him being a local lad. He’s been paid a small fortune for his efforts and has more money than any of use could ever comprehend. We don’t owe him anything as a club or a fan base.
He wants to leave - let him. His time has come and we need to move on from his circus every season.

Well said.

 

[UnitedSofa]

 

[Wezzaldo]

The point is that he is that good. This season, for example, he has 10GA playing for an awful United team, having been excluded for the last 5 games and having been played in all sorts of positions before then. He’s also apparently in woeful form and desperate to move.

In comparison, England’s boy wonder, Anthony Gordon, has 8 GA playing for a fabulously attacking Newcastle team, with full support from his manager, and with no off-field distractions.

Now, of course, it might be said that the circus around Rashford makes him unattractive or that there are mysterious training issues holding him back. However, it’s not hard to see how a top manager might see the possibility of harnessing his ability and giving their team some added impetus.

I personally disagree he’s that good. People go on about he scored 30 goals. That’s one season in what, 9 years? Maybe the good season was the anomaly, and he’s really just good player at best. Certainly not as good as the fuss around him suggests.

 

[Xeque_279]

I personally disagree he’s that good. People go on about he scored 30 goals. That’s one season in what, 9 years? Maybe the good season was the anomaly, and he’s really just good player at best. Certainly not as good as the fuss around him suggests.

Seems like a perfect Arteta-Arsenal signing. They are lacking in that LW role too.

 

[NotChatGPT]

Weird one. There wasn’t much requirement for Sancho to go public, all he had to do was own up to his mistake and apologize to Ten Hag and then it would be communicated by the club that the player had done so and that would’ve been the end of it.

Funnily enough, what Amorim said was a fair few steps above the comments made about Sancho.

 

[Unam333]

Weird one. There wasn’t much requirement for Sancho to go public, all he had to do was own up to his mistake and apologize to Ten Hag and then it would be communicated by the club that the player had done so and that would’ve been the end of it.

Funnily enough, what Amorim said was a fair few steps above the comments made about Sancho

I find Rashford's situation really weird. Amorim just arrived at the club and he decides that Rashford doesn't meet his standards and he won't play him.

Amorim is very open about Rashford and why he doesn't select him. It's very similar to the Ten Hag-Sancho feud, yet Amorim doesn't receive the same criticism.

 

[Paul778]

I find Rashford's situation really weird. Amorim just arrived at the club and he decides that Rashford doesn't meet his standards and he won't play him.

Amorim is very open about Rashford and why he doesn't select him. It's very similar to the Ten Hag-Sancho feud, yet Amorim doesn't receive the same criticism.

I think everyone is tired of Rashfords lack of effort. It's plain to see each game. That means Amorim is pushing against an open door.

The whole team doesn't have enough physicality or energy. He is just the most obvious example with the highest wages.

 

[Crackers]

I think everyone is tired of Rashfords lack of effort. It's plain to see each game. That means Amorim is pushing against an open door.

The whole team doesn't have enough physicality or energy. He is just the most obvious example with the highest wages.

I don't know why anyone would disagree with this perspective. We're such a lazy moany undisciplined team, and Rashford is definitely one of the worst players for it.

 

[Judas]

I find Rashford's situation really weird. Amorim just arrived at the club and he decides that Rashford doesn't meet his standards and he won't play him.

Amorim is very open about Rashford and why he doesn't select him. It's very similar to the Ten Hag-Sancho feud, yet Amorim doesn't receive the same criticism.

Ten Hag wasn’t really criticized? Most were on his side over the Sancho issue, the manager did nothing wrong then too.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

I find Rashford's situation really weird. Amorim just arrived at the club and he decides that Rashford doesn't meet his standards and he won't play him.

Amorim is very open about Rashford and why he doesn't select him. It's very similar to the Ten Hag-Sancho feud, yet Amorim doesn't receive the same criticism.

He's dropped a player who rather than try and improve under the new manager, instead said he wants to leave, when it's highly likely there is no club that will take him.

I don't know what criticism Amorim deserves here.

 

[Withnail]

"Posters like you" posts are the dumbest thing ever. You have no clue at all what I would have posted.

ok fair enough. i get it but what im saying is, journalism isn't about telling the truth it is about what you are allowed to say

No, I know this is how it works and you are correct I just find it is cowardly and two faced. He knew for years apparently but now when pretty much everyone knows already he cashes in and says I knew it for years (and btw it is still off the records as it was at the time). It is not even about him per se I don't like journalists and how all that works.

Well fair enough but making a comment on Talk Sport isn't "cashing in" and he's made a general statement about multiple managers. He hasn't betrayed anyone's actual confidence or mentioned anything specific.

You say you don't like journalists, but you can't lump all journalists in together. There are real journalists and they are peddlers or rumours and nonsense out for clicks. Andy Mitten is well known not to chase clicks and isn't looking to cash in. You aren't going to see an article with the specific details of what he was told off the record.

And as for "what you are allowed to say". Well yeah you need permission from the person who told you something to use it in an article. A good journalist also makes sure to corroborate a story with multiple sources to make sure it's true. I really don't think you're being rational or objective about this.

 

[Withnail]

Rashford throwing his toys out of the pram because he was asked to put some effort in. He's a joke.

 

[Strachan8]

Yes.

There is not a more reliable United journo than Mitten. He's a life long fan and would not come out with a statement like this if it wasn't true. Maybe you don't want to hear it, but Rashford has clearly not been giving his all for quite some time.

Mitten didn't sell himself to Ineos at all. He asked to speak to Ratcliffe and has been openly very critical of certain Ineos decisions.

Fair play to Mitten for making this public. Unlike Henry Winter whose default setting is to defend any English player who hasn’t broken the law, he is now claiming Maguire should be Utd’s captain, whereas at least Mitten has some journalistic integrity and loves the club.

 

[Unam333]

He's dropped a player who rather than try and improve under the new manager, instead said he wants to leave, when it's highly likely there is no club that will take him.

I don't know what criticism Amorim deserves here.

I find Amorim very straightforward and upfront about the Rashford matter, criticizing Rashford off field behaviour as well as his work ethic and professionalism. We've seen that before and we all know (and Amorim knows as well) that a lot of players don't react that well when people are questioning their professionalism. Amorim isn't wrong for calling him out, Ten Hag wasn't wrong before, but maybe managers need to be more diplomatic and calling out publicly isn't the smartest thing to do (unless Amorim wants him out). It will possibly disrupt the atmosphere and the British media are like bees to honey.