Marcus Rashford (Out) | Rashford: “For me, personally, I think I'm ready for a new challenge and the next steps.”

Vidooq said:
We also found out via newspapers that you were out partying in Belfast, so it doesn't feel right when you are kept in the dark, does it, Marcus?

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I'm sorry, but he comes across as a total, utter bellend. Honestly, maybe Di Maria aside, he's easily the most dislikeable player & personality that I have ever seen at United in over 20 years watching the club. People are entitled to their opinion and to like him, but calling others who don't as either 'racist' or having an 'agenda' is bollocks and really lazy. There's been clear indicators for years that his personality is problematic, regardless of his performance, which is also terrible more often than not. I'm so sick of the endless PR, the endless moody demeanour, the endless lack of effort, the victimization. It's all so tiring. It's also very likely he's one of the main people behind the various dressing room 'unhappy leaks' we've had under how many different managers now. He's the one constant in all of it. It's quite clear that he places his public image on the highest pedestal and cares more about how he's perceived than the team he plays for.

He wasn't always like this either. It seemed to happen around the time he had that great season he had under Ole. You can blame the people and influence around him such as his PR team, agents, brother, lingard etc. but ultimately he has to take accountability. I cannot wait to see the back of him. Absolute clown show.
 
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I don't get why everyone is losing their shite over this.
The club wants to sell, most of the fans (even before these last two weeks) wants to see him leave, and the player wants to go. Sounds like everything is aligned. Yet there's so much anger around the the whole situation.
Rashford peaked for us more than 2 years ago. He needs to leave, everyone just need to calm down and let him go.
 
FrankWhite said:
I don't get why everyone is losing their shite over this.
The club wants to sell, most of the fans (even before these last two weeks) wants to see him leave, and the player wants to go. Sounds like everything is aligned. Yet there's so much anger around the the whole situation.
Rashford peaked for us more than 2 years ago. He needs to leave, everyone just need to calm down and let him go.
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Yeah, the animosity and bitterness towards him is abit much.

Like calm down everyone, he's a footballer. He's not Harold fecking Shipman.
 
TheLittleOne said:
Mentality wise Ruud is spot on
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And what is this mentality? As highlighted in my previous post - Sancho aside - they’ve all contributed substantially to the few moments of glory this club has had in recent years.

Also, the person you’re saying is “spot on” made no mention of mentality and said they grouped them together because of age range and “era”(whatever that latter means). So what is it?

RuudTom83 said:
Same age range and era, that’s why I group them together.
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What are the defining values for this “age range and era”? Seems quite arbitrary

Sancho - 24
Rashford - 27
Martial - 29
Pogba - 31
Lingard - 32

Not seeing a lot of commonality there. I mean, Lingard’s senior debut for United was in 14/15. Sancho was signed in 2021.

The likes of Di Maria, Mata, Sanchez, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Kagawa are closer in age to Lingard than Sancho or even Rashford are.
 
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TsuWave said:
And what is this mentality? As highlighted in my previous post - Sancho aside - they’ve all contributed substantially to the few moments of glory this club has had in recent years.

Also, the person you’re saying is “spot on” made no mention of mentality and said they grouped them together because of age range and “era”(whatever that latter means). So what is it?



What are the defining values for this “age range and era”? Seems quite arbitrary

Sancho - 24
Rashford - 27
Martial - 29
Pogba - 31
Lingard - 32

Not seeing a lot of commonality there. I mean, Lingard’s senior debut for United was in 14/15. Sancho was signed in 2021.

The likes of Di Maria, Mata, Sanchez, Schneiderlin, Herrera, Mkhitaryan, Kagawa are closer in age to Lingard than Sancho or even Rashford are.
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he has the same shit mentality off the pitch as all of those other players mentioned and it's pretty disingenious of you quoting the post Ruud wrote after I wrote mine
 
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TheLittleOne said:
he has the same shit mentality off the pitch as all of those and yes pretty disingenious of you when quoted poster clarified after i wrote this
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I’ve asked you what this mentality is and you’re yet to be specific - “shit mentality off the pitch” - what do you mean? I see Rashford involved in and funding local school programmes, with the odd basketball game in his free time. I don’t recall seeing the same from the others - and how is this of any relevance?

Disingenuous? Are you reading the right posts? The poster you said is spot on said he grouped them because of age and era. You’re the one that veered off in “off the pitch mentality”. That’s your argument, not theirs.

The post above your latest one is me replying to the last time the original poster responded to me.
 
TsuWave said:
I’ve asked you what this mentality is and you’re yet to be specific - “shit mentality off the pitch” - what do you mean? I see Rashford involved in and funding local school programmes, with the odd basketball game in his free time. I don’t recall seeing the same from the others - and how is this of any relevance?

Disingenuous? Are you reading the right posts? The poster you said is spot on said he grouped them because of age and era. You’re the one that veered off in “off the pitch mentality”. The post above your latest one is me replying to the last time the original poster responded to me.
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he said that after i wrote my post are you not capaple of reading? my point was i agree he belongs to that group of players. Ruud then wrote its of because age and era which i didnt mention at all
 
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TheLittleOne said:
he said that after i wrote my post are you not capaple of reading?
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Evidently I must not be.

Ruud: xyz belong in the same group
Me: how?
You (interjecting): spot on. same mentality
Ruud: age group/era
Me to You: what’s the mentality? Also Ruud said that’s not their argument
Me to Ruud: I don’t see the commonalities
You (angry): disingenuous of you to respond to Ruud after he posted that after my post
Me (confused): ??? your argument and theirs is not the same
You (angrier): he said that after my post. can’t you read?

odd
 
TsuWave said:
Evidently I must not be.

Ruud: xyz belong in the same group
Me: how?
You (interjecting): same mentality
Ruud: age group/era
Me to You: what’s the mentality? Also Ruud said that’s not their argument
Me to Ruud: I don’t see the commonalities
You (angry): disingenuous of you to respond to Ruud after he posted that after my post
Me (confused): ??? your argument and theirs is not the same
You (angrier): he said that after my post. can’t you read?
TsuWave said:
Evidently I must not be.

Ruud: xyz belong in the same group
Me: how?
You (interjecting): same mentality
Ruud: age group/era
Me to You: what’s the mentality? Also Ruud said that’s not their argument
Me to Ruud: I don’t see the commonalities
You (angry): disingenuous of you to respond to Ruud after he posted that after my post
Me (confused): ??? your argument and theirs is not the same
You (angrier): he said that after my post. can’t you read?

odd
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ok bye
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and you couldn't get it right either... my point was you said I agreed to a point which Ruud made after i made my comment
 
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There might be something lost in translation so let's just cool down.
If you want me to go into detail what i dont like about certain player behaviour... sure, i could do that. Believe me im not angry, as you implied...
I just can't take Rashy defenders seriously. I'm totaly calm.
 
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There's no way to shift Rashford out of the club without it getting a little unsavory from both sides. That's just how it was always going to happen.

INEOS didn't sign Rashford to his current contract. He's part of what they inherited with their purchase. I have a theory Ashworth advised we keep Rashford in the summer to allow him a chance under the new structure. Now others have Ratcliffe's ear more due to our early season struggles who would've preferred to move him in the summer.

Don't think it's a coincidence that Ashworth's been sacked out of the blue and immediately after Rashford's dropped with stories being leaked about how INEOS view it as necessary to build the culture that he leaves.
 
The club leaks are shit though I'm surprised there's very little criticism here. Personally I'd rather our club did things differently in this INEOS era... But that's me
 
If Rashford is up for a new challenger and Ruben does not see him figuring in his plans then let us move him on.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Can you be specific?
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Are you serious? The leaks were attributed to the club when they came out. They are in the same threads you are posting in. A poster made a point not long ago about posters selective outrage and some of you are making their point more and more as the pages increase......
 
afrocentricity said:
Are you serious? The leaks were attributed to the club when they came out. They are in the same threads you are posting in. A poster made a point not long ago about posters selective outrage and some of you are making their point more and more as the pages increase......
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Do we know this? How? Maybe its just the press writing what will get the most clicks?
 
Lyng said:
Do we know this? How? Maybe its just the press writing what will get the most clicks?
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Has the club or Amorim addressed the articles by saying Rashford isn’t for sale? That would be the easy way of dealing with this issue.
 
Club: we want to get rid of Rashford, he's a symbol of everything wrong with the club.
Fans: Rashford should leave, he's shit.
Rashford: I guess it's time for me to leave.
Fans: How dare he.
 
afrocentricity said:
Are you serious? The leaks were attributed to the club when they came out. They are in the same threads you are posting in. A poster made a point not long ago about posters selective outrage and some of you are making their point more and more as the pages increase......
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Why are you finding it so difficult to be specific?
 
NotThatSoph said:
Club: we want to get rid of Rashford, he's a symbol of everything wrong with the club.
Fans: Rashford should leave, he's shit.
Rashford: I guess it's time for me to leave.
Fans: How dare he.
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The only attributed press release we have as a fact is from Rashford saying he wants a new challenge. This fiction of it being in response to being pushed out is just that fiction.

His behaviour has been unacceptable off the field, at training, and in matches yet some of you are still willing to bend over defending the lad. Why?
 
Smores said:
The only attributed press release we have as a fact is from Rashford saying he wants a new challenge. This fiction of it being in response to being pushed out is just that fiction.

His behaviour has been unacceptable off the field, at training, and in matches yet some of you are still willing to bend over defending the lad. Why?
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I guess Rashford should have gotten an agent to leak that he wanted out, or talk to journalists without giving official statements, then everyone would have been completely fine with it, right?

The leaks clearly come from the club, so Rashford knows that he's not wanted. The club is also actively trying to sell him, behind his back. Wanting to leave a place no one wants you at is as normal behaviour as it can be, and it's insane that pointing this out is seen as bending over or defending.
 
NotChatGPT said:
Why are you finding it so difficult to be specific?
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Do you think its not obvious what you are doing here? If you want specifics find them in these threads yourself it wont take you long... or maybe you are just here to argue that everything is all Rashfords fault hence your selective blindness?
 
NotThatSoph said:
Club: we want to get rid of Rashford, he's a symbol of everything wrong with the club.
Fans: Rashford should leave, he's shit.
Rashford: I guess it's time for me to leave.
Fans: How dare he.
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I feel he’s forced the clubs hand to brief that he could be for sale by being so shite and so unhappy for so long. This was the only tactic left to try and get a response out of him beyond what ever else they’ve done behind the scenes and he’s stuck his fingers up and said here lads I want to move on, sort it out. PR piece aside. Actions speak far louder than words.
 
NotThatSoph said:
I guess Rashford should have gotten an agent to leak that he wanted out, or talk to journalists without giving official statements, then everyone would have been completely fine with it, right?

The leaks clearly come from the club, so Rashford knows that he's not wanted. The club is also actively trying to sell him, behind his back. Wanting to leave a place no one wants you at is as normal behaviour as it can be, and it's insane that pointing this out is seen as bending over or defending.
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Which of the leaks came from the club? The original one from Sky Germany saying he wasn't unsellable or the 'cultural reboot' one after he was dropped by the guardian?

The first one was nothing and wild speculation and the second one just seemed to be in response to him being dropped.

Are we to believe all former articles about Rashford then or are you selectively choosing when to believe the press?
 
Smores said:
Which of the leaks came from the club? The original one from Sky Germany saying he wasn't unsellable or the 'cultural reboot' one after he was dropped by the guardian?

The first one was nothing and wild speculation and the second one just seemed to be in response to him being dropped.

Are we to believe all former articles about Rashford then or are you selectively choosing when to believe the press?
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The Guardian one, obviously. It contained several very specific claims, and was published in a serious publication compared to the usual football gutter press, so the club would have refuted it if it wasn't true. It was very clear that someone connected to the club has been talking.

An interpretation of this could be that the people here lack basic media literacy, and therefore either believe everything the press writes or only official statements, but that's clearly not what's happening so that can't be true.
 
all these bits of PR from Rashford are so grating for fans because he never admits his form or attitude have been an issue

some players would have the courage to admit they haven't been doing enough on the pitch and a willingness to improve

but with Rashford it's like he either can't see it or his pride is too big to admit it (or maybe he's being advised poorly)

I think a lot more fans would stick by him if he showed an ounce of humility
 
NotThatSoph said:
The Guardian one, obviously. It contained several very specific claims, and was published in a serious publication compared to the usual football gutter press, so the club would have refuted it if it wasn't true. It was very clear that someone connected to the club has been talking.

An interpretation of this could be that the people here lack basic media literacy, and therefore either believe everything the press writes or only official statements, but that's clearly not what's happening so that can't be true.
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Since when do the club refute any media claims to do with player transfers?

Amorim since he's dropped him has repeatedly left it open for Rashford to get back in the team. The actual message out of the club isn't that he's been pushed out it's that he needs to step up his standards.

He's just thrown a strop because he's rightly been dropped. If he doesn't want to fight for his place then he can feck off like Sancho and the other wasters.
 
Smores said:
Since when do the club refute any media claims to do with player transfers?

Amorim since he's dropped him has repeatedly left it open for Rashford to get back in the team. The actual message out of the club isn't that he's been pushed out it's that he needs to step up his standards.
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I think it's clear there is Amorim, and there is the club/INEOS... they are not the same - for whatever reason (and I respect it massively) Amorim has chosen to distance himself from the clubs leaks/narrative and has left the door open for Rashford.
 
Smores said:
Since when do the club refute any media claims to do with player transfers?

Amorim since he's dropped him has repeatedly left it open for Rashford to get back in the team. The actual message out of the club isn't that he's been pushed out it's that he needs to step up his standards.

He's just thrown a strop because he's rightly been dropped. If he doesn't want to fight for his place then he can feck off like Sancho and the other wasters.
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It's funny, I just saw your comment about people on here possibly being Rashford's paid PR people. So, you're so extremely aware of unofficial communications that you suspect agents might be posting undercover on Redcafe to get their message across, but at the same time you claim to refuse to believe anything comes from the club unless it has been notarised.

That's actually hilarious.
 
I've yet to understand what the club benefits from having its dirty laundry aired. Rashford is their star player and this a fight not worth fighting especially since the club is being pelted from all directions. Not to forget that the January window is the worse window to make sales in as no one has the money to buy him up which would lead to United having to accept a loan with most of the salary being paid by them. There's zero benefits for United to take that route.

Rashy has been a problem for 4 consecutive managers (Ole, Rangnick, ETH and Amorim), all of whom questioned his dedication in training at one point or another. There was the Belfast gate were he didn't bother to apologize to fans, the interview with Winter were he spelled it out that he wants a new challenge followed by Winter clarifying multiple times that Rashy wants to leave. Not to forget the many games Rashy had spent just strolling on the pitch under Rangnick, ETH and now Amorim. So its obvious to me that he wants to leave.

The club had been consistent as well. They made Ole apologize to him after he had the temerity of criticizing him. Rangnick was sacked followed his open heart surgery comment and ETH had taken the job based on him promising to get a tune out of Rashford. The club tried to bury Belfast gate and Rashford was fast tracked back to first team football with no apologies made to the fans. Even now we got Amorim trying to give Rashford not 1 but 2 opportunities for him to backtrack while retaining his dignity.

In my opinion the situation is very simple. Rashy wants to leave and its been the case for quite some time. United in what is typical to them for MORE THEN A DECADE (we kept so many players way past their expiry date) had been hesitating. Therefore Rashy is forcing his way out. The reason to that may be various including financial. Part of Rashford's salary is tied to CL qualification something United are constantly failing to achieve. Not to forget that him playing in a system that doesn't befit him will hurt his chances with England + his brand name.
 
This needs to happen to cleanse the dressing room and to assert the manager’s position at the club. He is the main victim whose lack of effort and behaviour has always undermined coaches. As the highest paid player, with his profile, it wa always a massive issue.

I am glad that management has identified it so early and that this is happening. He is the main culprit, but I don’t think he is the only one. Let’s back the manager and root them out and regain control of the dressing room.
 
NotThatSoph said:
It's funny, I just saw your comment about people on here possibly being Rashford's paid PR people. So, you're so extremely aware of unofficial communications that you suspect agents might be posting undercover on Redcafe to get their message across, but at the same time you claim to refuse to believe anything comes from the club unless it has been notarised.

That's actually hilarious.
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That's not the case

However Player FC had been alive and kicking long before Rashford started playing football and will remain so long after he retired. Don't get me started the amount of shit I got for calling Phil Jones a liability and because I questioned Fletcher lightening speed rise from youth coach to technical director in a matter of less then a year
 
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