[zenith]

He needs to play on the left, much much better player there. Besides, he's given TAA an absolute nightmare of a time playing there before.

If we played the standard MR on left, greenwood on right and Cavani central, we maybe don't lose the game.

It would make a lot of sense to bring in Sancho, let pogba leave and attain the necessary balance and depth on the flanks to be able to win these games

 

[dal]

100 percent he should play in the left.

Really, even if we can end up with a team/squad like the below I’d be very happy.

Greenwood, Sancho, Grealish, Diallo, Rashford, Bruno, Cavani.

Pogba, Martial out.

That’s a world class attacking squad with a brilliant average age of 23. Rashford, Cavani, Greenwood can all play up top aswell. I think I’d prefer that to buying Kane in all honesty. It would be brilliant to watch aswell. When Cavani leaves just loan or buy another backup striker who hopefully is as good as Cavani.

I’d prioritise Grealish and Sancho over anyone else and I think Grealish can easily play false nine he is breathtaking. Its harder to sign these game changers, even if it means not signing a CM or CD.

————————-Greenwood———————
Rashford—Grealish———Bruno—-Sancho
———————————Fred—————————-

That’s better than city’s front 6. It looks too attacking but there is zero reason why we can’t play that in a lot of games with the right coaching.

 

[VeevaVee]

Got a goal but he was bloody awful.

His season in a nutshell

 

[Vault Dweller]

Injuries aside, his decision making is atrocious. The amount of times yesterday he mucked up when a simple pass to another team-mate was on or just blatantly picked the wrong option (trying to skin Robertson when surrounded by 3 Pool players) was infuriating.

He definitely has some injury issues, but his general play / decision making / passing has been really atrocious at times this year.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

Is it just me or does Rashford seem disinterested/distracted this season?

I really rate Rashford and when he's flying he is unplayable. This season his head doesn't seem to be there though. He doesn't seem to show any reaction when he has a bad miss or gives the ball away, he'll simply walk off like he's browsing around Sainsbury's

 

[Crustanoid]

Rest him until the Europa final and don’t let him go to the Euros this summer

 

[dal]

Is it just me or does Rashford seem disinterested/distracted this season?

I really rate Rashford and when he's flying he is unplayable. This season his head doesn't seem to be there though. He doesn't seem to show any reaction when he has a bad miss or gives the ball away, he'll simply walk off like he's browsing around Sainsbury's

Yes I do see that but yesterday he was at the races closing down but you must remember it could very possibly be down to tactics and injury management.

I’ve seen for a while that when the opposition full back have the ball our wide forwards press them into making a pass into areas where we have a high probability of winning the ball back.

 

[Red_toad]

Is it just me or does Rashford seem disinterested/distracted this season?

I really rate Rashford and when he's flying he is unplayable. This season his head doesn't seem to be there though. He doesn't seem to show any reaction when he has a bad miss or gives the ball away, he'll simply walk off like he's browsing around Sainsbury's

This season? He’s been amazing at times this season? So are you saying all season or more when his injury issues have been of concern to him and the team?
I doubt you’ll find the answers you want on here, lots people seem to hate him for numerous reasons. But we can’t expect all our our players to have the stamina of a prime Rooney, Park or Tevez. Marcus is a wide attacking player and Ole probably wants him further up the pitch where he can cause more damaged offensively, rather than tracking runners.

 

[LawCharltonBest]

This season? He’s been amazing at times this season? So are you saying all season or more when his injury issues have been of concern to him and the team?
I doubt you’ll find the answers you want on here, lots people seem to hate him for numerous reasons. But we can’t expect all our our players to have the stamina of a prime Rooney, Park or Tevez. Marcus is a wide attacking player and Ole probably wants him further up the pitch where he can cause more damaged offensively, rather than tracking runners.

Certainly not all season. But at various points all season.

It could be injury related, sure.

 

[Lentwood]

We do this at United.

“Playing out of position”
“Playing with injuries”
“Teammates not quick enough/good enough/don’t find him early enough/not on same wavelength”
“Tired”
“Low on confidence”
“Manager holding him back”

At some point, you just have to question could it possibly be that a player isn’t that good?

I always get stick for my views on Rashford but I have said since his second season that he’s no better than a “good” player. That’s about the long and short of it for me.

Greenwood is an example of a genuinely world class talent. Look at the difference in everything they do...the touch, the control in tight areas, the way they look after the ball, the consistency in their finishing, their decision making...Greenwood is already better in every respect

 

[Brwned]

We do this at United.

“Playing out of position”
“Playing with injuries”
“Teammates not quick enough/good enough/don’t find him early enough/not on same wavelength”
“Tired”
“Low on confidence”
“Manager holding him back”

At some point, you just have to question could it possibly be that a player isn’t that good?

I always get stick for my views on Rashford but I have said since his second season that he’s no better than a “good” player. That’s about the long and short of it for me.

Greenwood is an example of a genuinely world class talent. Look at the difference in everything they do...the touch, the control in tight areas, the way they look after the ball, the consistency in their finishing, their decision making...Greenwood is already better in every respect

Greenwood’s better at beating a man, or playing creative passes?

 

[KM]

We do this at United.

“Playing out of position”
“Playing with injuries”
“Teammates not quick enough/good enough/don’t find him early enough/not on same wavelength”
“Tired”
“Low on confidence”
“Manager holding him back”

At some point, you just have to question could it possibly be that a player isn’t that good?

I always get stick for my views on Rashford but I have said since his second season that he’s no better than a “good” player. That’s about the long and short of it for me.

Greenwood is an example of a genuinely world class talent. Look at the difference in everything they do...the touch, the control in tight areas, the way they look after the ball, the consistency in their finishing, their decision making...Greenwood is already better in every respect

You get stick for your views on Rashford cos they're idiotic and clownish.

Greenwood is a special talent but he isn't better than Rashford in every respect. Yet.

It's hilarious that without penalties he's our most productive players and yet seem to be getting the most stick too.

 

[NoLogo]

You get stick for your views on Rashford cos they're idiotic and clownish.

Greenwood is a special talent but he isn't better than Rashford in every respect. Yet.

It's hilarious that without penalties he's our most productive players and yet seem to be getting the most stick too.

Rashford turned out not to be the next Cristiano Ronaldo so people turned on him. The same will happen to Greenwood when they find out he isn't the next Cristiano Ronaldo either.

 

[KM]

Rashford turned out not to be the next Cristiano Ronaldo so people turned on him. The same will happen to Greenwood when they find out he isn't the next Cristiano Ronaldo either.

He(Greenwood) was already getting stick at the start of the season. People will criticize him next season too. That's the way it goes here.

I'm not sure where this attitude of not giving a feck comes tbh. He was the one who was constantly making runs in the second half.

First half was terrible no doubt but he was arguably our best attacking player in second half when played in his position.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Of course he's our most productive player. He plays the furthest forward, takes the most shots apart from maybe Bruno and plays in pretty much every game. It's so disheartening when people who enjoyed the likes of Scholes and giggs now throw out GA stats like Bible verses.years ago people were wanking over Gerrard and lampard for their numbers and we were laughing to the bank winning trophy after trophy. Anyways I'm with you Lentwood. Rashford has been a starter for almost 6 years now. He still has a lot of weaknesses to his game, his football brain/decision making being to me the biggest problem.

 

[roonster09]

You get stick for your views on Rashford cos they're idiotic and clownish.

Greenwood is a special talent but he isn't better than Rashford in every respect. Yet.

It's hilarious that without penalties he's our most productive players and yet seem to be getting the most stick too.

You should check the previous arguments.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rashford-and-martial-are-a-problem.458752/page-37#post-26833995

If Rashford scores 20 PL goals this season and gets 10+ assists you won’t hear a single peep from me about his constant bad decisions and losing possession etc...because I would acknowledge its well worth it.

This was the expectations on him, 20 PL goals + 10 assists. Just to give context to the expectations.

Just to show how ridiculous or how high the bench mark is, that 20 goals + 10 assists
- Mane did it 0 times
- Sterling did it 0 times
- Salah did it 1 time
- KdB did it 1 times (13 goals + 20 assists)
- Kane did it 0 times
- Son did it 0 times
- Bale did it 0 times
- Auba did it 0 times

Arguably the greatest PL player did it twice and the contender for that award, Ronaldo did it 0 times.

Among U23 players, only Haaland and Mbappe have scored more goals + assists from top 5 leagues.

From open play he is our most productive player but somehow he doesn't have good stats.

We should stop messing with his position and play him as LW, if not that then should be on the bench with Greenwood as RW.

 

[Frank White]

We do this at United.

“Playing out of position”
“Playing with injuries”
“Teammates not quick enough/good enough/don’t find him early enough/not on same wavelength”
“Tired”
“Low on confidence”
“Manager holding him back”

At some point, you just have to question could it possibly be that a player isn’t that good?

I always get stick for my views on Rashford but I have said since his second season that he’s no better than a “good” player. That’s about the long and short of it for me.

Greenwood is an example of a genuinely world class talent. Look at the difference in everything they do...the touch, the control in tight areas, the way they look after the ball, the consistency in their finishing, their decision making...Greenwood is already better in every respect

This isn’t a knock on Greenwood but not to long ago his season looked to be a near complete right off and the “excuses” where out for him too. What happened in the summer with Southgate, second season syndrome (not a excuse because it no doubt had a real effect on the young kid) but what happened to his friend.

Up until quite recent Greenwood’s “consistent” goal scoring had him on 5 goals for the entire season by the Leicester FA cup game.

 

[KM]

You should check the previous arguments.
https://www.redcafe.net/threads/rashford-and-martial-are-a-problem.458752/page-37#post-26833995



This was the expectations on him, 20 PL goals + 10 assists. Just to give context to the expectations.


Among U23 players, only Haaland and Mbappe have scored more goals + assists from top 5 leagues.

From open play he is our most productive player but somehow he doesn't have good stats.

We should stop messing with his position and play him as LW, if not that then should be on the bench with Greenwood as RW.

Jesus, absolute horrendous

 

[roonster09]

Jesus, absolute horrendous

Rashford is 4th in Goals + assists in PL (non penalty goals) but apparently not productive enough. 36 goals + assists this season with only 2 of them from the spot, that's a very good record.

 

[christinaa]

It's funny but is he carrying an injury?

 

[KM]

Rashford is 4th in Goals + assists in PL (non penalty goals) but apparently not productive enough. 36 goals + assists this season with only 2 of them from the spot, that's a very good record.

It's shocking that things like stats are used to judge attacking players. They should be judged by stuff like decision making and stuff.

 

[united_99]

Fans do what they usually do - constant underrating of players while overrating of other players.
Greenwood is a great talent but people only need to read his performance thread from earlier this season to see what nonsense was written about him and how he was written off. He was indeed having a bad season and people started claiming how all of a sudden he was not a great talent anymore. This claim was as wrong as the one which puts him above Rashford based on performances within a couple of months.
This will happen again in the next few seasons. Whenever Greenwood will be in bad form he will get the same treatment he got earlier and Rashford is getting now and people will ask why Ole is not playing Amad instead of him.

 

[roonster09]

It's shocking that things like stats are used to judge attacking players. They should be judged by stuff like decision making and stuff.

And by watching highlights of other matches where attackers barely make a mistake or wrong decision.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Ole needs to stop the charade and play our best attacker in his best position.

I really wish Rashford would sit out the Euros. Would do wonders for him next season.

 

[Brwned]

Of course he's our most productive player. He plays the furthest forward, takes the most shots apart from maybe Bruno and plays in pretty much every game. It's so disheartening when people who enjoyed the likes of Scholes and giggs now throw out GA stats like Bible verses.years ago people were wanking over Gerrard and lampard for their numbers and we were laughing to the bank winning trophy after trophy. Anyways I'm with you Lentwood. Rashford has been a starter for almost 6 years now. He still has a lot of weaknesses to his game, his football brain/decision making being to me the biggest problem.

Yeah we won all of those trophies because Lampard and Gerrard were the weak links...

 

[Desert Eagle]

Yeah we won all of those trophies because Lampard and Gerrard were the weak links...

Way to miss the point. Giggs and Scholes are better players than Gerrard and lampard but you'd never know it if people used the same arguments they do for rashford. Football is not just stats.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Rashford has 11 league goals this season, Greenwood should really surpass him as the teams wide goalscorer in the long run if he stays on the right, and I'd rather have a creative player like Grealish on the opposite flank than Rashford. Think Ole has to pull back on his Rashford and Mctominay obsession going forward albeit Rashford still has a massive part to play

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Way to miss the point. Giggs and Scholes are better players than Gerrard and lampard but you'd never know it if people used the same arguments they do for rashford. Football is not just stats.

You don't think there's a difference between an attacker being productive vs a midfielder?

Why is Rashford's production completely brushed aside?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Rashford has 11 league goals this season, Greenwood should really surpass him as the teams wide goalscorer in the long run if he stays on the right, and I'd rather have a creative player like Grealish on the opposite flank than Rashford. Think Ole has to pull back on his Rashford and Mctominay obsession going forward albeit Rashford still has a massive part to play

Rashford is a far far better player than McTominay.

Literally they're levels apart. It's an insult to group them together.

 

[Brwned]

Way to miss the point. Giggs and Scholes are better players than Gerrard and lampard but you'd never know it if people used the same arguments they do for rashford. Football is not just stats.

It’s a bit of an odd point, really. It’s not unreasonable to think Giggs and Scholes were better than those two - many would agree, but even many United fans would disagree - but even if they were, being in a tier below Scholes is hardly a criticism. The fact they were so productive was part of the reason they were at least in that tier below. So if Rashford is more productive but less effective than e.g. Mane, that’s hardly a big criticism given that most wingers are not even in the class below Mane.

The most productive players tend to be in the conversation for being the best players. It doesn’t in itself make them the best, but the correlation is quite strong. Gerrard and Lampard are obvious examples of great players who were also very productive.

 

[GlasgowCeltic]

Rashford is a far far better player than McTominay.

Literally they're levels apart. It's an insult to group them together.

Literally never compared them as players, they're treated as untouchables in the eleven and neither should be going forward

 

[Desert Eagle]

You don't think there's a difference between an attacker being productive vs a midfielder?

Why is Rashford's production completely brushed aside?

It is not completely brushed aside. It is literally brought up everytime someone criticizes him. Nobody is saying sell Rashford or he's shit. I am saying like many others he is overhyped and his performances leave a lot to be desired. The guy used to run and press magnificently and now he walks about like a lazy primadonna. If in 3/4 years time Greenwood does not progress and becomes stagnant he will get criticized too. Even Rooney who is an all time great got criticized when people felt he was holding the team back. He is young enough to fix things and improve and I'd rather his coaches criticize him and teach him and push him to be better rather than want over him and tell him he's already brilliant.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Literally never compared them as players, they're treated as untouchables in the eleven and neither should be going forward

I don't think any player should be untouchable in our team(except Bruno probably), but Rashford's case is way better than McTominay's in that regard.

 

[VeevaVee]

He weirdly contributes heavily to both the shit results and the good ones, without changing his performances. The output is great but consistent results need more consistently good performances from players like him, and not just an excellent cross or finish once in 90 minutes (which is exactly why goal stats aren't everything).

 

[Desert Eagle]

It’s a bit of an odd point, really. It’s not unreasonable to think Giggs and Scholes were better than those two - many would agree, but even many United fans would disagree - but even if they were, being in a tier below Scholes is hardly a criticism. The fact they were so productive was part of the reason they were at least in that tier below. So if Rashford is more productive but less effective than e.g. Mane, that’s hardly a big criticism given that most wingers are not even in the class below Mane.

The most productive players tend to be in the conversation for being the best players. It doesn’t in itself make them the best, but the correlation is quite strong. Gerrard and Lampard are obvious examples of great players who were also very productive.

The point was made because in response to criticisms of his football , people throw out stats to defend him. His stats are good and he is a good player nobody is arguing that. But when you say he has poor decision making and people throw out GA it's completely missing the point for me.

 

[Ash_G]

It’s a bit of an odd point, really. It’s not unreasonable to think Giggs and Scholes were better than those two - many would agree, but even many United fans would disagree - but even if they were, being in a tier below Scholes is hardly a criticism. The fact they were so productive was part of the reason they were at least in that tier below. So if Rashford is more productive but less effective than e.g. Mane, that’s hardly a big criticism given that most wingers are not even in the class below Mane.

The most productive players tend to be in the conversation for being the best players. It doesn’t in itself make them the best, but the correlation is quite strong. Gerrard and Lampard are obvious examples of great players who were also very productive.

That's definitely a fair point. I'm someone who definitely finds myself frequently frustrated with Rashford but can't deny he is also getting a good tangible output/

I guess I have two main thoughts on this. Firstly whilst you can deny his output would the team be better off with someone who regularly makes better decisions in attacking situations that Rashford in a similar vein to when we let RVN go, which I think was partially for the overall good of the team and where we were trying to go.

On the other hand though given Rashford's output actually do we persist with him but actually we need to look at the other wing and midfield and improve that. I think Pogba, Bruno and Rashford are all good players but they can all be quite erratic and are generally 'high-risk' players. All 3 of them can go through a game not making the best choices but suddenly do something and I wonder if to really get to the next level do we need at least one player who will make the right decision more often than not to balance it out. I guess this links in to your Gerrard/Lampard point- I don't think with either you would ever have the discussion for Liverpool/Chelsea that the team would be better off without then but I think there was a reasonable debate for England about the net benefit of trying to get them both in.

 

[AltiUn]

I'm gonna stick to my opinion that Rashford is going to frustrate the ever-living shit out of us until one day everything just clicks and he becomes a 35+ goal a season player.

 

[Adam-Utd]

We need to get the wing options sorted ASAP. trying to force him into the right side because Greenwood can't play every game is such a waste. He is useless on the right side apart from having a half decent cross on him at times.

On the left he's a completely different animal. Very frustrating.

 

[Frank White]

Rashford has 11 league goals this season, Greenwood should really surpass him as the teams wide goalscorer in the long run if he stays on the right, and I'd rather have a creative player like Grealish on the opposite flank than Rashford. Think Ole has to pull back on his Rashford and Mctominay obsession going forward albeit Rashford still has a massive part to play

Obsession? It’s more of a necessity. Neither player are keeping world beaters out of the team.

Don’t see how spunking away the best part of probably nearly all are transfer budget on Grealish solves the glaring problem areas like CB, DM and to a lesser extent ST.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Ideally our front options next season should be Greenwood,Rashford,Cavani,Sancho and another ST, someone who's reasonably priced.
Great options there and you can rotate between them effectively depending on the situation.

One stumbling block is the fact we also have major issues in various other areas of the team and I cant see the Glazers willing to back Ole that heavily in the market.