[Swiss_Red89]

I think it's lost time to discuss whether he will participate at the Euros or not. If he is fit, or even half fit, he certainly will get the call and will go. (I agree that for us it would be better if he skips it, but he won't)

Other topic. For all the talk that he can't play from the right, he still shows good attributes from there. His crossing from the right can be absolutely beautiful. He has already whipped in a few very good ones from that side this season. The delivery for Cavanis goal vs Everton at home is arguably one of the best of the season. He should use it even more if he plays from the right. Especially if Cavani is on the field.

 

[Hammondo]

Feels like Greenwood is going to score every game. He's that sort of player.

Seems difficult to give someone a 4/10 performance when we won the match and the player contributed an assist. What does someone need to do to get a 7/10 from you?

For a player performance winning doesn't matter and an assist is not exactly the most important thing.

 

[Hammondo]

For United this would be great news but tactically he’s a very important player for England even if he doesn’t start. Only player with a penetrative streak to him in terms of running in behind from wide areas.

England has quite a few options though.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

For a player performance winning doesn't matter and an assist is not exactly the most important thing.

The result points to the team's performance which can be a good guide to the player's performance. Like I said, it's the starting point and the end rating will be influenced by good and bad decisive actions during the match.

 

[Hammondo]

The result points to the team's performance which can be a good guide to the player's performance. Like I said, it's the starting point and the end rating will be influenced by good and bad decisive actions during the match.

A team performance means nothing for an individual.

 

[jesperjaap]

England has quite a few options though.

Very true. We have five or six excellent players for both wing spots. For me personally, I would be starting with Foden on the right and Grealish on the left. Funny how last summer so many were saying we shouldnt sign Grealish as he wont play. With our current options, Rashford is that player we bring on when chasing the game, pretty much the same for Sterling too if it was down to me and of course there is SAncho too. The fact Greenwood even though so young will do well to get into the squad this summer for England shows just how well off we are in those positions at the moment

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

A team performance means nothing for an individual.

Hogwash.

 

[Foxbatt]

If Rashford does pass or cross it early it is much better for the team. But for some odd reason all our wing players think there are strikers and want to score goals for themselves. We had selfless players like Becks and Giggs on the wings and they create a lot more goals for our striker in the middle.

 

[Raees]

England has quite a few options though.

None of them are the same style of player though. He brings a unique tactical dimension to the side, even if in bad form etc.

 

[ValenciasDrilledCrosses]

If Rashford does pass or cross it early it is much better for the team. But for some odd reason all our wing players think there are strikers and want to score goals for themselves. We had selfless players like Becks and Giggs on the wings and they create a lot more goals for our striker in the middle.

That's not how the modern game works if you've paid any attention in the past 10 years. While Beckham and Giggs were better players than Rashford they played completely different roles, it's nothing to do with Rashford 'wanting' to be a striker. Wingers aren't hugging the touchlines whipping crosses into the two front men. Almost every winger nowadays plays on the side opposite to their strong foot because they're inside forwards who cut in to combine/shoot. Goalscoring responsibilities are much more spread across front 3s in modern tactics. Rashford still contributes with a lot of assists despite this, even if he could have even more if he cleaned up his decision makings.

 

[He'sRaldo]

That's not how the modern game works if you've paid any attention in the past 10 years. While Beckham and Giggs were better players than Rashford they played completely different roles, it's nothing to do with Rashford 'wanting' to be a striker. Wingers aren't hugging the touchlines whipping crosses into the two front men. Almost every winger nowadays plays on the side opposite to their strong foot because they're inside forwards who cut in to combine/shoot. Goalscoring responsibilities are much more spread across front 3s in modern tactics. Rashford still contributes with a lot of assists despite this, even if he could have even more if he cleaned up his decision makings.

Depends on what you view as crossing early. Rashford on the left almost always takes it to the byline, then cuts back onto his right foot and tries to dribble inwards and shoot. I assume crossing early in that context meant simply releasing the cutback quickly sometimes, instead of always trying to cut in and beat multiple players.

For a lot of this season our central striker was completely starved of service no matter who played there, and playing a creative type like Pogba on the wing has exposed the lack of creativity coming from those areas. If Rashford could improve on his selflessness and decision making then he could easily play on the left and be a net benefit for the whole team, even if his goal numbers were to drop a little.

 

[Highfather_24]

Just trying to understand how you approach it. I keep it basic, 4 is the standard rating for a loss, 5 for a draw and 6 for a win. Then factor in things like mistakes (give aways that lead to goals, red cards etc), positive actions (goals, assists, key saves, tackles interceptions etc) and overall performance. Generally in my system, for 10/10 you need a hat-trick in a winning match (6 for the win, one point for each goal and bonus for the hat-trick)

Its not that deep for me, I dont think about it much. I just thought he had a poor performance in an otherwise really good(although inconsistent) season.

 

[Highfather_24]

Everyone will do the ratings differently (or in my case not at all!) but I think it makes more sense to rate individuals based on the way they personally played. Just starting everyone at a 6 for a win seems a little strange to me. What if Henderson throws 5 balls into his own net but we win 6-5?

Despite the pelters @Highfather_24 is getting, I don’t think there’s much wrong in his opinion. Rashford was probably 5/10 in my book but it was a largely poor performance with a moment of real quality for the assist. That in a nutshell is the issue with Rashford. He’s either a 9/10 or he’s a 4 or 5/10 and that’s something he needs to stamp out in time. He’s still young though and when it all comes together we could be looking at a world beater.

This.

 

[KM]

Ehh, dont see why people are getting so triggered. I think it was a 4/10 performance, others think it was a 6/10 one, not like there's a huge gap in our evaluation. Damn people are sensitive about Rashford

The only person who seem to be triggered in this thread is you. Have been going in this thread since the last two days posting absolute rubbish and then has the nerve to say people are sensitive about Rashford.

 

[Godfather]

Seems a physical wreck. Hope he can recover in the summer

 

[Highfather_24]

Have been going in this thread since the last two days posting absolute rubbish and then has the nerve to say people are sensitive about Rashford.

Yet, I'm not the one going around calling people's opinions rubbish. Hell, I'm not even debating people who think he had a good game.

Pot, kettle, black. I'm done with this thread

 

[Hammondo]

None of them are the same style of player though. He brings a unique tactical dimension to the side, even if in bad form etc.

I don't think he's the best though, I would put a few Ahead of him.

 

[Raees]

I don't think he's the best though, I would put a few Ahead of him.

Again you’re not actually getting the point I’m making, whether he’s the best or not is irrelevant - I would put others ahead of him too if we are talking just who should start. I still think he brings a key tactical dimension which England could do with in certain scenarios such as pace in behind if an opponent is playing with a high line. Not many in the England squad with that level of penetration.

 

[Hammondo]

Again you’re not actually getting the point I’m making, whether he’s the best or not is irrelevant - I would put others ahead of him too if we are talking just who should start. I still think he brings a key tactical dimension which England could do with in certain scenarios such as pace in behind if an opponent is playing with a high line. Not many in the England squad with that level of penetration.

If we need more pace and direct attack, then yes, however I think a different lineup can bring and produce a lot more. If we play Germany for example we simply will need and want more.

 

[charlenefan]

Absolutely disaster cameo, comes on and looses his man undoing all the defending the lads did before him and then barely did anything right at the other end either

 

[adkb]

Is there a reason for Rashy to half ass-ing it? His body language really is very negative in the last few games. I am certain he is nursing an injury and what not but he certainly would not be making it to the final 11 for the Europa final. There is just no way. Zero urgency. He does come good occasionally with assists and goals every now and then, but the United team seems to have taken a step up while Rashford seems to still be a bit lost!

Hope I am wrong!

 

[Idxomer]

I'm gonna say it, he's better on the right.

The way he plays on the left is only beneficial to him and not the team, it's a poor imitation of the current version of Ronaldo.

 

[mattunited1978]

Absolute shite cameo

 

[Jaxa]

I think he gets in his own head too much and overthinks it,

Always throws a strop when he makes a mistake and can’t seem to get over it, disaster start losing his man but get over it and go make up for it at the other end instead of feeling sorry for yourself.

 

[Vidyoyo]

Good player obviously but I don't remember any game he's come off the bench and done particularly well.

 

[RonaldoVII]

Good player obviously but I don't remember any game he's come off the bench and done particularly well.

Hat trick against Leipzig?

He was shocking today though.

 

[Velvet Revolver]

Good player obviously but I don't remember any game he's come off the bench and done particularly well.

didnt he score a 20 min hattrick coming on as a sub? carabao or europa i dont remember

Edit - leipzig champions league

 

[Vidyoyo]

Hat trick against Leipzig?

He was shocking today though.

Ooof yes. I stand corrected

 

[DWelbz19]

With Money Mason in red hot form, Cavani undoubtedly no.9, and PP on the left — I don’t see how Rashford starts the final on merit right now.

 

[#07]

Absolutely disaster cameo, comes on and looses his man undoing all the defending the lads did before him and then barely did anything right at the other end either

Yup. Considering his ankle problems I don't even know why he came on. Would have benefitted us more to bring on some legs in midfield and move Van de Beek to the left side like in Roma.

The worst thing you can say is that he offered little more than Elanga after coming on.

 

[Borys]

When he's shite he's shite, but he never plays well as a sub does he?

 

[Godfather]

I know he isn't a number 9 and will never be but could we at least try and teach him how to head a football?

 

[Godfather]

With Money Mason in red hot form, Cavani undoubtedly no.9, and PP on the left — I don’t see how Rashford starts the final on merit right now.

I hope he doesn't

 

[klayton88]

Why do people say he's injured and defend him when he's playing shit? He full on sprints and doesn't look one bit injured. He's not out there hobbling about.

 

[georgipep]

When he's shite he's shite, but he never plays well as a sub does he?

Leipzig at home

 

[Ali Dia]

Why do people say he's injured and defend him when he's playing shit? He full on sprints and doesn't look one bit injured. He's not out there hobbling about.

I think it’s supposed to be a shoulder/back injury more than his ankle.

 

[17Larsson]

I think he gets in his own head too much and overthinks it,

Always throws a strop when he makes a mistake and can’t seem to get over it, disaster start losing his man but get over it and go make up for it at the other end instead of feeling sorry for yourself.

Exactly this.

Just get on with it, get stuck in, stop over thinking and don't be afraid to put a shift in.

He should be learning from the way Bruno and Cavani buzz around the place

 

[calodo2003]

With Money Mason in red hot form, Cavani undoubtedly no.9, and PP on the left — I don’t see how Rashford starts the final on merit right now.

On merit?

He wouldn’t start.

 

[Borys]

Leipzig at home

He played CF that game right?
Today he started on the left and after failing a few times, he moved to central position.

 

[georgipep]

He played CF that game right?
Today he started on the left and after failing a few times, he moved to central position.

Overall his sub was a waste of an option and unnecessary minutes when we conceded. I'm sure Ole put him on the pitch to exploit the innevitable spaces Leicester were going to leave behind while chasing the goal, especially if Ricardo Pereira was coming on. But alas, the plan went in the bin immediately.

Probably Ole would've preferred Pogba or Shaw instead if making the sub at 1:2. I know I would.