Marcus Rashford loan move?

Rashford is becoming the ultimate example of the media and fans conspiring to create a problem where there isn't one. He's playing plenty of football for a 20-year-old, his development is astonishing for a 20-year-old, he's well on the way to becoming an incredible footballer ahead of schedule. No apparent problems with attitude, with injuries, with development, with his response to the pressure of playing for England and Manchester United. He's really coming on like an absolute dream.
 
Brightonian said:
Rashford is becoming the ultimate example of the media and fans conspiring to create a problem where there isn't one. He's playing plenty of football for a 20-year-old, his development is astonishing for a 20-year-old, he's well on the way to becoming an incredible footballer ahead of schedule. No apparent problems with attitude, with injuries, with development, with his response to the pressure of playing for England and Manchester United. He's really coming on like an absolute dream.
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you keep bringing up how much he is playing that isn't the problem people keep pointing out, its that very few of those minutes are in "his" position as a striker most are from the wing, he will not develop as a striker by playing on the wing
 
I would only loan him out if he gets a guaranteed starting place in the first eleven week in week out, plenty of them as a striker. I dont know if that would happen at Leicester, Everton or Newcastle, but i wouldnt dismiss it immediately, depending on our transfer ins and outs.
 
I’d be happy to see him go on loan and would be happy to see him go to Leicester, just not Leicester under Claude Puel.

Also I just don’t see anybody taking him and making him their main striker knowing they’ve only got him for a year. If somebody is going to do that then fine, a year as a main striker for someone would really bring him on as a player.
 
This always seems like a good idea on paper, but I can't think of good examples where a loan move at this stage of their career helped the player. Which players benefited from such move and went on to make it at their main club?
 
KGBhoy said:
This always seems like a good idea on paper, but I can't think of good examples where a loan move at this stage of their career helped the player. Which players benefited from such move and went on to make it at their main club?
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David Beckham?
 
I don't think it'd be the worst idea ever to loan Rashford to a club like Everton or Leicester, provided he is first choice. He isn't really making any progress here.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
you keep bringing up how much he is playing that isn't the problem people keep pointing out, its that very few of those minutes are in "his" position as a striker most are from the wing, he will not develop as a striker by playing on the wing
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His position isn't a striker. He has played as a striker for about 4 months of his life which was under LVG. He was a no.10/second striker in youth football and his time in senior football has shown that he doesn't have the qualities to be a striker.

His talents are wasted as a striker, where he can't utilize his dribbling or his rocket of a right foot cutting inside into dangerous shooting positions. He can't hold up the ball, and gets his pocket picked far too easily by centre backs.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
you keep bringing up how much he is playing that isn't the problem people keep pointing out, its that very few of those minutes are in "his" position as a striker most are from the wing, he will not develop as a striker by playing on the wing
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Is he a pure striker though? He looked pretty good for England playing a sort of deep lying forward role with the license to roam the other night. He's also shown he can be pretty lethal from the left when he's on form, like against Liverpool last season.

I actually think he has the skillset, along with his pace and being a fairly tall kid, to play a few different roles. I'm not sure I'd want to pigeon hole him as an out and out striker, especially when we already have Lukaku and England have Kane.

If he can improve his decision making I think he would be starting every week as any part of the front 3. This is the only thing seriously letting him down (when to pass rather than shoot, taking one touch too many, beating a man with a feint then trying to beat him again and losing it etc) but it's also the thing that should improve with experience.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
you keep bringing up how much he is playing that isn't the problem people keep pointing out, its that very few of those minutes are in "his" position as a striker most are from the wing, he will not develop as a striker by playing on the wing
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It's not unusual at all to see a youngster given games in unpreferred positions, we've done it plenty of times with the likes of Jones and Smalling when they played DM and right back respectively. How many other 20 year olds have been given the amount of pitch time Rashford has?
 
breakout67 said:
His position isn't a striker. He has played as a striker for about 4 months of his life which was under LVG. He was a no.10/second striker in youth football and his time in senior football has shown that he doesn't have the qualities to be a striker.

His talents are wasted as a striker, where he can't utilize his dribbling or his rocket of a right foot cutting inside into dangerous shooting positions. He can't hold up the ball, and gets his pocket picked far too easily by centre backs.
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Crimson King said:
Is he a pure striker though? He looked pretty good for England playing a sort of deep lying forward role with the license to roam the other night. He's also shown he can be pretty lethal from the left when he's on form, like against Liverpool last season.

I actually think he has the skillset, along with his pace and being a fairly tall kid, to play a few different roles. I'm not sure I'd want to pigeon hole him as an out and out striker, especially when we already have Lukaku and England have Kane.

If he can improve his decision making I think he would be starting every week as any part of the front 3. This is the only thing seriously letting him down (when to pass rather than shoot, taking one touch too many, beating a man with a feint then trying to beat him again and losing it etc) but it's also the thing that should improve with experience.
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I'm going off the pieces I have read where its said he sees himself as a striker
 
Brightonian said:
Rashford is becoming the ultimate example of the media and fans conspiring to create a problem where there isn't one. He's playing plenty of football for a 20-year-old, his development is astonishing for a 20-year-old, he's well on the way to becoming an incredible footballer ahead of schedule. No apparent problems with attitude, with injuries, with development, with his response to the pressure of playing for England and Manchester United. He's really coming on like an absolute dream.
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Spot on.

Whilst we can’t control media stories, although we know they are mostly made up crap. I find it astonishing so many people on here would gladly chuck him out on loan, I can only assume this is a by-product of playing too much FM.

First team players like Rashford don’t go out on loan. This simply will not happen.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
you keep bringing up how much he is playing that isn't the problem people keep pointing out, its that very few of those minutes are in "his" position as a striker most are from the wing, he will not develop as a striker by playing on the wing
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That's not really true. Players can develop skill set playing as winger which will help them as forwards too. Griezmann was winger before signing for Atletico, Diego Coata was winger too till Falcao left Atletico.
 
KGBhoy said:
This always seems like a good idea on paper, but I can't think of good examples where a loan move at this stage of their career helped the player. Which players benefited from such move and went on to make it at their main club?
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Harry Kane?
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
I'm going off the pieces I have read where its said he sees himself as a striker
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There's probably a bit of confusion in terminology. Mourinho considers Martial, Lukaku, Sanchez and Rashford all as strikers. Rashford probably uses striker as a general term for a goalscoring forward.
 
Impulse said:
Beckham went on loan after he'd played a single game for United, Rashford has played more than 120 games for United and has 19 England caps. Those are not even remotely comparable situations.
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He asked which players have gone on loan, benefited from said loan, and went on to make it at their own club. Beckham fits the bill.
 
I can’t see this happening personally, I think it would benefit him to have a loan move but the he had so much gambetter time last season, I think Mourinho does rate him too high to loan him out. Personally I’d like to see it happen if his game time is to be cut next season. But I’d also always be worrying that we will never see him in a United shirt again if he does go.
 
Brightonian said:
Rashford is becoming the ultimate example of the media and fans conspiring to create a problem where there isn't one. He's playing plenty of football for a 20-year-old, his development is astonishing for a 20-year-old, he's well on the way to becoming an incredible footballer ahead of schedule. No apparent problems with attitude, with injuries, with development, with his response to the pressure of playing for England and Manchester United. He's really coming on like an absolute dream.
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This is a great point. Spot on.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
He asked which players have gone on loan, benefited from said loan, and went on to make it at their own club. Beckham fits the bill.
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I did say "at this stage of their career". You can also say Welbeck and Evans. But they weren't an established members of the squad at the time. Rashford regularly is in the gameday squad. I'm trying to make a point that this doesn't usually happen or workout.
 
Definitely keep him with the team. He is playing plenty of football, he got 13 goals last year including key strikes against Leicester, Benfica and Liverpool.

He had a difficult end to the season as the sole striker, but while he has to take flak for that, I feel that it wasnt all his fault.

We are a club that prides itself on developing young players. We should be patient with him and develop him ourselves.
 
KGBhoy said:
I did say "at this stage of their career". You can also say Welbeck and Evans. But they weren't an established members of the squad at the time. Rashford regularly is in the gameday squad. I'm trying to make a point that this doesn't usually happen or workout.
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Well, Rashford is 20 and Beckham was 19, but I get what you're saying.
 
KGBhoy said:
This is a great point. Spot on.
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The english media are trying to kill another player by inflating his ego, just so when he under performs due to poor organisation they can slaughter him. The worst thing that can happen to a young player is to be told that they have 'made it' so they become complacent.

Ian Wright, Lee Dixon and Martin Keown talk of him as if he is Lionel Messi. All 3 are clowns.
 
A loan move right now would be a massive step backwards for the lad. It's not gonna happen.
 
Jimmy Skitz said:
you keep bringing up how much he is playing that isn't the problem people keep pointing out, its that very few of those minutes are in "his" position as a striker most are from the wing, he will not develop as a striker by playing on the wing
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Only the FM generation would consider it worse for a player's development to be playing as a wide forward instead of a central forward than to be shipped halfway across the country, away from his home, family, friends, teammates, coaching and fitness staff, to a team where his qualities won't be known, where there's no investment in his development and where his presence will likely be resented by many of his teammates.

He's running at defenders and attacking the goal. He's involved in the build-up, he's shooting, and he's trying to get on the end of chances. He's chalking up goals and assists. What exactly about the position he's playing is doing him so much harm? Arguably he's benefiting slightly from the fact that he's not backed into some lump of a CB for half the game trying to bring down long balls forward - from a wide position he generally receives the ball with a bit of space to run at his defender, which is the thing he's best at.
 
Impulse said:
Harry Kane went on loan after playing 100+ games for Spurs and breaking into the England team? That's the position that Rashford is in now.
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Well put it on reverse name me a youth player that spent the majority of his development on the wing to then become the clubs main striker? It’s all relative... but what I do know is loan moves help player development when they lack consistent first team football and Rashford is not developing because of this.
 
It's all well and good him going on loan and even doing well. But would he have a spot to start into when he's back? I am not sure with Mourinho and his love-in with Lukaku.
 
Rightnr said:
It's all well and good him going on loan and even doing well. But would he have a spot to start into when he's back? I am not sure with Mourinho and his love-in with Lukaku.
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By 'love in' do you mean the manager picking the better player? Because Lukaku is better than Rashford.
 
Mainoldo said:
Well put it on reverse name me a youth player that spent the majority of his development on the wing to then become the clubs main striker? It’s all relative... but what I do know is loan moves help player development when they lack consistent first team football and Rashford is not developing because of this.
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Henry?
 
Mainoldo said:
Well put it on reverse name me a youth player that spent the majority of his development on the wing to then become the clubs main striker? It’s all relative... but what I do know is loan moves help player development when they lack consistent first team football and Rashford is not developing because of this.
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Firstly I consider Rashford's development to be going perfectly well so I don't think there's any need for a loan, and secondly I don't think Rashford's best position nor his long term position is as a centre forward so I think that's irrelevant.
 
Brightonian said:
Only the FM generation would consider it worse for a player's development to be playing as a wide forward instead of a central forward than to be shipped halfway across the country, away from his home, family, friends, teammates, coaching and fitness staff, to a team where his qualities won't be known, where there's no investment in his development and where his presence will likely be resented by many of his teammates.

He's running at defenders and attacking the goal. He's involved in the build-up, he's shooting, and he's trying to get on the end of chances. He's chalking up goals and assists. What exactly about the position he's playing is doing him so much harm? Arguably he's benefiting slightly from the fact that he's not backed into some lump of a CB for half the game trying to bring down long balls forward - from a wide position he generally receives the ball with a bit of space to run at his defender, which is the thing he's best at.
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What a load of drivel. So people can’t before men by coming out of their comfort zones? He’s not developing for that very reason he’s not backing into lump center backs or timing his runnings and been patient when things aren’t going his way.
 
Impulse said:
Firstly I consider Rashford's development to be going perfectly well so I don't think there's any need for a loan, and secondly I don't think Rashford's best position nor his long term position is as a centre forward so I think that's irrelevant.
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He was rubbish by his own standards last year so him and me don’t agree with you. Secondly what is his best position?
 
Mainoldo said:
Sold by Juventus for being crap. So no!
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I honestly never saw him play at Juve. With Rashford I don't really mind him playing out wide for a couple of seasons, I think it has developed his game notably. The loan move is a tough one as I do genuinely believe it would do him the world of good but he is at a point now that it would definitely detract from our squad to lose him. A lot probably depends on how his world cup goes.
 
Mainoldo said:
He was rubbish by his own standards last year so him and me don’t agree with you. Secondly what is his best position?
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I don't think he was rubbish, I think he was inconsistent which is expected of a young player but if you compare him to other players in his age group around Europe I think he comes out favourably against most. Left of a front three imo.
 
The Bloody-Nine said:
By 'love in' do you mean the manager picking the better player? Because Lukaku is better than Rashford.
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No, I mean the fact that Mourinho plays Lukaku in insignificant games and gives Rashford so little chance to play in his preferred position, the youngster has little chance to build confidence and momentum.

It's hardly rocket science that if you play once in a blue moon, let alone in your preferred position, you won't do well when you're given a chance.

This club has a long-standing tradition of not only playing young players but trusting them and letting them grow on the pitch.
 
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