Marcus Rashford - Linked to PSG

House Mkhitaryan said:
After one bad season in a completely dysfunctional side under Ole (where he may have played through injury), people here want to dump him when we have no depth up front and with no indication the club has any clue in how to replace him. In the previous season (20-21), even with a run of bad form late in the year, he managed 19 goals, 9 assists in 43 starts between the EPL, ECL and EL.

Looked good in preseason and it would be criminal not to at least give him a chance in ETH's system. If his drop in form continues, we sell next summer when we have the entire window to find a replacement.
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Agree. At least a few people talk sense.

But hey, the same people who now say "let's ship him we've Garnacho" will probably shit on Garnacho as soon as it becomes clear that he is not ready for such a role yet.
 
This is a purely a testing the waters and understanding what wages someone else is willing to pay for Marcus in an open market, from a team that has endless money, of which there are very few clubs.

Marcus's side have understood to some degree what they should now ask for wages when engaging United for a renewal. They have their valuation, United theirs.

Currently, United have 4 players that make above 300K (GBP) - Ronaldo, de Gea, Varane, Sancho. Marcus currently is at 200K. He isn't a 300K+ player under this new regime.

I'm not totally against renewing Marcus, but it has to be a fair wage with the understanding the club aren't guaranteeing anything in terms of playing time. He has to earn it and work for it. The stories throughout the summer about how he views himself and needing 3 matches to get into the groove of things, etc. was a surreal lack of self-awareness.

United cannot be so sentimental. He's paid to perform at football. He has serious questions in terms of his performances and actual ability going into his mid to late 20s.
 
This appears to be a contract negotiating tactic that has gone horribly wrong. Rashford's people put out that he might go to PSG, expected the fans to rally and the club to offer a new contract. The result, every poll I have seen has over 80% support for getting rid of Rashford. Now a player short of confidence is well aware that almost the whole fanbase would like to see him leave, and it's put United in a position where they have to offer a contract to a player that isn't performing and the fans don't want.

I don't see Rashford getting better after this stunt, I think it's going to get worse.
 
sglowrider said:
Yeap. It's embarrassing. Zero sense of loyalty especially to one of our own. Worst set of 'supporters' in the League.
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Loyalty is only wanted when a player has performed. When they’re not performing fans want them gone.
 
I would be happy to see him go but there would be some hypocrisy for someone championing no kid going hungry and championing charities and then going to play for sports washing owners at psg
 
This is obviously agent talk to get an improved contract. PSG have no need for Rashford
 
Pughnichi said:
Loyalty is only wanted when a player has performed. When they’re not performing fans want them gone.
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Performance obviously plays a part in sport, however, ask yourself this...what does the player want, what are they seeking?

Marcus Rashford has been shown a tremendous amount of support and loyalty since he came on the scene and before that by the club. He's one of the highest earners at the club, wears the #10, and uses the club's platform for his own personal benefit and interests. When the team he's playing in has not performed well, he's one of the main culprits. And it's not even performances, it's the general lack of effort and decision making. His PR support was on overdrive this past summer trying to put him as a victim of our horrendous season, when he himself was a main reason why United were so poor, yet he didn't put himself in the firing line trying to take any accountability.

Actions speak louder than words, and his actions on the pitch last year and the noise coming from his camp this past summer was not of a player loyal to the club.

If Marcus wants more validation from the club or whatever it is he's after, including more money, then performances are what drive that. He has to earn that right, he has to show it. Professional sport is a performance based business.
 
Gee Male said:
Others have piled on your post here, I don't mean to add to that but wanted to respond seeing as you replied to me.

I am purely ralking about on pitch attitude, I don't care for rumours and I definitely pay no attention to the press. When things aren't going His way on the pitch, he becomes sullen, insular, his head drops, he starts trying to force things on the ball and he's not good enough to do that which makes it spiral.

I get your point re a lack of confidence, but I think it's more than that.

I think the attitude issue goes right through the academy as I said - add to Rashford the likes of Pogba, Lingard, Greenwood, go back as far as Ravel if you want. We are bringing young lads through who think they've already made it, and lack the mentality to make the most of their ability. In my view, while it's easy to blame individual players, it's getting to the stage where it seems like the club is failing these young men somehow.
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Out of every comment back, I will respond to yours as it's the most reasoned, well balanced and genuine response.

There was a moment, can't remember what game (maybe spurs?) Where Rashford could have gone for a 50/50 yet didn't even attempt it.
That was the first time I thought that something was up with the man.
But not once did I think it was an attitude issue. Moreso, a guy who has been thrust into political realms as well as thrust upon a pedestal at United, even more so after Greenwoods downfall, is struggling with this pressure and possibly depressed with the situation he finds himself in.

You make a good point regarding the youth products, and certainly Greenwood is a massive outlier. But Pogba has won the world cup and by all accounts is actually a hard worker on the training ground. Likewise Lingard, and likewise Rashford.

They are the new generation of players unfortunately, the likes of Grealish and Foden have done similar to our ex youth players for example.

Too much too young is a possibility, but also United are well known to have not looked after their youth prospects in a mental capacity in the past, this is changing now, big changes have happened at youth level and players are being supported more so this culture will be changing.
 
mitchmouse said:
am I right that he got just four league goals last season? sorry, but that's nowhere near good enough. that's not a "dip" in form... it's bloody horrendous
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If I was a coach I’d force Marcus to play in midfield during training for a while. It’d force him to use his brain in football . As of now he’s useless in a dominant team and has only ever excelled in counter attacking situations.
 
Best piece of the transfer news ive heard so far this window. We'd be massive mugs if we don't sell him, this is the closest thing to daylight robbery!
 
VidaRed said:
Best piece of the transfer news ive heard so far this window. We'd be massive mugs if we don't sell him, this is the closest thing to daylight robbery!
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You're a bit late to the party, it was reported in several outlets that PSG is very unlikely to go through with this transfer.
 
Rashford's camp angling for that new deal. I can't see PSG spending more than 30M even if they are somehow interested.

I hope the board doesn't fall for this and give him a fat new contract. They most likely will though.
 
Strootman's Finger said:
This appears to be a contract negotiating tactic that has gone horribly wrong. Rashford's people put out that he might go to PSG, expected the fans to rally and the club to offer a new contract. The result, every poll I have seen has over 80% support for getting rid of Rashford. Now a player short of confidence is well aware that almost the whole fanbase would like to see him leave, and it's put United in a position where they have to offer a contract to a player that isn't performing and the fans don't want.

I don't see Rashford getting better after this stunt, I think it's going to get worse.
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Absolutely spot on, I couldnt have worded better myself. I do however want to question where this lack of awarness comes from... Perhaps his commercial value is really that high, but that begs the question to why...

Why is Rashfords commercial value so high? It surely aint nothing to do with performance. Is it close to Ronaldo or Rooney in comparison decades ago? Ofcourse its not fair to compare United during golden days when it comes to revenue, but whos to blame for that? There is a reason why its called the golden days and thats mainly because of players like Rooney.

Where Im getting at is I really want to dissect Rashford's "commercial value" because I fear the value is inflated and mainly based on Uniteds historic backround. I dont think Rashford value comes from the field at all. I doubt the value is even that high.
 
Master Yoda said:
Absolutely spot on, I couldnt have worded better myself. I do however want to question where this lack of awarness comes from... Perhaps his commercial value is really that high, but that begs the question to why...

Why is Rashfords commercial value so high? It surely aint nothing to do with performance. Is it close to Ronaldo or Rooney in comparison decades ago? Ofcourse its not fair to compare United during golden days when it comes to revenue, but whos to blame for that? There is a reason why its called the golden days and thats mainly because of players like Rooney.

Where Im getting at is I really want to dissect Rashford's "commercial value" because I fear the value is inflated and mainly based on Uniteds historic backround. I dont think Rashford value comes from the field at all. I doubt the value is even that high.
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Soon We will have no superstars left, Pogba left for free and Ronaldo wants to leave. The club want him to be the star, but he isn't that good on the pitch. He is PR gold off it
 
A predicament. On the one hand, Rashford has been very poor for two seasons but one could argue exigent circumstances — mateurush management by Ole and playing under injury. But Ole was nowhere near to be found last weekend at Old Trafford, Rashford was as fit as an American Ninja yet his performance extremely poor. We could cash in now and bring in a player ETH can work with, such as Antony. On the other hand, if we’re going to keep Rashford he’s going to demand a massive wage. And he might deliver. Or he might not.
 
lex talionis said:
A predicament. On the one hand, Rashford has been very poor for two seasons but one could argue exigent circumstances — mateurush management by Ole and playing under injury. But Ole was nowhere near to be found last weekend at Old Trafford, Rashford was as fit as an American Ninja yet his performance extremely poor. We could cash in now and bring in a player ETH can work with, such as Antony. On the other hand, if we’re going to keep Rashford he’s going to demand a massive wage. And he might deliver. Or he might not.
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Not really a predicament tbh, the wages he'd comment won't ever match the best football he's ever played at United. Selling him is a very easy decision except for the timing of it. Renewing him would be a terrible mistake
 
clarkydaz said:
Soon We will have no superstars left, Pogba left for free and Ronaldo wants to leave. The club want him to be the star, but he isn't that good on the pitch. He is PR gold off it
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We are all quite aware that the club WANTS Rashford to be the superstar but in reality thats far from the truth what people really want. Pogba is a superstar like him or not, Rashford doesnt have that X factor, its rather being forced upon us.
When it comes to Ronaldo, absolute legend but our only super star left is an 38 year old.
 
kouroux said:
Not really a predicament tbh, the wages he'd comment won't ever match the best football he's ever played at United. Selling him is a very easy decision except for the timing of it. Renewing him would be a terrible mistake
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There’s no guarantees it would be a mistake but there’s a good chance it could be. I agree with your post, we can’t have a player here that commands a big multi year contract just because he’s ‘one of our own’.

Imagine, he signs a 5 year, high wage contract and carries on performing at the level we’ve seen for the last 2 seasons. We’re then stuck in the same situation we’ve been in countless times with underperforming stars on big salaries. IMO it’s just not worth the gamble, if there is a genuine offer … take it.
 
kouroux said:
Not really a predicament tbh, the wages he'd comment won't ever match the best football he's ever played at United. Selling him is a very easy decision except for the timing of it. Renewing him would be a terrible mistake
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I’m not ready to accept the conclusion that Rashford is washed up as a footballer. Maybe he, but I’m just not there yet.
 
Volumiza said:
There’s no guarantees it would be a mistake but there’s a good chance it could be. I agree with your post, we can’t have a player here that commands a big multi year contract just because he’s ‘one of our own’.

Imagine, he signs a 5 year, high wage contract and carries on performing at the level we’ve seen for the last 2 seasons. We’re then stuck in the same situation we’ve been in countless times with underperforming stars on big salaries. IMO it’s just not worth the gamble, if there is a genuine offer … take it.
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No guarantees of course. We're all playing a guessing game. When I look at his ability and how he plays, I don't see a massive room of improvement in terms of decision making.
I could be wrong and would be happily quoted in the future. Even in his most productive periods at the club, Rashford was still a very frustrating player who would often run into blind alleys

lex talionis said:
I’m not ready to accept the conclusion that Rashford is washed up as a footballer. Maybe he, but I’m just not there yet.
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I sincerely hope you never get there thanks to his performances at Utd
 
kouroux said:
No guarantees of course. We're all playing a guessing game. When I look at his ability and how he plays, I don't see a massive room of improvement in terms of decision making.
I could be wrong and would be happily quoted in the future. Even in his most productive periods at the club, Rashford was still a very frustrating player who would often run into blind alleys
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Agreed 100%.

I stopped posting in Rashfords player performance thread long ago as my views on him, even when backed by better numbers, was heavily frowned upon.
 
lex talionis said:
I’m not ready to accept the conclusion that Rashford is washed up as a footballer. Maybe he, but I’m just not there yet.
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For me Sancho is the reason I’m not giving up on Rashford.

He looks just as clueless for us and has excuses given to him about systems and all - it just makes me believe that maybe a system is needed for more than one player too.
 
An Mbappe - Rashford partnership up top would be fascinating to watch tbh

Not to mention they'd have fecking Messi and Neymar behind them
 
If he goes there and actually shows up on the pitch then he’s a disgrace imo. Shown nothing for at least 2 years.
 
I don’t want to see him go. A year under ETH, without the shackles of a chronic injury, and we’ll have a very clear idea of whether he is worth keeping.

I can’t remember who it was but there was at least one poster in this forum who swore Rashford was already better than Giggs ever was and would have a better career. Clear BS but when he was playing well, he did get some of us excited.
 
What’s the point in selling them when have inept people like Murtough in charge of transfers. Any big fee we received would be completely irrelevant as it would just be pissed away on dross.
 
Would be mental to sell. We have no attackers and one of them is 38 years old and wants to leave. Could have made sense if we were in a better place but all of our attackers are basically indispensable right now. Concerned to see the links hotting up.
 
He should stay if only because of the state of the squad, but i also can't help feeling that it smells like an attempt at misdirection and PR by the club, maybe even with a new contract, definitely don't think they expected the online reaction to be happy to sell him.

Assuming the theory is true it would just show how out of touch they are not only with the football (lets be honest he is/has been dogshit) but also the fans.
 
Newtonius said:
He should stay if only because of the state of the squad, but i also can't help feeling that it smells like an attempt at misdirection and PR by the club, maybe even with a new contract, definitely don't think they expected the online reaction to be happy to sell him.

Assuming the theory is true it would just show how out of touch they are not only with the football (lets be honest he is/has been dogshit) but also the fans.
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He’s the most abused player - a very large portion of that abuse comes from United fans.

To be fair, United are probably too tight to invest in any social listening tool so they might be totally clueless on that front.
 
It is mental that some posters here considers Rashford not for sell, sentimentalism has blinded people. He clearly is a liability and we are making a steal if PSG spends anything more than 60M to buy him. Any wingers with market value of 60M plus are better than Rashford. No one with a sane mind can dispute that.
 
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