It only has legitimacy if you think the space MUST be filled by anybody who likes cutting in from the left and shooting, regardless of whether they're any good or not. Surely most scouts have moved on from Rashford long since.
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It only has legitimacy if you think the space MUST be filled by anybody who likes cutting in from the left and shooting, regardless of whether they're any good or not. Surely most scouts have moved on from Rashford long since.
Only for people who’ve never watched him play.
Poor attitude, disciplinary issues, questionable application, apparent aversion to physicality, aerial abilities hampered by an interminably reluctance to jump, rarely able to beat the first man, poor output the has contined for around two years now.
On what planet is PSG - or any major club - parting with major cash for that? Trying to impose Rashford as still some kind of major footballing talent in demand on the continent is an increasingly bizarrely endeavour that's utterly removed from reality.
On what planet is PSG - or any major club - parting with major cash for that? Trying to impose Rashford as still some kind of major footballing talent in demand on the continent is an increasingly bizarrely endeavour that's utterly removed from reality.
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Amorim doesn’t take any prisoners. This guy will either have to perform on the pitch or be booted out in the summer.
Near certain we heard this before ten hag came
It doesn’t.
PSG has also changed their tactics and want to focus more on «local» players rather than spending big on wages and fees to bring in foreign «stars»
They were all shite during the second half of 21 22. Literally, you could have sold them all after that season and I wouldn't have been arsed.
The singling out of Rashford is fecking weird.
So not the worst of them?
ETH’s problem was that he couldn’t see beyond the surface of that 30 goal season. In reality he was stinking up the place in most games, not tracking back etc. but kept getting late goals against tired legs, often against crap opposition in the EL/cups. In the league he was rotten bar a two month purple patch right after the WC.
I don't see Amorim putting up with that bullshit. He is neither young nor the poster boy of the club anymore. And everyone knows he isn't dependable in any form. Best case he scores a lot of goals and then gets sold when the stocks are high in the summer. That would mirror the McTominay situation from the past summer.
I mean sure, but Mourinho didn't take shit either and look how that worked out. Amorim will come at an advantage in that he's 1) better at publicly speaking about it and 2) the world has become smarter to know that Rashford isn't very good, whereas in Jose's time there was a lot more sympathy for player over manager.
Unfortunately I think this is the case too.
In the world of the transfer rumors, it absolutely does—easy story for the press. That’s not to say it was likely to occur.
If I recall correctly the rumors started in 2022–23 season while at the same time there were rumors of Mbappe for Madrid. Then last season happened which tanked Rashford’s stock.
So in other words, in the world of absolute bullshit it made sense
Yeah, read something yesterday (obviously no one can really trust the legitimacy of most sources
) saying that SJR & the powers that be still view Rashford as an important player for the club and want the next manager to help him rediscover his form. Something-something about preparing to offer him a new deal…but his current deal runs to 2028 I’m sure? So probably BS article anyway.I think he'll be sold in January - unless he has a total "road to Damascus" like change in his mindset.
He doesn't have the work ethic to be one of Amorim's "Pressing Pentagon" attackers - we've all seen his half-arsed tracking back and Ruben will see right through playing at pressing.
The only position he gets a chance in Amorim's system is to be the main striker and Hojlund does way more work in that position - so I can only see him coming on as a late substitute against tired legs if Hojlund is available. Attitude wise Zirkzee gets on the pitch ahead of him in that situation too but I can see Rashford being used to exploit through balls against stretched defences.
He almost certainly won't justify his high wages on the basis of playing from the bench so I can see a sale to Newcastle / Spurs if he is willing to take a wage reduction. I suspect he has dreams of a big move abroad but his displays will have put a lot of teams off going for him.
I suspect he will be the source of a lot of early rumours about Amorim being "surprised at the scale of the job" just like we heard about Moyes from disaffected experienced players at the time. The key difference back then was that the opinions were coming from serial winners rather than serial whiners!
It's good to know they were interested in bringing him in on a free transfer 2 years ago
There needs to be takers for him to be sold. There’s none in the market for an overpaid lazy winger.
Im not trying to be skeptical. But we have seen time and time again with him. When the new manager comes he will have the form of his life. Then he gets a bit jaded. Then he starts putting out cryptic messages on social media. Then he becomes a shadow of his former self. Then the manager gets fired. I think if INEOS decided to move him on, they know when to. Wait until he reaches that top form. Could be this season.
Happy 27th Marcus.
I can read the tabloid headlines now:
“Rashford birthday party unacceptable after giving up two goals vs Leicester”
Heard this even more than that. And you can bet his PR people will put some news out how well he trains blablabla
You can set aside all the arguments about his technical abilities or limitation - depending your perspective. I don't see how any fan can have watched him over the last couple of years and not be absolutely raging at the unforgivable and undeniable, half-arsed performances he's barely phoned in. I just don't get why that isn't a red line for every fan that he crossed most weeks during these last couple of seasons.
If you were homegrown and an academy graduate the bar was higher than it was for anyone else in terms of what was expected in both quality, standards and workrate on the pitch. I don't understand how we go from that to basically having half the Caf arguing essentially that he should be entitled to saunter around the pitch because he's miffed at being asked to play askew of his first preference position, and anyone who has a problem with that has an "agenda". Never have so many supporters poured so much effort scrambling to find excuse after excuse for someone who has taken the piss out of them for the longest time.
If you were homegrown and an academy graduate the bar was higher than it was for anyone else in terms of what was expected in both quality, standards and workrate on the pitch. I don't understand how we go from that to basically having half the Caf arguing essentially that he should be entitled to saunter around the pitch because he's miffed at being asked to play askew of his first preference position, and anyone who has a problem with that has an "agenda". Never have so many supporters poured so much effort scrambling to find excuse after excuse for someone who has taken the piss out of them for the longest time.
He's not just good enough
It will be the same for Amorim if the football is as bad as José's. José caused his own problems and then failed to back his decisions up on the pitch.
If Amorim decides he doesn't rate Mainoo or Garnacho like José with Rashford and Martial, or publicly falls out with our Pogba equivalent now for attention, and costs us a European tie by throwing a youth product who's clearly not ready into the cauldron to make a point that didn't need making, and then proceeded to take a dump on the club itself, he better have us playing good football.
I don't think Amorim will be that bad, though.
Presided over the sacking of 4 managers now. How long the new guy lasts might just hang on how soon he realises Rashford needs to go as a priority matter and doesn't get fooled instead.
The man lost his place to Elanga, and I don't think anyone of us could have challenged that decision based on his performances. And it was clear that the reason was Elanga tried and Rashford just didn't.
The players were all not performing well, but dress it up all you like, Rashford particularly stuck out for a very obvious lack of effort.
Let's be clear, he didn't preside over 4 managers getting sacked. And he's not the only culprit.
But he's the only one - or at least the only one left - where it's not necessarily his ability that's the problem, but instead his attitude.
There are players there I don't think are good enough for United, and it's probably no surprise I put Rashford in that camp. I make no bones about that.
But none of them, bar him, has an attitude problem. None of them do you see sulking around the pitch, phoning it in. They might not be good enough, but by and large they give it a go.
The most egregious thing about Rashford is how he uses the goodwill automatically bestowed upon him as an academy graduate to coast and skive. Man's 27 now. 27 and we cling to the idea he's had a "decent" game if he puts in a cross or spends 15 mins doing some work defensively. We simultaneously stratch our heads wondering where it all went wrong.
Well problem is ETH did exactly this. He made them run the distance they couldn't be bothered to cover in the match.
Also u don't think the players were particularly lazy under ETH. Although Rashford is an exception. If laziness is what it is
I always wonder if there's a discrepancy between how he plays and how he trains. Maybe on the training pitch, without the pressure, without the risk of too much physicality, he's one of the top performers and that's why he was picked so often
I didn't say he single handedly cost them the job, but once you spend the majority of the time looking like you can't be arsed and doing close to nothing under 4 different managers who all end up sacked in the end, well, it's quite clear by that point he is not up to it. Of course, it's not his fault that he is being bigged up by media and fans alike to be this world class talisman when he isn't, but he has definitely made good use of that image. And I wonder how someone like Diallo feels watch Rashford start every time and being paid a king's ransom for it? The club needs to move forward.
What position of power did he hold over the managers? He didn’t force them to pick him as he has no leverage. Some of the crud stated in this thread is ridiculous.
It's fecking absurd.
People on here decided a while ago that Rashford was the main problem and are constantly pursuing this narrative.
Let's be clear. None of the players have consistently been good enough. But Rashford is the only one that has 2 or 3 threads a week criticising his attitude.The weird thing is he's actually played ok this season.
That weird Nottingham Forest fan and his shite YouTube channel has a lot to answer and how they have dictated this agenda over the last few years.
The arguments those who defend him often make are quite telling. More frequently now you'll see attempts to compare him marginally favourably to Garnacho. A player 7 years his junior who has played more than 300 fewer games in his career. That really isn't anywhere near the flex an increasing number of people think it is.
Yeah I don’t agree with the “he presided over 4 managers getting sacked” because all those managers continued playing him. That’s on them, and that’s without factoring in the odd 1 or 2 seasons he had a stormer and was a major part of why one or two of them actually performed well here.
Ive seen it mentioned a few times about some of our players having “guaranteed minutes” in their contracts. I’ve never seen it proven on here and personally think it’s a load of bollocks but could somehow be a reason for his inclusion? Alas, I can’t see something like that being legally enforceable either, right?
Some of y'all need to get a life man.... that much is evident
Yeah the “presided over getting managers sacked” is pure BS but I think truth is always somewhere in the middle. You say “none of the players have consistently been good enough” - which is fair and true, but if you dissect our starting XI its majority new signings and/or youngsters, so they will automatically be cut way more slack. And rightfully so.
Have you seen Bruno’s thread lately, as an example? He’s catching a huge amount of stick as well. Ditto Casemiro etc. It’s just that Rashford has been here the longest and is one of our highest earners as well. So he attracts a lot more attention. I think even Maguire has caught less criticism recently because his attitude and performances when called upon has been very positive.
If you factor in “other issues” on top of his form, like not working as hard or seeming as committed as he should be at times, I wouldn’t write all the criticism off just as an agenda. There’s some truth to it, IMO. I think I’m somewhere in the middle with all of this, but I really do hope he turns it around. Or both parties need a fresh start.
How you brother bear!?
He's simultaneously one of our most important, senior players who plays virtually every game and a mainstay in the team for many years and ?apparently) one of the top 5 players in Europe in his position - but also our performances have absolutely nothing to do with him and we all need to get a life. It's the others that are to blame.
I honestly don't get where this "getting 4 managers sacked" thing has come from.
van Gaal? A 17 year old who only played a few months under him, and helped win him an FA Cup, played a part in his sacking?
Mourinho? This was when we were still in our phase of having big names in the squad so I can't see him having more influence than Rooney, Carrick, Pogba, Zlatan, Mata, Smalling, de Gea, Young, etc. I still don't think I've ever heard that José had a problem with Rashford. It was more Martial and Pogba he seemingly took a disliking to.
Ole? He played through so many injuries for him and was generally one of the better players we had during his tenure. Especially the 19/20 season.
Even though I disagree, the only one that is somewhat understandable is ten Hag because his effort in a lot of games last year was atrocious, but ten Hag seemed fine with him. We saw that ten Hag had no issue dropping big names in Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Casemiro, etc, but he always played Rashford. I don't think he would have played him as much if Rashford was genuinely playing against him like so many claim.
van Gaal? A 17 year old who only played a few months under him, and helped win him an FA Cup, played a part in his sacking?
Mourinho? This was when we were still in our phase of having big names in the squad so I can't see him having more influence than Rooney, Carrick, Pogba, Zlatan, Mata, Smalling, de Gea, Young, etc. I still don't think I've ever heard that José had a problem with Rashford. It was more Martial and Pogba he seemingly took a disliking to.
Ole? He played through so many injuries for him and was generally one of the better players we had during his tenure. Especially the 19/20 season.
Even though I disagree, the only one that is somewhat understandable is ten Hag because his effort in a lot of games last year was atrocious, but ten Hag seemed fine with him. We saw that ten Hag had no issue dropping big names in Ronaldo, Sancho, Varane, Casemiro, etc, but he always played Rashford. I don't think he would have played him as much if Rashford was genuinely playing against him like so many claim.
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