[croadyman]

If Rashford pulls a Sancho, then all the more reason to bench him. It doesn't need to be a spectacle of a benching, but a quick timeout from full 90+ minutes duty to give him a break which really would be the reason for it. It's not as though we really need to punish him. He's just not getting it done and a benching would be a good thing for the man who turns 26 today.

I distinctly recall vastly greater players for us being given a game off here and there due to form and fatigue.

He had that against Palace in League Cup and we looked better,feel we need to see it for a couple of games. Think he could start on bench tomorrow but will straight back into lineup for Fulham.

 

[Hughes35]

Would agree, think is because his ‘footballing brain’ isn’t vary smart for the standard he plays. So whilst he has some great attributes, he lacks the wherewithal to apply them effectively on the fly and use those attributes effectively on a consistent basis.

There was a passage of play on Sunday where Rasmus was breaking towards *’s goal and Marcus was free. Marcus then made a run that effectively blocked himself off from a pass then proceeded to flap his arms about like Bruno when he didn’t get the ball. His lack of football intelligence blocked him off, it was a really dumb run.

Someone with actual football intelligence, like Cavani for example, would more likely have made an run that gave Rasmus the opportunity to put him through.

Boiled down, he’s basically ‘fast kid’ or ‘big kid’ at school who gets in the football team for attributes other than his football ability.

Exactly this. He's quick, pretty strong, can kick a ball hard and has some tricks. That's not enough to be a top level player.

It's been obvious for years. People get too hung on on purple patches and that he is fun on games like Fifa.

 

[clarkydaz]

Exactly this. He's quick, pretty strong, can kick a ball hard and has some tricks. That's not enough to be a top level player.

It's been obvious for years. People get too hung on on purple patches and that he is fun on games like Fifa.

he's not even strong, has the fight of a wet blanket. Has pace when open grass infront of him

 

[croadyman]

he's not even strong, has the fight of a wet blanket. Has pace when open grass infront of him

Hearing Goldstein defended him to the hilt on Talksport was quite nauseating

 

[red.knight]

Rashfords 21/22 season he scored 5 goals in 32, the prior season he had 11 in 37 games, and this season he's back to the same pattern of normalcy, one goal from 13 games. If you want to know the problem with man United then rewarding someone with a 300k contract for one good season in 4 shows exactly what is wrong with the club. You take Salah for example he consistently scores 20+ a season for the past 7 and he is on slightly higher wage due to his experience.

 

[Blood Mage]

A West Ham level player who occasionally has brilliant purple patches, nothing more.

 

[DJ_21]

Seriously why do you care? He was pictured in a nightclub on an evening where he’s not working. Are footballers not allowed to have a social or private life? Or are they only allowed one when they’re winning? As long as he isn’t abusing his body (doesn’t look like it to look at his physique), battling an addiction issue or getting up to anything unsavoury or illegal, what’s the problem?

Are you joking? What kind of world are you living in. Would you go out on the p*ss when you’ve just lost a game to your rivals? He’s gonna be turning up to training the next day and won’t be able to give 100%. Fans who care about his performances and the team performances will be ashamed of it. You obviously don’t care that he’s been our worse player this season and he’s going out getting hammered…

 

[Irwin99]

I'd be interested to see his running stats because i thought his effort was fine against City and yet people are claiming he was lazy again. I thought the problem was, as usual, there really wasn't a lot of quality on show from his performance.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

Are you joking? What kind of world are you living in. Would you go out on the p*ss when you’ve just lost a game to your rivals? He’s gonna be turning up to training the next day and won’t be able to give 100%. Fans who care about his performances and the team performances will be ashamed of it. You obviously don’t care that he’s been our worse player this season and he’s going out getting hammered…

Do you know if he "went on the p*ss"? One can partying without drinking too much or even no alcohol you know....

 

[Snow]

Do you know if he "went on the p*ss"? One can partying without drinking too much or even no alcohol you know....

Not even partying. Just showing up to an event which was probably a birthday party held at a club. It's not the norm these days that footballers drink. I mean I know there's Maguire and Grealish but if a player of his status gets pissed we'd know about it by know considering the social media.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

I'd be interested to see his running stats because i thought his effort was fine against City and yet people are claiming he was lazy again. I thought the problem was, as usual, there really wasn't a lot of quality on show from his performance.

Yeah that would be interesting. I also thought that his workrate improved quite a lot since that Brighton Game at home where it was a disgrace. But still people come to this thread after every match and call him lazy. "Lazy, selfish, doesn't pass the ball"...irrelevant of the performance he just had, people spout these narratives after every game at the moment.

I for one can see a player short of confidence and out of form, who tries his best to get into form again, while adapting his game a bit into a supporting role for his new striking partner. But with half of his own fanbase on his back and a disfunctional Team on every edge of the pitch quite a difficult task.
The hate he receives on Social Media in comment sections is really something else. And you can 100% see that it's affecting him mentally.

I really think we have an awful fanbase. Not the matchgoing fans, they are usually brilliant, especially away. But the Social Media Fanbase is just awful. Absolutely no support when a player needs it.

 

[arthurka]

The absolute state of this guy, I am embarrassed for him and I ain't getting paid for it. He needs to be benched asap, he will be the end of this manager.

 

[roseguy64]

It certainly was. I reckon since Jan 21 to now we've seen three months good form. I'm not particularly annoyed at Rashford. It happens. He's been playing full on since he was 18 and some players simply lose their drive after seven or so years. It's clear as day that's what's happened.

I'm more annoyed at the managers and club for being so defferential to him. Allowing his PR to control his selection.

@AFC NimbleThumb
@roseguy64

I remember you two being very "thank god you're not in charge" when I suggested we shouldn't go crazy with his contract.

Any follow up now?

No?

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Yeah that would be interesting. I also thought that his workrate improved quite a lot since that Brighton Game at home where it was a disgrace. But still people come to this thread after every match and call him lazy. "Lazy, selfish, doesn't pass the ball"...irrelevant of the performance he just had, people spout these narratives after every game at the moment.

I for one can see a player short of confidence and out of form, who tries his best to get into form again, while adapting his game a bit into a supporting role for his new striking partner. But with half of his own fanbase on his back and a disfunctional Team on every edge of the pitch quite a difficult task.
The hate he receives on Social Media in comment sections is really something else. And you can 100% see that it's affecting him mentally.

I really think we have an awful fanbase. Not the matchgoing fans, they are usually brilliant, especially away. But the Social Media Fanbase is just awful. Absolutely no support when a player needs it.

Yeah, I agree. He has been putting more of a shift in recently. His performances have not been good overall and his demeanour can be infuriating. But the scale of the pile on he’s getting (which he is surely aware of, as a bloke who knows well how to use social media) is fecking madness. It makes his struggles for form self perpetuating. The “fans” have done their best to stamp whatever trace of confidence he has left into the dirt. Well done all. Great job.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Going by some top reds on here, one would think he has been short of confidence for the entirety of his career except for 3 months during last season. Sorry but some of us prefer to see it how it is not blindfold ourselves thinking he is some WC player that scores 30 goals every other season. His body language definitely suggests that he thinks that.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Going by some top reds on here, one would think he has been short of confidence for the entirety of his career except for 3 months during last season. Sorry but some of us prefer to see it how it is not blindfold ourselves thinking he is some WC player that scores 30 goals every other season. His body language definitely suggests that he thinks that.

Not sure who you’re calling a top red but would you accept the possibility that a footballer can be responsible for playing badly and get stuck even deeper into a rut because a load of assholes online are singling them out for relentless abuse?

 

[Ludens the Red]

Yeah, I agree. He has been putting more of a shift in recently. His performances have not been good overall and his demeanour can be infuriating. But the scale of the pile on he’s getting (which he is surely aware of, as a bloke who knows well how to use social media) is fecking madness. It makes his struggles for form self perpetuating. The “fans” have done their best to stamp whatever trace of confidence he has left into the dirt. Well done all. Great job.

Yeah that would be interesting. I also thought that his workrate improved quite a lot since that Brighton Game at home where it was a disgrace. But still people come to this thread after every match and call him lazy. "Lazy, selfish, doesn't pass the ball"...irrelevant of the performance he just had, people spout these narratives after every game at the moment.

I for one can see a player short of confidence and out of form, who tries his best to get into form again, while adapting his game a bit into a supporting role for his new striking partner. But with half of his own fanbase on his back and a disfunctional Team on every edge of the pitch quite a difficult task.
The hate he receives on Social Media in comment sections is really something else. And you can 100% see that it's affecting him mentally.

I really think we have an awful fanbase. Not the matchgoing fans, they are usually brilliant, especially away. But the Social Media Fanbase is just awful. Absolutely no support when a player needs it.

If you’re a modern day footballer in the PL and you’re still incapable of shrugging off the online criticism and getting on with things then I’m afraid you probably don’t have the mental fortitude to play for a PL club let alone Manchester United. I always find posts like this a little strange because for all the criticism there is, when things are going well there is an absolute plethora of support and praise . Of course the criticism shouldn’t be personal/racist etc but criticism of his performances , effort and demeanour are part and parcel.

the thing is this is all irrelevant anyway because we know Rashford doesn’t even manage his social media accounts. Not all players sit through their comments sections. Many have admitted to never going on it anyway because they know what it’s like.

And here we are blaming Instagram and Twitter comments on Marcus Rashford losing form and confidence. How ridiculous does that even sound to say?
We had players like Beckham and Ronaldo become public enemies far worse than anything Rashford has ever received. They puffed their chests out and put in POTY level performances. Meanwhile Marcus Rashford shrivels into a limp of a man became some people said some mean stuff on social media .

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If you’re a modern day footballer in the PL and you’re still incapable of shrugging off the online criticism and getting on with things then I’m afraid you probably don’t have the mental fortitude to play for a PL club let alone Manchester United. I always find posts like because for all the criticism there is, when things are going well there is an absolute plethora of support and praise . Of course the criticism shouldn’t be personal/racist etc but criticism of his performances , effort and demeanour are part and parcel.

the thing is this is all irrelevant anyway because we know Rashford doesn’t even manage his social media accounts. Not all players sit through their comments sections. Many have admitted to never going on it anyway because they know what it’s like.

And here we are blaming Instagram and Twitter comments on Marcus Rashford losing form and confidence. How ridiculous does that even sound to say?

I’m going with “not ridiculous at all” please, Bob.

 

[Ludens the Red]

Out of interest I went on his Instagram and here are the comments from the last post he made

Overpaid, overhyped and overrated

Bro where’s your apology letter after the City defeat

Ignore the haters Marcus you will find your form again and just like onana and Maguire did last night shut the haters up

Defenders worse nightmare

Hating on a footballer when you can’t even play ball is a crazy concept

You should retire from football

Focus on improving not this

And a few of many encouraging comments

Focus on encouraging and not always criticising

Keep ya head up Marcus I know you gonna be unstoppable soon

Keep on pushing you are one of the best players in the world

I mean is this what’s meant to be breaking Marcus Rashford? This is the “hate”?

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Not sure who you’re calling a top red but would you accept the possibility that a footballer can be responsible for playing badly and get stuck even deeper into a rut because a load of assholes online are singling them out for relentless abuse?

At point do you think should fans criticize the highest earner at the club for his embarrassing performances? I guess never?

 

[Swiss_Red89]

If you’re a modern day footballer in the PL and you’re still incapable of shrugging off the online criticism and getting on with things then I’m afraid you probably don’t have the mental fortitude to play for a PL club let alone Manchester United. I always find posts like this a little strange because for all the criticism there is, when things are going well there is an absolute plethora of support and praise . Of course the criticism shouldn’t be personal/racist etc but criticism of his performances , effort and demeanour are part and parcel.

the thing is this is all irrelevant anyway because we know Rashford doesn’t even manage his social media accounts. Not all players sit through their comments sections. Many have admitted to never going on it anyway because they know what it’s like.

And here we are blaming Instagram and Twitter comments on Marcus Rashford losing form and confidence. How ridiculous does that even sound to say?
We had players like Beckham and Ronaldo become public enemies far worse than anything Rashford has ever received. They puffed their chests out and put in POTY level performances. Meanwhile Marcus Rashford shrivels into a limp of a man became some people said some mean stuff on social media .

I think it's different in Becks case as he was at least always supported by the United Fans after the WC98. He still suffered from depression in the 98/99 season as he hinted in his Netflix Doku. Unbeliveable mental strength from Becks to come back like he did in 98/99.

Of course in Rashfords case it's not as though as it was for Becks, not even close. But he gets a lot of abuse and critics from his own fanbase. And is currently made the scapegoat together with Bruno. This will definitely not really help him finding form...

 

[Red4ever27]

Taking my son to his first United match tomorrow and he is a huge Rashford fan. Any tips on how console him when
A) Rashford doesn't feature at all or
B) Rashford features, under performs again and is met by jeers from fans around him. .
He needs to be dropped for his terrible form, but it's obvious ETH has an over dependence on him being our main threat going forward, and when he's on form you have to say he is. Shame that form is consistently inconsistent.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

At point do you think should fans criticize the highest earner at the club for his embarrassing performances? I guess never?

Spew your guts on here. Don’t let me stop you. I’m specifically talking about the arseholes who take it upon themselves to post hateful shit targetting individuals on social media. Never made any sense to me. Especially when these people would consider themselves fans of the club he plays for. Such a brain dead thing to do.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Spew your guts on here. Don’t let me stop you. I’m specifically talking about the arseholes who take it upon themselves to post hateful shit targetting individuals on social media. Never made any sense to me. Especially when these people would consider themselves fans of the club he plays for. Such a brain dead thing to do.

The world is not ideal and will never be. You will see those arseholes vent abuse on treble winners or even world cup winners. You can't control that. Other players are able to deal with it so why cant Rashford?

 

[ToToMarshall]

Are you joking? What kind of world are you living in. Would you go out on the p*ss when you’ve just lost a game to your rivals? He’s gonna be turning up to training the next day and won’t be able to give 100%. Fans who care about his performances and the team performances will be ashamed of it. You obviously don’t care that he’s been our worse player this season and he’s going out getting hammered…

You don’t know that he was drinking, you’re just making assumptions to justify whatever feelings you have about Rashford and his commitment to United. Footballers are allowed to be human beings, and they’re allowed to have lives outside the sport - and when done sensibly it will have very little impact on their ability to turn up and kick a ball the next day. No amount of childish feelings of entitlement to their time and expectations of them to live, breathe, bleed, sweat, piss and shite football and Manchester United every waking second of their 15-ish year career will change that.

 

[DJ_21]

You don’t know that he was drinking, you’re just making assumptions to justify whatever feelings you have about Rashford and his commitment to United. Footballers are allowed to be human beings, and they’re allowed to have lives outside the sport - and when done sensibly it will have very little impact on their ability to turn up and kick a ball the next day. No amount of childish feelings of entitlement to their time and expectations of them to live, breathe, bleed, sweat, piss and shite football and Manchester United every waking second of their 15-ish year career will change that.

And that’s why we’re in such a shite state at the minute… Discipline has gone. I remember Fergie banning a player because he went out partying after losing to city and nearly costing us the title. Look at it whichever way you want but there is no chance that Rashford is committed to us as he once were. Once he got that massive new contract that was his goal. Now he’s back to being his usual self. Go out and celebrate after a win yes but after a loss…

 

[Pronewbie]

Rashfords 21/22 season he scored 5 goals in 32, the prior season he had 11 in 37 games, and this season he's back to the same pattern of normalcy, one goal from 13 games. If you want to know the problem with man United then rewarding someone with a 300k contract for one good season in 4 shows exactly what is wrong with the club. You take Salah for example he consistently scores 20+ a season for the past 7 and he is on slightly higher wage due to his experience.

Yup it started with Woody's Disneyland nonsense and we continue to buy into our own hype. Even our wage negotiation for new players is sus.

 

[M Bison]

https://x.com/talksport/status/1719454193503949154?s=46&t=5fcYrP8BG2yNzXP6B_ugPg

I’m with this caller. Put Rashford in City’s side and he’d be class. Our problems are deeper than 1 player, put any player in our team and they’d decline rapidly, issue is the club not Rashford imo.

 

[Ludens the Red]

I think it's different in Becks case as he was at least always supported by the United Fans after the WC98. He still suffered from depression in the 98/99 season as he hinted in his Netflix Doku. Unbeliveable mental strength from Becks to come back like he did in 98/99.

Of course in Rashfords case it's not as though as it was for Becks, not even close. But he gets a lot of abuse and critics from his own fanbase. And is currently made the scapegoat together with Bruno. This will definitely not really help him finding form...

As stated, even if we entertain the idea that Marcus Rashford sits down going through his Twitter and Instagram feed all day checking comments, he would see that he has plenty of support and backing from United fans (I’ve managed to scroll through no more than 30 comments to find a number of positive ones).
If he chooses to ignore that and focus on the negative comments and then loses confidence and puts out stinking performances then I’m afraid Marcus rashford should probably retire from football.

The reality is it’s a nonsense, this obviously isn’t happening. He’s not on Instagram or Twitter going through hundreds of comments because he isn’t a moron.
At most Rashford will see the criticism being received by pundits and that may effect him. We know footballers watch analysis etc. Even then Rashford is not a player particularly heavily criticised by pundits.

But again, when he was doing well I’m sure he was loving the praise. You have to deal with the highs and lows and deal with criticism when it comes.
Basically this is called being an adult footballer playing for Manchester United. If it’s something you can’t handle, you can give up your multiple million pound contract and all the limelight and go and play for another club.

 

[Dr Foo]

Back to the boom bust cycle here. Will be hailed as world class again when he hits the next purple patch

 

[Marwood]

Spew your guts on here. Don’t let me stop you. I’m specifically talking about the arseholes who take it upon themselves to post hateful shit targetting individuals on social media. Never made any sense to me. Especially when these people would consider themselves fans of the club he plays for. Such a brain dead thing to do.

With you on the social media thing but think it much more likely his own approach to the game has led to poor form and therefore low confidence.

It's not like this is guesswork. Any fan can visibly see him not bothering with the basics of the game.

 

[Gordon Godot]

https://x.com/talksport/status/1719454193503949154?s=46&t=5fcYrP8BG2yNzXP6B_ugPg

I’m with this caller. Put Rashford in City’s side and he’d be class. Our problems are deeper than 1 player, put any player in our team and they’d decline rapidly, issue is the club not Rashford imo.

He would be better for sure, but not sure Pep would sign him. His football awareness is limited, he doesnt keep the ball, his finishing is very unpredictable

 

[UpWithRivers]

Just a theory at the moment but I'm wondering if he simply just doesn't work well with Hojlund. I think Ten Haag has adapted Rashford's game to accommodate Hojlund instead of the other way around. Rashford has been sht but Im pretty sure 90 percent of Hojlunds chances have come from Rashford. They run into similar spaces. Hojlund runs more left channel and never in the right. Plus Rashford seems to be a lot wider than usual. I hope some pundits or Youtubers look into this

 

[SilentWitness]

He would have been amazing in that City side that played with Sane/Sterling out wide. That's the perfect set up for him.

 

[Salford_Red83]

His biggest problem this season is the injury to Shaw, he covers a lot for Rashfords lack of effort going back and is very good support going forward. No wonder he's fell off a cliff edge again performance wise.
Which, to be honest is a real issue.

He's such an average (yes average) player who's had more than enough chances now.

Time to bench him and try other options because he just doesn't work for us.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Clever lad. Got his contract and reverted to his usual level.

Why do people keep saying this? He scored 5 goals in all comps, in the last 23 games of last season. He turned bad before the contract was signed.

Extending that run to this means since March he has score 6 goals in 36 games. Yet he is undropabble.

 

[Frank Grimes]

When a player is consistently playing poorly he needs to be dropped, happens at every level of the game (used to happen here too when we won leagues) but for some reason Ten Hag hasn't even entertained that thought with Rashford and some others.

 

[Laurencio]

On his day he's a wonderful player, but do we honestly think he is good enough to be the guy to build the team around for a top team?

A lot of noise from the manager and the club seems to suggest that he's a key player that partly determines how we will play going forward. I'm not sure his ability and production actually merits that. We treat him like prime Cristiano at times, and he just isn't anywhere near as good or as effective as he was. For one he isn't a very good central attacker, and doesn't have the ability to keep the ball effectively in tight spaces - which makes him less than useful as a central attacker. Like Cristiano he's not very effective tracking back, and needs other players to cover his defensive work and he's most effective in the attacking third where he is capable of causing havoc from the wing or with his movement in front of the defence. The problem is that all the thing's he does well, he does worse than Cristiano ever did, has less mental strength (who doesn't) and back then we had the team to support Cristiano's less than stellar defensive work - Rooney being key among them.

When Cristiano's defensive ability on the wing became a problem in big matches we went with a deep 4-3-3 with Rooney and Tevez out wide - two very hard working attackers who were excellent in tight spaces and allowed Ronaldo to focus on attacking. If we do this with Rashford he disappears, as he's neither skillful enough or strong enough to occupy that central attacker role. Plus, we don't have anyone anywhere near Tevez and Rooney's ability or work-rate in this squad.

I'm not saying bin Rashford - because he has a lot of qualities that make him a very good player to have, who can be top class on his day and will be a great option for any squad, but making him the player to build around seems very short sighted. He's not good enough for that.

 

[TheRedDevil'sAdvocate]

Just a theory at the moment but I'm wondering if he simply just doesn't work well with Hojlund. I think Ten Haag has adapted Rashford's game to accommodate Hojlund instead of the other way around. Rashford has been sht but Im pretty sure 90 percent of Hojlunds chances have come from Rashford. They run into similar spaces. Hojlund runs more left channel and never in the right. Plus Rashford seems to be a lot wider than usual. I hope some pundits or Youtubers look into this

I mentioned something similar a few pages back, although i don't think there's any big attempt to accommodate Hojlund. The latter seems to just "exist" in our line-ups currently, with very poor service and trying to outmuscle defenders on his own.

Having said that, and it's early days, he seems to have several aspects of a classic forward in his game. And this can create issues for Rashford, whose starting position is on the left but he always has one thing in his mind: to attack the box. When the spaces aren't there, he's forced into doing more "midfield stuff" which isn't exactly his strong suit. It should be in his arsenal, but it's not. Maybe these two will develop a better understanding with time. But, generally, it's quite telling that Rashford enjoyed his most prolific seasons when a) we basically had no one upfront and b) when Martial was leading the line, with the latter occupying pockets of space around the box (not making runs in-behind) and especially toward the left half-space, thus allowing Rashford to attack the box.

The right side is even a bigger problem because none of our attacking options seems comfortable in the right half-space, our main option for right-winger isn't good at taking on his man and making something out of nothing, our two RBs are plain but at any kind of combinational football and their runs off the ball are usually bad timed and brainless, and our main creator has his worst games in a more restricted role there (meaning, without a free licence to influence the game as he sees fit).

 

[MJay]

After how many goals scored will his embarrassing celebration make a comeback?

A bit silly to create a celebration highlighting your mental strength and proceed to show a complete lack of it the next season.