I love the lad and we’d all kill to have a homegrown Manchester boy smashing it at United, but perhaps it clouds our judgement. The question remains if he’s the guy to build a successful team around, and more and more I’m afraid the answer is no.
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Clouded is the right word. The standard that's expected of him to pass the 'played decent' threshold is on the floor. £350k a week and as long as he leaves the pitch with both boot laces tied, he's had a decent performance.
Funniest part of last night was Rasmus doing better than Rashford in his own position a few minutes after the kick off.
Got the ball and dribbled down the left wing with pace, using his strength to hold off a defender before putting in a peach of a ball that Bruno of course messed up.
Posting compilations of every touch that went badly and ignoring all the good stuff they did is pathetic tbh
Weird to call the tweet trash or the hate on “lowlights” when its very warranted for some players. Id guesstimate that Rashford had about 15-20 “moments” on the ball yesterday, more than half of those moments were bad but yeah lets just concentrate on the positives.
6 goals and 6 assists in his last 30 games.
I need to just put this and the Bruno thread on ignore. I dont see how anyone can convince me these guys shouldn't be sold and I probably cant convince the people that like them to see my perspective.
Utter nonsense. Jesus the absolute state of your posts in this thread. They're so fecking off the wall they make the sort of criticism I would regularly aim in his direction seem like gushing praise.
He played well last night. Take a break ffs. God knows there'll be genuinely poor performances to come when you can fill your boots.
Your standards are so damn low.
Cannot start against Brentford.
Rightfully subbed at 68 mins, earlier than ever before under ETH.
Rightfully subbed at 68 mins, earlier than ever before under ETH.
From the ones I remember, I'm fairly sure there are a few more ridiculous ones I'm forgetting.
- Mourinho broke him mentally when he had him fight with Martial for the left wing spot (because competition for places is apparently bad)
- Mourinho stifled his growth by playing him on the wings instead of striker (surprise surprise, few seasons down the line he keeps moaning that he wants to play left wing instead of anywhere else. Wait I forgot, he's clever not to do the moaning personally because it could tarnish this image he's building, instead he has his PR team plant the stories). feck Mou at United btw, before anyone thinks he was faultless.
- His fiancee left him
- He was depressed
- He was carrying a bad back injury for 1.5 seasons and its Ole's fault for not resting him. He valiantly sacrificed his back for the team so this buys him endless credit
- He was depressed x2 after Euros, couldn't get out of bed
- Team harmony wasn't good when Lingard and co were being toxic, this affected him to the point where he couldn't pass/shoot for shit
- His finacee left him a second time
- He prefers playing on left (proceeds to play shit most of the time on the left)
- He was angry he had to play on the right/middle and couldn't perform
- The team is terrible at getting the ball to him (in reality he loses the ball most of the time on the wing, the team" is set by default mode to pass to Rashford first thing)
- My favorite from a few weeks back, "maybe Hojlund isn't doing enough to get a pass from Rashford
- My favorite one from last night, "Bruno made him lose his concentration by being an extra option in a 1 v 1 to the point Rashford passes to the Gala defender coming from BEHIND him"
We used to do the same excuses for Pogba (can't play unless he has 10 WC players and he has to be left side of a midfield three with a free role and 2 runners around him collecting balls bla bla bla).
Amazing, players on other teams seem to have no difficulty being consistent for several games (with the odd mishap every other game) but our guys always have the excuses ready as to why they're consistently bad week in week out.
I get it, he's the poster boy and a lot of people have invested a lot of time over the years defending this guy because he's a club academy prospect and scores goals (cause he plays up front so sentiment is more in favor of backing him in the false hopes that he comes good).
However, we're starting to resemble 2000s Liverpool who used to rely mainly on 1 guy and base our team around him, pray he plays good on the day so that the entire team would play good (Gerrard). I can see the parallels (other than different positioning). If Rashford (Gerrard) plays good, Man Utd (Liverpool) play good. Trouble is, as inconsistent (hilarious for us) as Gerrard was at times, Rashford is so much worse at performing at a consistent level.
Precisely this, I don't understand why so many fans are scared for us to look to improve upon Rashford. If he is as good as they think he is then he will get more than enough games, but we absolutely cannot continue to rely on a selfish wide forward whose scoring record has not been elite level. Even if he was scoring at an elite level, we should not be banking on one guy staying fit and in form to score our goals.
As you mention, Liverpool always had these individuals they would rely on like Gerrard, Torres, Suarez, but rarely enough of them to consistently win trophies and definitely not enough to win a league title. There are major echoes of that with us now, as people both inside and outside the club, seem so obsessed with players like Bruno and Rashford being unopposed for their positions which just holds us back massively. The style of football we play in attempting to get the best out of Rashford is also not conducive to consistent, winning team football. Anyway, I'll stop now.
He's older, and has had more experience than Giggs, Scholes, Beckham, Neville had by close of play in the 98/99 season.
He has played as much Premier League football in his career as Roy Keane had by the end of the 2000/01 season.
He's played 368 times for the club. By the time he left us Schmeichel was only on 398. That young, developing slip of a lad.
RvN joined us in 2001 having played less than half of the number of club games Rashford had by the time he left hadn't come close to Rashford's 368 number but had scored 150 goals.
He has the same experience as Andy Cole in 2000.
Hojlund is about five and a half years younger than him and the side by side quality difference is embarrassing
You could go on. None of those players with their level of experience would get away with what Rashford gets excused as "decent". Not for one second.
He has played as much Premier League football in his career as Roy Keane had by the end of the 2000/01 season.
He's played 368 times for the club. By the time he left us Schmeichel was only on 398. That young, developing slip of a lad.
RvN joined us in 2001 having played less than half of the number of club games Rashford had by the time he left hadn't come close to Rashford's 368 number but had scored 150 goals.
He has the same experience as Andy Cole in 2000.
Hojlund is about five and a half years younger than him and the side by side quality difference is embarrassing
You could go on. None of those players with their level of experience would get away with what Rashford gets excused as "decent". Not for one second.
Thought the role yesterday tactically suited him and his performance wasn’t bad in all honesty.
It’s a shame he might be hard on himself thinking he was poor but the performance did not need a goal for it be marked up.
It’s a shame he might be hard on himself thinking he was poor but the performance did not need a goal for it be marked up.
Our only creative winger has been not only come off the bench twice, been publicly humiliated and subsequently banished from the first-team…
United should use him like England - a bench option against decent teams once they start to tire and an occasional starter against weaker teams. That is how Fergie would have utilised him. Unfortunately he’s ended up on huge money with various murals around Manchester. Our two “stars” (Rashford and Bruno) would not have made the bench in 2008 and would not be wanted by any of the big European clubs.
The only thing that's embarrassing is this paragraph. I have high hopes for hojlund but you're utterly thick if you genuinely believe he looks a better player than rashford right now, going on what we've seen from both up to this point of their careers.
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the first step is admitting there's a problem.Just pointing out where these players were with the same or less experience whilst we essentially still treat Rashford like a recent academy graduate we're just looking to give 90 minutes to for the experience. And that's fine but it cannot be accompanied with an insistence that he's a top player.
What did you think of the rest of his game? I thought Rashford was actually getting his head up and playing more like we need our wingers to play in this match. He's not very good at it, which is likely why he doesn't do it that often, but if he keeps trying he'll probably get a bit better at it. He made a lot more passes around the box than he usually does, instead of just trying to dribble 2-3 defenders every time he touched the ball.
Your repeated insistence on dreaming up fantasy scenarios, that exist only in your own head, as brand new reasons to criticise Rashford is so fecking weird. And it’s especially mental to do this about a player who has real life reasons to be criticised.
His performance certainly didn't warrant the outrage that followed on SM. He looked more active in some zones. People focus too much on his partnership with Hojlund. It is important and it can get better. But it's with Mount and the FB on that side that he needs to develop some synchronicity (if we continue with the 433).
He’s just a glorified Theo Walcott.
You must have been watching a different game. You write the above suggesting he was good. He wasn’t. He just wasn’t as bad as he has been. Certainly an improvement.
Rashford 1st half
2 early touches. Lost possession on both occasions
Slow to spot danger and track potential counter. Eventually decides to chase back
Doesn’t challenge for header
Failed dribble attempt
Tried stupid back heel deep in own half. Loses possession
7 mins in. A terrible start
Sensible pass on the overlap to mount
Beats offside trap and delivers good cross for hojlund assist
Exchanges few simple passes
Tried switching play. Loses possession
Dribbles into a you know what. Should have released ball.
Good decision again to pass to amrabat on overlap. Creates chance for mount
Brainless dribbling into a you know what after receiving ball from short corner.
Beats offside trap. Holds ball up well. Good pass infield to Bruno
Received ball in loads of space on left. Drives into box. Beats man. Ball in to box no real danger from the cross.
Weak touch trying to help clear corner. Loses possession
Beats his man in the box and cuts back for good chance for mount.
Wins free kick
Doesn’t challenge for header. WHY ISN’T HE EVEN ATTEMPTING TO WIN BALL AND COMPETE WITH TORREIRA. The ball is high and dropping on the edge of their box. he’s closest to it and just watches on
The difference is that Bale had thoroughbred physique whereas Rashford is actually made of wet tissue paper
I think Rashford needs to get better at decision making, but I also feel like its pretty clear he is working on it. The first goal against Gala is a good example. Marcus from last season would have taken the shot, but he didnt. He made a great delivery and Rasmus made a really good finish with his head.
Its been reported several places that Rashford and Højlund and working closely together outside of team training to improve their cooperation and I honestly believe we are seeing small improvements every game.
Yes Rashford hasnt been good enough this season, but the improvement is clearly there to see. Dropping him now would be a mistake. I would, however, try him out on the right side. He seems more inclined to pass when running down the right side. Put him right and get in Garnacho.
Its been reported several places that Rashford and Højlund and working closely together outside of team training to improve their cooperation and I honestly believe we are seeing small improvements every game.
Yes Rashford hasnt been good enough this season, but the improvement is clearly there to see. Dropping him now would be a mistake. I would, however, try him out on the right side. He seems more inclined to pass when running down the right side. Put him right and get in Garnacho.
That’s a whole lot of pointless typing. You could have just said he played well. Because he did.
The goal against gala is a good example of a situation where there is basically no decision to make, it's decided for him.
A tale of two "world class" attackers
Premier League 2023/24
Haaland - 32 shots - 8 goals
Rashford - 28 shots - 1 goal
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att
Premier League 2023/24
Haaland - 32 shots - 8 goals
Rashford - 28 shots - 1 goal
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_scoring_att
He's incredibly wasteful. Or "looks dangerous". Take your pick. If he takes to the pitch in the right outfit and doesn't commit a war crime before the half time break he's considered to have had a decent outting.
28 shots and 1 goal will be defended.
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Yeah that cross is more instinctual. And he clearly thrives more on instincts than when he has to pick his head up and make a calculated decision.
But I've said even in his bad times that Rashford going forward is still a player you can fit into a top side, provided he's NOT lazy out of possession. That's the key. Because even if he's a bit wasteful in front of goal he creates enough of a threat that it's worth having him there. However, you can't really fit him into a side with multiple other inefficient players. Too many of those and the lack of control will be evident.
Easy choice would be to start him on the right this weekend, and get garnacho in on the left wing. That and hojlund out front should really cause brentford some issues
CLub never learns, rubbish for a few seasons, has a golden 4months, gets a new contract very few superstars in the world are on....goes back to form of last few years.
Pro or Anti Rashford the simple fact is he is now on £375,000 per week, in seven years how many performances has he put in that are of the standard of a superstar player or a world class player out of his 370 odd appearances, I dont think its close to 60 but lets be generous....if he continues that consistency over the term of his contract, that is 1 performance in every 5 appearances worthy of a superstar.....a grat performance from Rashford is effectively costing us over £1.5m.
That is pure madness, bar those four months and maybe a couple of months in another period, that is half a season out of seven odd seasons he has been world class in his career here, a player with a high transfer value that now maybe only 4/5 clubs in the world cold afford.
My dream scenario would be Rashford returning to last seasons form consistently but from his career so far, unrealistic. Personally I hope PSG try to by him as the star boy to replace Mbappe when he leaves
Pro or Anti Rashford the simple fact is he is now on £375,000 per week, in seven years how many performances has he put in that are of the standard of a superstar player or a world class player out of his 370 odd appearances, I dont think its close to 60 but lets be generous....if he continues that consistency over the term of his contract, that is 1 performance in every 5 appearances worthy of a superstar.....a grat performance from Rashford is effectively costing us over £1.5m.
That is pure madness, bar those four months and maybe a couple of months in another period, that is half a season out of seven odd seasons he has been world class in his career here, a player with a high transfer value that now maybe only 4/5 clubs in the world cold afford.
My dream scenario would be Rashford returning to last seasons form consistently but from his career so far, unrealistic. Personally I hope PSG try to by him as the star boy to replace Mbappe when he leaves
I got hammered for making this point a few weeks ago, but it's as obvious as can be that the post-contract Rashford is a mere shadow of his former four-month-spell self when he was playing for that contract.
The club needs to learn how to admit mistakes and move on. There's no avoiding mistakes -- every one of us makes mistakes all the time. But to grow as a person or as organization you need to know when you've made a mistake and mitigate the damage from mistake. What you don't want to do in life, any aspect of life that is, is to make the same mistake over and over.
I had to block the posts of the guy weeks ago. It's all negative all the time. I don't think he posted once in here during the spell midseason.
It's so weird the way people on here get hate boners for certain players and then they just can't stop slagging them off, no matter what. Day after day. It's like an obsession.
He played pretty well the other night. Fantastic assist. Could've had another if he'd made a better job of the pass. But you can bet your arse that if he'd shot instead and not scored then he would've been absolutely slated for being greedy.
The point is, there's never any balance in these threads, they're just a slagfest. It's not about fair assessment of a players performance on a game to game basis. There will never be the equivalent level of praise given when the player does something good, instead there'll be all manner of reasons as to why it wasn't good really.
I don't even hate opposition players the way some on here seem to hate our own.
His last 4 year contract consisted of an exceptional Year 1, a very good Year 2, a very bad Year 3 (but mitigated by the fact he was returning from an operation) and a strong/exceptional Year 4.
This season things aren’t quite working but he hasn’t played badly in most matches. Even if he only kept up his current rate, he’d end the season on about 25 GA and he is currently not in top form, so you’d expect that to significantly improve. Combined with the fact he seems to be linking up well with Højlund, there are promising signs. Obviously, if our right side starts to be something other than a black hole of nothingness, that will really help as well.
Wow, nice, a totally pointless stat about two players playing in teams of completely different quality, that excel in totally different positions, shorn of any context whatsoever. What a waste of a post.
We havent though as we did exactly the same thing to a lesser degree with Fernandes and also with Pogba before a big contract was on the table
If I'm following the logic of what you're saying (strong possibility that I'm not), then the word "haven't" is incorrect placed as we actually did the same thing with Fernandes and Pogba. Didn't we also give Martial a contract extension? Jones too, but what felled Jones was a serious injury, not a calamitous and persistent drop in form.
His only exceptional spell was a similar period of time under Ole, lets not fudge things. We are talking about a supposed start player, exceptionl is a massive over egging. He hasnt had an exceptional season. Last year he was good the start of the season, exceptional in the middle and poor at the end....then again if you think continuing this season in the form he has shown isnt that bad then maybe our considerations of good to exceptional vary a lot. And the last game was the only signs I have seen at all of him linking up with Hoijlund well, of course it can happen in time but the link preceeding that game was near nonexistent
The year long stats for Year 4 are impressive but is it not true that he hit most of those numbers in the middle third of the season? He started poorly, had an outrageous middle third, then tailed off badly in the final third. At least that's how I recall it, but I have no means by which to validate my recollection.
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