[Oldyella]

Honestly people. Even when he beats a man on the outside brilliantly and cuts it back for a goal, he not only gets no credit but it's actually used as further evidence of his greediness.

Please just take a step back and observe what you're saying. It's the definition of an agenda.

Having a different opinion doesn't mean having an agenda.

 

[Cassidy]

Having a different opinion doesn't mean having an agenda.

Its an agenda

 

[Sky1981]

No way Rashford is a problem.
Greedy and ego with the ball, yes. A problem for the team, no way.

Without him yesterday we would have zero attacking threat. When the rest of the team settles and we can play our best team he Will shine again. To sell him would be amazingly stupid.

Meh. Without him but a proper LW we get more pressing, we lose the ball alot less, more movement, and more dependable attacking threat overall.

Brighton and many other EPL teams dont have Rashford. How do they cope?

 

[Drizzle]

Playing it and understanding it are very different. "Neck-deep in Rashford hate", why do you gotta be so dramatic ? Rashford has this tendency to overrun the ball and/or pass when he has no more possibilities. It's actually his trademark

People are absolutely savaging our best forward and trying to say a passage of play when he attacks the area, beats a man and assists Hojlund is somehow proof of how bad he is... And I'm the dramatic one?

Exactly. He got lucky the ball somehow found its way to Hojlund

A city or Brighton player does that and it's genius. Rashford (9 assists last season)? He's lucky, apparently.

 

[Bastian]

He's a tricky player, as is Bruno, the two best players he inherited.

Bruno isn't suited to a possession game and can't carry the ball, while he excels in a counter attacking setup with fast players ahead of him. And he is a workhorse.

Rashford is - outside of the one at Getafe - the most skillfull attacker we have and thrives in a counter attacking setup. But he is both lazy out of possession and seems uber fragile when going into any duel, mainly aerial ones.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

He did/does have a good understanding with Martial and normally Shaw off the left so he can do it. Hopefully he can establish one with Hojlund quickly but the signs are there though. My main issue atm is he shouldn't be seeing out a full 90 week in week out. At the best of times he's not good when it comes to off the ball defensive duties but after about 60 mins or so he's basically a training cone. Will say he wasn't as bad against Arsenal but Brighton it was shocking.

Yeah agree with you that he should be substituted and not play every game the full 90. He should run his socks of while attacking AND defending and as soon he's out of stamina, he should be substituted more often.

That's how it should work but then again, we are currently lacking alternatives (unbeliveable to say that in 2023 after the amount we've spent).

 

[Oldyella]

Its an agenda

So we should all agree about everything, anyone who doesn't has an agenda?

How ridiculous does that sound?

Agenda

Yeah agree with you that he should be substituted and not play every game the full 90. He should run his socks of while attacking AND defending and as soon he's out of stamina, he should be substituted more often.

That's how it should work but then again, we are lacking alternatives (unbeliveable to say that in 2023 after the amount we've spent).

There was a ton of booing for Hojlund coming off. Imagine how it goes if he takes off the only other player who looked like a goal threat?

 

[Cassidy]

So we should all agree about everything, anyone who doesn't has an agenda?

How ridiculous does that

If you are going to lengths to criticise a player for a good piece of play. I put that down to agenda.

I for one think he needs to do better in many aspects but criticising him for attempting to create a goal for his team mate is beyond silly.

 

[Frank White]

Meh. Without him but a proper LW we get more pressing, we lose the ball alot less, more movement, and more dependable attacking threat overall.

Brighton and many other EPL teams dont have Rashford. How do they cope?

True but they also have a functioning team in other places too. They don't typically have a midfield that gets bypassed with one pass or defenders that can actually defend or have wingers that are on sabbatical for off the field antics. Problems run deep at United but if you believe switching out one player solves that then fair enough.

 

[BootsyCollins]

Meh. Without him but a proper LW we get more pressing, we lose the ball alot less, more movement, and more dependable attacking threat overall.

Brighton and many other EPL teams dont have Rashford. How do they cope?

All other PL teams dont have Rashford, so i dont buy that argument at all. No other teams than City had Haaland, they still cope.

Rest of the post is fine. I get that people has issuses with Rashford and he can be lazy. What i dont get is writing him off when the whole team is performing badly. 30 goals and almost 10 assists last season is not something a bad player would get, and really not something a ”problem” would get either.

 

[Swiss_Red89]

There was a ton of booing for Hojlund coming off. Imagine how it goes if he takes off the only other player who looked like a goal threat?

It was clear yesterday that Rashford looked out of gas after 65min and with Brighton sitting deep, Rashford could have been of around the 70min mark for Garnacho imo.
But yeah, you don't take your two best attackers out of the game for youngsters and Antony Martial. But if Sancho and Antony get their act together, Rashford must also be rotatet a bit more. It will benefit him.
Otherwise, he is run into the ground and will look shattered by christmas.

 

[JG3001]

So we should all agree about everything, anyone who doesn't has an agenda?

How ridiculous does that sound?

Agenda



There was a ton of booing for Hojlund coming off. Imagine how it goes if he takes off the only other player who looked like a goal threat?

If you heard what the crowd were saying about Rashford (basically hurling abuse from about the 20 minute mark), you'd understand why they were booing. They wanted Rashford subbed, if anything it would have probably been cheered.

 

[Bastian]

Maybe reports last summer and this summer of ETH wanting another left winger which left everyone baffled have to do with ensuring Rashford does not automatically start and that way he may have to earn playing by buying into the tactical requirements? In the meantime of course Garnacho has burst onto the scene, but I can imagine it's not too healthy a position to have no one challenge Rashford for his position. I do hope Garnacho does that more and more, especially by being more disciplined out of possession.

 

[Asger]

It seems like Rashford lovers are happy United is an average team. Enjoy!

 

[stw2022]

If you heard what the crowd were saying about Rashford (basically hurling abuse from about the 20 minute mark), you'd understand why they were booing. They wanted Rashford subbed, if anything it would have probably been cheered.

Agenda pushing bastards

 

[Swiss_Red89]

If you heard what the crowd were saying about Rashford (basically hurling abuse from about the 20 minute mark), you'd understand why they were booing. They wanted Rashford subbed, if anything it would have probably been cheered.

Did they really wanted Rashford subbed or didn't they want Garnacho coming on instead of Martial?
Probably a mixture of both.

 

[zaafi]

Honestly people. Even when he beats a man on the outside brilliantly and cuts it back for a goal, he not only gets no credit but it's actually used as further evidence of his greediness.

Please just take a step back and observe what you're saying. It's the definition of an agenda.

Are you having a laugh?

He ran the ball over the line as he has done numerous times before and gave Højlund an incredibly awkward ball that he managed to score. I suggest you watch the match again and count how many times he did not pass the ball, effectively ruining chance after chance.

 

[RuudTom83]

With everything it's never as easy as we all make it out to be...why didn't he just square it! ffs?

But in recent history, Rashford has played out of position as a CF (because the clubs no.1 CF is never fit) and asked to play with a kid on the left and a player new to the league on the right, both of them guilty of being greedy/inconsistent...so as the experienced player, Rashford has to 'do it all himself' in many games.

Now Hojlund plays his first game and the chemistry/connectivity between the pair wasn't world class after 45 minutes...so obviously Rashford is shite and EtH needs to be sacked.

 

[JG3001]

Agenda pushing bastards

Agenda or not, the lack of effort/pressing did not go down well with a lot of the crowd, unsurprisingly.

However, he wasn't the only one getting stick.

 

[Oldyella]

If you are going to lengths to criticise a player for a good piece of play. I put that down to agenda.

I for one think he needs to do better in many aspects but criticising him for attempting to create a goal for his team mate is beyond silly.

I just dont personally think that was a good piece of play. His earlier cross was far better. The disallowed goal, was just something we see a lot of, him getting caught running a channel as the oppo dont let him cut in and shoot, which he tried to do.

If you heard what the crowd were saying about Rashford (basically hurling abuse from about the 20 minute mark), you'd understand why they were booing. They wanted Rashford subbed, if anything it would have probably been cheered.

Ah right, fair enough.

 

[kouroux]

People are absolutely savaging our best forward and trying to say a passage of play when he attacks the area, beats a man and assists Hojlund is somehow proof of how bad he is... And I'm the dramatic one?

A city or Brighton player does that and it's genius. Rashford (9 assists last season)? He's lucky, apparently.

Yeah you are, you think this criticism is sourced by hatred.

 

[JG3001]

Did they really wanted Rashford subbed or didn't they want Garnacho coming on instead of Martial?
Probably a mixture of both.

As you say, mixture of both.

They wanted Rashford subbed off instead of Hojlund, with Garnacho or Pellestri coming on.

Although I wouldn't resort to abuse at the game (I'll save the venting for on here), I felt the same way. He looked as if he really couldn't be arsed being on the pitch yesterday.*

Edit: *For large portions of the game anyway

 

[-Supreme-]

ETH isn’t afraid to drop big players as he has demonstrated at this club, his hands are obviously tied currently so he has to show more faith towards one of our star players in the team but I am confident that it will only be a matter of time that Rashford is dropped if it stays this way. Let’s hope Rasmus settles in soon and Garnacho takes his chance, with Mount and Amrabat coming back too will only increase competitions for places that will allow the head coach to shuffle the team and gives him far greater options than what he has to work with since the start of the season.

 

[Ludens the Red]

He’s the only threat we have during a game it seems. He’s the only one who looks like he can score but feck me his off the ball work is disgraceful. If this was Ronaldo he’d be getting absolutely slated by pundits.

 

[JeffFromHK]

It seems like Rashford lovers are happy United is an average team. Enjoy!

I think (part of) the United fanbase has a weird culture of forming certain "cult" or blind fanboyism around certain players, be it Ronaldo, Lingard, Pogba, or David Gea Gea, they seem to love the players more than the club (a bit like Trumpers loving Trump more than their own country).
To the contrary I find less City/Real Madrid fans prone to forming such attachment to their past saviors (Aguero, Ronaldo, Bale, etc). Ruthlessness breeds success. Spoiling breeds failure.

 

[TMDaines]

Lazy lil shit

 

[PSV]

Looks straight out of a Wordpad that.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

Lazy lil shit

Sprints are a weird thing to measure, you look at that and see Dalot and Shaw are far behind but I’d imagine the length of their sprints are far larger than Rashfords or do they qualify it by a sprint being of a certain distance?

Rashford for example could do 300 sprints that are maybe only 30 yards where Shaw Dalot maybe do 300 sprints that are 60/70 yards and maybe have to do more sprints at higher intensity as they might sprint forward then need to be sprinting back where as Rashford might sprint 40 yards loses the ball then doesn’t sprint back to get back in to shape.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

I'm pretty sure you're feckin wrong. Martial was injured most of the time and Ronaldo barely played and left in November. Rashford was our main striker last year.

Weghorst started 20 matches in a row after signing. So this is blatantly untrue. He played striker some no doubt but he was not “our main striker”

 

[Frank White]

Weghorst started 20 matches in a row after signing. So this is blatantly untrue. He played striker some no doubt but he was not “our main striker”

And how many of them games was Weghorst in that weird 10 position or whatever it was? For the majority of the season he was the main striker. He might not have started there but unless i'm misremembering he was the striker.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

True but they also have a functioning team in other places too. They don't typically have a midfield that gets bypassed with one pass or defenders that can actually defend or have wingers that are on sabbatical for off the field antics. Problems run deep at United but if you believe switching out one player solves that then fair enough.

Switching one player out: no. But building around flawed players is just as much of a mistake. And building around a player that simply refuses to put in the required effort is even more of a mistake.

Like I said before, you can deal with inconsistent decision making from an attacker if he works his socks off out of possession.

 

[Valencia Shin Crosses]

And how many of them games was Weghorst in that weird 10 position or whatever it was? For the majority of the season he was the main striker. He might not have started there but unless i'm misremembering he was the striker.

You’re misremembering. Weghorst 10 experiment was really only the Barca tie and maybe 1/2 other games.

 

[Em765]

For an elite team he really cant be your best attacking option.
Last year he was playing out of his mind but there is a lot to be desired about his overall play.
I would argue that to be elite as a team he would need to be your 3rd best striker.
Take the team Liverpool or City have had over years with Mane, Salah, Mahrez, Bernando Silva etc. He is not that level. Or like Vinicius, Benzema etc.

Never should have been in the situation where he is our main attakcing threat, he just simply isnt that level and thats not his fault.

 

[Frank White]

Switching one player out: no. But building around flawed players is just as much of a mistake. And building around a player that simply refuses to put in the required effort is even more of a mistake.

Like I said before, you can deal with inconsistent decision making from an attacker if he works his socks off out of possession.

How it the team built around Rashford?

 

[zaafi]

Lazy lil shit

Where is that taken from?

Also, how do you even begin to measure these sprints? I'm willing to bet that Mbappé has more sprints than Rashford, but he is still a lazy feck. Rashford nullifies our press and effectively makes it useless to press their defenders.

 

[RedStarUnited]

People on here thinking certain opposing players put in 9/10 performances consistently.

Rashford isn't even inconsistent. He had 1 awful season(a season in which everyone was awful).

He had 2 good seasons before that and another good season last season.

Does he have his flaws? Yes he does. He should work harder off the ball, but we've got other issues that are more pressing.

Ha! Unintentionally funny.

 

[jem]

Its an agenda

How so?

 

[jesperjaap]

So because of that you come in here and criticise him. Because some fans say some stupid things?

Out of curiosity which LW in the league would you swap him for?

So because of that you come in here and criticise him. Because some fans say some stupid things?

Out of curiosity which LW in the league would you swap him for?

No, I criticised the fans for over rating him, that is different. If I was to be criticising him, it would be that his work off the ball is simply not good enough and that he hasnt progressed in terms of the wareness of players around him in his career here.

Too early to really state Doku and DOku is actually more of a right winger, but he is more talented, I watched a fair amount of Rennes. Saka started on the left hand side both as a defender and then a LW, Grealish when we were linked people said wouldnt start for us...he would have, Foden sometimes plays o the left, Sterling, Son, Diaz, Mitouma, Neto, Martinelli. I am not saying I would swap all of them for him but thats jsut off the top of my head, players that are on the same level as him and a lot of them are more productive for the team.

Like I said, he is a good player, but bar those four months last season where he was world class, he simply isnt the superstar player he seems to be made out to be, there are lots of players jsut as good as Rashford, it seems to me the last decade has been so poor we yearn to build up certain players as stars when the reality is none of them would even come into consideration ito play in the best Ferguson sides talent or mentality wise

 

[McGrathsipan]

He's a tricky player, as is Bruno, the two best players he inherited.

Bruno isn't suited to a possession game and can't carry the ball, while he excels in a counter attacking setup with fast players ahead of him. And he is a workhorse.

Rashford is - outside of the one at Getafe - the most skillfull attacker we have and thrives in a counter attacking setup. But he is both lazy out of possession and seems uber fragile when going into any duel, mainly aerial ones.

Rashford and his mate Bruno being our best options is the root of the problem.

 

[Nicoseth]

Weghorst started 20 matches in a row after signing. So this is blatantly untrue. He played striker some no doubt but he was not “our main striker”

Again, bollocks. Weghorst played mostly as a 10.