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You’re kidding?
Has he missed a pen since that Euros final?
Feel like he's really good at them now anyway.
Feel like he's really good at them now anyway.
Decent game. Showed some good workrate/sprints, a bit quiet in spells compared to Garnacho but a great penalty.
Decent today. This is what his 'base' level performance should be, as worse as it gets: did basics right, few good moments, didn't set world alight, really good penalty conversion.
The issue is this is probably the best he's probably played in ages and social media reacts like he's just put on the greatest individual performance since Freddie Mercury at Live Aid.
He was decent. No more, no less.
The issue is this is probably the best he's probably played in ages and social media reacts like he's just put on the greatest individual performance since Freddie Mercury at Live Aid.
He was decent. No more, no less.
If he does stay, I think we saw again that he's better with a false 9 type allowing him to focus on runs in behind. So ideally we'd look like this if he does stay:
Option 1:
Garnacho-----Hojlund--------RW
Option 2:
Rashford-----------------------------
-----------------False9-Garnacho
Option 3:
Rashford-Hojlund-Garnacho/RW
I wasn't impressed. This should be his bottom level. Anything worse than this should not be accepted.
yea, maybe a little below decent. But his effort was okish. He just isn’t very good at timing run and handling offsides - which is a shame for a player who’s main effect was supposed to be lying on the shoulder to run in behind.
ETH needs to be fired for giving him minutes over Garnacho or almost anyone else for that matter.
They’ve both played for a large part of the season. Who would you have started instead?
There was a period of time around the 70th minute that drove me mad.
First, he did a half-arsed "jump" at the back post defending a cross, and he got nowhere near it and nor did he manage to put off his man, who won the header easily. Then I swear he lost the ball 3 times in a row in quick succession. Just simple give aways, straight back to Everton, 3 times in a row.
It finally ended with him complaining to the ref, after being easily dispossessed for the third time.
I wasn't as frustrated with him as I was with Bruno, so I guess that is a positive. But goodness gracious he could be so much better. Should be, even. Its very disappointing.
First, he did a half-arsed "jump" at the back post defending a cross, and he got nowhere near it and nor did he manage to put off his man, who won the header easily. Then I swear he lost the ball 3 times in a row in quick succession. Just simple give aways, straight back to Everton, 3 times in a row.
It finally ended with him complaining to the ref, after being easily dispossessed for the third time.
I wasn't as frustrated with him as I was with Bruno, so I guess that is a positive. But goodness gracious he could be so much better. Should be, even. Its very disappointing.
Two in two 
"Played well" for Rashford doesn't mean "played well" for anyone else on the same level some pretend he's at. Yesterday he did nothing awful. His effort and application maybe wasn't consistent, but this is what I mean.
Didn't look like an embarrassment, tried at least some of the time. That's the player's threshold for "played well". And that's the problem.
Didn't look like an embarrassment, tried at least some of the time. That's the player's threshold for "played well". And that's the problem.
This is absurd. There's literally nobody else to play.
Rashford played ok in an ok performance.
Can we stop with this ridiculous over analysis about his performances?
Can we stop with this ridiculous over analysis about his performances?
Played okay, a bit selfish at times.
He could end up as our topscorer in the PL at the end of the day.Two in two
If he ends the season stong and bags another 5-6 goals that would make it an okaish season from a goal scoring pov.
Casper the cranky Ghost yesterday
I knew after watching clips of Hojlund last summer he and Rashford wouldn't get the best out of each other. Rashford always prefer to play with a center forward who would come deeper to get on the ball allowing Rashford to play on the shoulder of the deepest defender, it's his strength.
Asking him to play a more orthodox inverted winger role like a Vinicius or Mitoma isn't his strength. He struggles at the basics of link up play, he doesn't have the level of close control or tricky to manipulate tight spaces to excel that way.
All in all I would like to keep him but the issue is he's on too big a wage.
He subs Garnacho but keeps him on, don't know what's up with that. Forson or Amad probably would've put in a shift.
Do those two players have a league goal between them? Would seem a strange decision to play either of them over Rashford.
In addition to our game this weekend, I watched the arsenal game and just finished watching city vs liverpool. We are really wasting time with marcus. His low level of energy and selfishness most of time will keep holding us back. Players like salah, diaz, saka, foden can play a high intense match for 90 minutes. Marcus can never do that, he lacks the skill and passion to do that. He’ll make a run, useless run, lose the ball and watch opposition players run past him afterwards. Very frustrating
I get what you're saying, but Rashford can't win on here.
For all Diaz' bluster and running, Liverpool didn't win the game because he missed 2 or 3 great chances.
Rashford would get crucified for Diaz' performance today, regardless of the effort.
Very true. He'd be getting slaughtered.
And to add, Foden was invisible today too.
But Rashford is generally regarded as a better player and has a way bigger profile. Again, i feel it's the expectations with Rashford. We want him to be an elite player, more than just a very good one on his day, and he's effectively been made the star player of the team with his wages and performances last season (also local lad and all that).
I think Rashford has been playing generally a lot better lately and after the horrible season he's put in i'd be reasonably ok with him performing at this level until the end of the season but i think it's ok to expect and want a bit more from your best player, or best attacking player at any rate. It hasn't been good enough this season and it wasn't in season 21-22 either.
Lockdown Martial is the best partner for Rashford.
You’re right, diaz missed at times he should’ve taken advantage of chances against a city team which rarely gives aways those. However, i Can’t imagine rashford putting an effort close to what diaz did. The point is, it’s easier to coach diaz to slow down and place a ball into the back of a net than getting rashford excited about a football match.
No I can't imagine him putting a shift in like that either, but I think my point still stands.
Rashford could have put in a carbon copy of Diaz' performance and still get slated. Not defending him, just stating the obvious.
I mean yeah any attacker for any big club that misses multiple sitters in a huge game will get slated. That's not specific to rashford.
It's not clear what point you're trying to make here. You'll have no trouble finding Caf posters willing to criticize Rashford for not scoring even with 100% effort off the ball. That's not an acceptable excuse for Rashford refusing to put in even 20% effort off the ball.
I never alluded to any excuse existing for Rashford putting in a poor effort off the ball.
Just thought it was an odd way to criticise Rashford by using Diaz' performance today as an example, when we know full well people would have slated his end product if he had those misses.
Thought it was a fairly straightforward point.
Yeah but the original post I replied to wasn't criticising Diaz, but using his performance as evidence of why we are wasting time with Rashford?
People over index on his goal return and ignore all aspects of general play unfortunately. Not right at this very moment but for me he's basically a slightly better Theo Walcott. That's totally fine and we need guys like that, just not on 400k p/w and as a star player for our squad.
Feels like Hojlund hasn't gelled well at all with Rashford or Bruno. With Bruno, it might be a case of them needing more time together since we saw a lot of nice layoffs from Hojlund the last month or so before he got hurt, though still not a ton of the reverse (Bruno to Hojlund), but with Rashford it's tough not to look at how he was better with more of a false 9 like Martial (as you alluded to) and struggled with an aging Cristiano or any other #9 really. I think he'll make the England squad despite his struggles this season for the 2 reasons being he's right-footed (and Foden will be strong cover on the right behind Saka even as he starts at LW) and that Kane does like to drop off. That would have been a rare #9 who can score goals and maybe not hurt Rashford's play, though as Kane ages he'll probably drop deep less for the simple reason that a #9 who doesn't create much but score goals is better than Kane struggling to get into the box to finish off moves like Martial has (wasn't pace, just didn't have that poacher/dog in him).
We might have no more talent but a more stable side in a few years if we add the right winger to go with Hojlund and Garnacho and the right 2 midfielders to go with Mainoo, assuming we play a fairly standard 4 at the back formation, though I guess there's also the possibility of being a 3-5-2 side like this:
------------Garnacho-Hojlund-----------
-------Mainoo------DM-------Mount----
LB----Licha----CB-----RCB---------Dalot
and looking more like the Inter sides have lately.
Though I don't really see Garnacho being big enough to play centrally, even off of Hojlund, so it's probably about finding a star winger (I can't believe Sancho hasn't worked out, and on top of that the replacement in Antony also failed) and 2 quality midfielders and a partner for Licha.
So yeah, I think we're more likely to accept a serious offer for Rashford because the attack will now be built around Hojlund (and to a less extent Garnacho though I think he's pretty plug and play on either wing for now, maybe we'll have a clearer sense in 2-3 years, I wouldn't have thought his numbers would be stronger on the right than the left going into this season, though I think that is the sort of development you err on the side of hoping is real despite the small sample and slight counter-intuitiveness of it since we're more likely to get a quality LW than a RW simply because there are more of them out there).
In any case, it feels like it's down to PSG making a massive offer, as the only alternative I can think of is Barcelona offering us a swap of some kind (Raphinha making the most sense, though De Jong is a whole other issue/question). Too many variables. He wants to stay, so I'd lean towards him likely staying, but if there's a new manager then it'll probably be up to him either wanting him and the size of the theoretical PSG or other offer. He does make sense though as an Mbappe replacement if they can't get Leao or Vinicicus. They have 2 numbers 9s (Kolo Muani, Ramos) who were costly, are young enough to improve but are not thought of as high scoring players but more all-around #9s, and with Dembele and a young Barcola out wide (and Asensio but that seems like a short-term thing), so adding a wide goalscorer in their prime makes a lot of sense. Could even see Rashford for Ramos + money swap if PSG are out on him and he'd be happy enough as a backup here. If we got 30M on top or so that would plug a hole and allow us to plug another like RCB or a #8 so Mainoo doesn't get hurt like all the Barca children.
I was suprsingly shocked when I saw him sotint back tracking an Everton player after a turn over. More than once even....pity it didn't last though
He does performative workrate really, really well. If he's been called out over something or suffered from press coverage that deviates slightly from complete sycophancy, he will work very hard for the first 6-9 minutes of the next match
Seeing Garnacho come to fruition, Rashford seems to lack vision and that eye for a pass. Garnacho just seems more rounded.
It might be a bit harsh but what Rashford can do is to run fast and shoot decent. Sometimes he dribbles well too, but he's not much of a team player overall I feel and the team needs to setup for him, not the other way around.
I like Rashford as a person, but the player might not have that much in him when he loses his speed. He's 26 at the moment though and on paper the next years should be prime years. Still got some good years ahead of him, but he really needs to be motivated and hit form for him to be a great asset - without that he's not much of use for us as a team overall I feel.
I hope we get someone like Pedro Neto in to compete. He's very much like Garnacho and they'd both link up better with Højlund.
It might be a bit harsh but what Rashford can do is to run fast and shoot decent. Sometimes he dribbles well too, but he's not much of a team player overall I feel and the team needs to setup for him, not the other way around.
I like Rashford as a person, but the player might not have that much in him when he loses his speed. He's 26 at the moment though and on paper the next years should be prime years. Still got some good years ahead of him, but he really needs to be motivated and hit form for him to be a great asset - without that he's not much of use for us as a team overall I feel.
I hope we get someone like Pedro Neto in to compete. He's very much like Garnacho and they'd both link up better with Højlund.
I don’t think that’s true. There’s a minority of our fans who basically hate him (and almost everything to do with the club) who would definitely slag him off after that performance. But the majority would forgive this misses even if he just worked as hard as Diaz. And if he combined that hard work with as many positive attacking contributions he’d be getting a lot of praise, despite the missed chances.
Before we start saying Rashford can't win I think he has to actually put that type of performance in. Then let's see how fans react.
The clue is in the thread name. This is exactly the place to over analyse him.
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