He's terrible. Our strikers don't score goal it's incredible. I have zero confidence when a chance falls to him or Lukaku.
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If he's a striker, I'd say he's a lesser Jamie Vardy - with the potential to be as good as Vardy, but not better. If he's going to be better than that he simply has to add more to his game and be much much better across the front 3 not just centrally (where he's not that good yet either).
If Sanchez performed like how Rashford did yesterday then this place would be ecstatic even without the misses on goals.
We haven't had a performance like that from anyone bar Martial this season.
We haven't had a performance like that from anyone bar Martial this season.
I’d like to exclude myself from this statement please, I’d be wondering why he’s not sticking them in the net.
Another striker and that game is 2-0 at least and if I’m honest honest, it’s over at half time. A good striker and it’s 4-0 but I’m going to kind to him and say a couple of the chances weren’t certainties. The game is about putting the ball in the net. If you get five chances and don’t put them in the net, you put your team under pressure. Of course you do. He’s done well a couple of times to get into those positions but there’s also a couple of chances where I’d expect him to be there and he didnt put those away either.
It feels like if he scored an overhead kick on Saturday, people would come on here and be all “hahaha you were all wrong all along”. We know he’s got moments in him but the consistency and the quality of his finishing is really poor. A couple of those finishes yesterday were really poor. That might come, it might not come. There’s plenty in a similar position who haven’t fixed that problem up.
For all the talk of everything else, we’ve it to be more clinical around the box. The number of times that Lingard, Rashford, Martial etc etc pass up opportunities by giving the ball away when there are players in better positions than them is so frustrating. It seems to get swept under the carpet and I’m really not sure why.
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This is what's important to me however - the lad is never going to be consistent under Jose because he is never a consistent striker for Jose.
Jose is consistent with target men in all his careers & to suddenly expect Rashford to score a goal a game after spending the rest of the season as a winger - under a team & tactics that is made to get the best out of a target man is not going to work.
Do you see Rashford the striker and Lukaku the target man as the same type of striker? I don't - I see them as completely different players requiring different set ups of tactics.
Jose used the same formation, same players like Matic, felliani, Martial as a winger etc etc in the same formation that Lukaku starts in and is expectant of Rashford to score goals never mind his lack of practice & game time in that position?
It is not going to work.
If Rashford and Lukaku is at City - Rashford is more likely to fit in to their tactics than Lukaku; and likewise showing as an example - Lukaku at City would require their tactics and players to significantly change position and style of play to get the best out of Lukaku.
Rashford was another individual yesterday with poor finishing but an individual attempting to do the work himself because the tactics got the best out of absolutely no one - until of course we started lofting the ball for Lukaku & Fellani and we were all suddenly capable of scoring a goal once again.
This isn't a chance and this isn't directed at you but this is not FM. Rashford can't be expected to score goals at his age and experience spending most of his time as a winger and randomly bought for one game as a striker playing for a team all built to accommodate one target man.
Rashford playing as a striker would benefit from a striker playing next to him to create passing opportunities and spaces whilst also benefitting from a number 10 like mata or even Sanchez who can occasionally put balls in through the middle to allow him to find times where he can find himself behind the defensive lines catching the defenders on the guard. An average match with a CAM behind two strikers is going to get much more chances than a single striker upfront with Martial to the left Lingard to the right and felliani as the upmost CAM when we attack. How can you not see that?
I'm personally not giving up on Rashford the striker until he gets a chance to play under a manager who uses tactics to get the best out of the players he has at his disposal rather than tactics that have previously worked for him using the same exact players he had success with before.
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Probably because all 3 are rotated quite often unlike far worse players like Lukaku playing all the time. If any of them had the same support from Mourinho they would be twice the player Lukaku is.
Think the problem we all have is that he's not developing. He's arguably getting worse. His decision making has not improved in the slightest, his control, dribbling and movement is unchanged, and his shooting if anything has declined. This is his fourth season now and the age argument gets less and less compelling.
I've already freely admitted the stats i used might have been wrong on the positions he played. Nothing wrong with the numbers that show he has the worst goalscoring record of all but one of our most used strikers though.
Should be an impact sub right now and not leading the line, as his finishing isn't good enough and he looks like the pressure/discontent at the club is weighing heavily and affecting his performances.
The bigger issue is Lukaku - he's our first choice striker and offers even less.
The bigger issue is Lukaku - he's our first choice striker and offers even less.
Rashford's final third decision is what let him down, but it's something can be improved by playing 90 minutes week in week out not playing as an impact sub. The difference between him & Lukaku is that Rashford knows how to run behind the defenders while Lukaku is too static and that's why Rashford got some chances to shoot. Keep playing him upfront for couple of games constantly without being dropped and let's see how he improves.
This stuff about Rashford being a CF is pure fantasy. He wasn't a CF at youth level and was used as a back-up CF because all our other strikers were sold under LVG.
The only way Rashford becomes a striker is either bulking up to not be so physically weak, or to develop his playmaking to be a second striker like Griezmann.
Rashford is not going to be a prolific goalscorer ever in his career. Calmness in front of goal is near impossible to develop, you either have it or you don't. Players like Aguero, Kane, Icardi had elite level finishing in their late teens or early twenties. These strikers have a huge amount of self belief and score in ungraceful ways to stop a goal drought, while Rashford is far too reliant on confidence and form to score.
The only way Rashford becomes a striker is either bulking up to not be so physically weak, or to develop his playmaking to be a second striker like Griezmann.
Rashford is not going to be a prolific goalscorer ever in his career. Calmness in front of goal is near impossible to develop, you either have it or you don't. Players like Aguero, Kane, Icardi had elite level finishing in their late teens or early twenties. These strikers have a huge amount of self belief and score in ungraceful ways to stop a goal drought, while Rashford is far too reliant on confidence and form to score.
He seems to have developed quite well in an England shirt though, and Gareth Southgate certainly appreciates the contribution he makes. If Mourinho was to be shown the door, I think we'd see a huge improvement in his confidence and his performances.
Apparently Southgate's obsession with Sterling has caused Rashford to develop. Rashford has scored 4 in 16 for England in 2018. Developed my arse. He scored a single goal during world cup qualification and not a single goal during the world Cup. He got one start in a dead rubber. Thats the exact same treatment big bad Mourinho gives Rashford, yet Southgate gets praised for it. Nonsense.
Looking half decent in friendlies is meaningless. Zero pressure to perform.
I seem to remember he scored in both the recent matches against Spain, and they weren't friendlies. He also seems to contribute more in general play for England than he does for us. He thrives in the England environment, where he is appreciated and supported, more than he does at United. I think the same is true for Jesse Lingard as well. They are the future, and that will become clear when Mourinho is consigned to the past.
Apparently Southgate's obsession with Sterling has caused Rashford to develop. Rashford has scored 4 in 16 for England in 2018. Developed my arse. He scored a single goal during world cup qualification and not a single goal during the world Cup. He got one start in a dead rubber. Thats the exact same treatment big bad Mourinho gives Rashford, yet Southgate gets praised for it. Nonsense.
Looking half decent in friendlies is meaningless. Zero pressure to perform.
I thought it was a positive performance, personally. The misses were annoying, but I loved how he didn't shy away after all those misses. He pulled off a few nice things.
You know those took the place of international friendlies right? They are glorified friendlies. Winning the nations league means next to nothing for these players except bragging rights. The continental and world competitions are where serious international football is played. Just have a look at the celebrations when someone scores in each of these competitions.
As for this suggestion that they are not appreciated or supported at United, its complete fantasy. It is impossible to know how the dynamic is unless you are a part of it.
Agreed. I feel like the reactions have been way over the top. He's a 21 year old attacker, he's going to be fecking inconsistant. I feel like people punish him for not being Mbappé which is a ridiculous standard to hold him to. How many 21-year old attackers are there out there who people think would perform any better than Marcus for THIS United team?
The only one for us is Rooney and we bought him. He was ready made and let’s be ones his all round game at that time is something Rashford would dream of getting close to.
He’s missed 10 1vs1s in a row and people just go on about Mourinho. I’m not currently a big fan of Jose. But this is Rashford himself who just isn’t the striker people proclaim him to be. We are never winning anything with him as our striker and same said about Lukaku.
Neither would start at our rivals. Why on earth would they be our future?
If Lingard and Rashford were our future then say goodbye to winning league titles because those days would be well and truly over.
You say that, yet both are regular starters for England. Also both LVG and JM have spent to bring new players in, yet I don't see any of these newcomers who are clearly better options than Lingard and Rashford, and certainly none who match them for effort and commitment.
Wow. Standards really are low for some these days. Both of those two have been terrible for a good while now and could easily be replaced by many of the squad members. In fact our best run of form this season was when Lingard was injured.
It is not the commitment and effort alone that we need. It is also their ability. Can you imagine the uproar if any Manager brings another striker to United? Even now there are calls for Rashford to move away from United to be able to play as the CF. They are saying Jose has destroyed him. The English commentators and pundits cannot accept that he simply is not good yet. I say yet because he may get better too.
When he missed every chance last night it was a good effort from him for trying. They cannot accept that he failed to even hit the target from all those efforts.
He simply is not good enough to lead the line in a top team. He is not an England regular and neither is Lingaard. They are all squad players.
When he missed every chance last night it was a good effort from him for trying. They cannot accept that he failed to even hit the target from all those efforts.
He simply is not good enough to lead the line in a top team. He is not an England regular and neither is Lingaard. They are all squad players.
Rashford has started in the last four competitive games for England. Lingard has been injured some of that time, so has had one start and one substitute appearance in the same period. He was a more regular starter prior to that.
The other opinion I gave was that nobody who has been brought in by either LVG or JM are better options for a starting place than Lingard or Rashford, which is a bit damning if you think of those two as squad players.
The fact that LVG or Jose has not better players is not indicative of how good or bad Rashford it. It is indicative of how poor Lukaku has been this year. Last year he was much better. Our lack of quality shows how bad our transfer market has been and how bad Jose has been in buying players. Rashford is half the player Kane is and no way is he going to start for England.
He is not better than Raheem Sterling either.
He is not better than Raheem Sterling either.
How can he be so confident for England yet so nervy for Utd? Best ask Kolarov.
Playing regularly for England is a good achievement but it doesn't mean that a player is good enough for us. I mean, Danny Welbeck has nearly fifty caps for England...
Also, there are better options here than Lingard (Sanchez and Mata) and Rashford (Sanchez, Lukaku and Martial). But even if there (hypothetically) wasn't, why wouldn't we try to get better?
This...They have to decide what he is and then give him a run of games. Mou goes crazy when Rashford doesn't finish as if all strikers finish every chance they get. Mou puts him upfront one game and then sits him. He's either a winger or a 9. Make a decision and let him play. He's never given a chance to get in a rhythm in either spot. Why is anyone surprised he's getting more and more inconsistent. Mou is destroying the poor kid. Mou has to go.
This thread currently reminds me of when DDG started. People used to praise his distribution a lot when he was under severe pressure after making a few high profile mistakes. What counts for a GK is clean sheets and for a striker is goals.
But like DDG then (hindsight), there is no need to worry about Rashford now. He barely has any confidence and needs to be rested. Build confidence and come back stronger.
But like DDG then (hindsight), there is no need to worry about Rashford now. He barely has any confidence and needs to be rested. Build confidence and come back stronger.
Midtable player. Speed and enthusiasm but nothing else. If he was at Watford not a single Utd fan would be interested in signing him.
Some say his greatest asset is his bravery rather than ability.
Arsenal wouldn’t want another welbeck.
Just looks like random words trying to debate a random point if I’m honest. I’m just talking about his finishing and the consistency of his finishing in a variety of different areas and positions. Couple of chances there that were on a plate for him so your point about him doing it solo doesn’t apply to them all.
Whether he’s playing as a 9, on the wing, at full back, centre half, inside centre, opening batsman or as a seeker, if he gets the chances like he did the other night, he needs to take them. Nothing to do with his position or his role in the team, total irrelevance. Those chances can appear and those situations can appear in any position in a front three or any other system. If an attacking player gets as many quality chances as he did the other night and doesn’t take them, it’s not good enough. End of. The rest of what you’ve said doesn’t have any link or relevance to him missing a variety of good chances in a football match for me.
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A few games as striker and people start writing him off. feck me. Although ideally, he shouldn't be a main striker for Manchester United; but the bar is so low, I'd take him 24/7 over that 'student of the game'.
So I take it you have forgotten when Rashford came in for Rom last season and we looked toothless? Since it has become cool to continuously bash Lukaku now?
Honestly, our season is a train wreck and already a write off. I’d be playing Rashford, Martial, Shaw, Dalot, Lindelof, and Pereira as much as possible. They are the future. All hugely talented, and we should be building the team around them.
People lose faith in young players far too easily. Rashford has all the tools, he just needs time and experience to put it all together.
De Gea; Dalot, Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw; Pereira, Fred, Pogba; Martial, Rashford, Sanchez....
Until the end of the season please.
People lose faith in young players far too easily. Rashford has all the tools, he just needs time and experience to put it all together.
De Gea; Dalot, Smalling, Lindelof, Shaw; Pereira, Fred, Pogba; Martial, Rashford, Sanchez....
Until the end of the season please.
The amount of time he spends with the ball with his head down is pathetic for a premier league player. Who’s coaching this kid?
I take it you didn't actually watch the Nations League then?
Those games were played at a level and intensity far beyond an international friendly, and quite obviously meant far more to the players playing in them. This isn't even up for debate.
When has Rashford ever been given a similar run of games up front (in spite of form) to Lukaku under Jose? If Rashford put in a performance akin to Lukaku he would be dropped immediately, and therefore doesn't really get an opportunity to build momentum in his favoured position.
Good thing I never said they were the same as friendlies (I watched most games by the way). I said they were glorified friendlies, if you want examples have a look at the Super Cup and Charity Shield. Teams take these games seriously but its simply not the same.
Pogba and Martial were injured during the international break yet played in the 1st game back for us. Pogba also couldnt start the game against Young Boys most likely because of that injury, so he most likely played through injury for us but not for France. That would never happen if it was the World Cup or Euros, players would want to play with a broken leg in these competitions, winning one of these competitions is once in a lifetime.
Winning the Nations League will take a long while to have the same level of gravitas as the World Cup. And so is not a yardstick for international excellence.
Persist with him. Movement, energy there. That's what we need. Of course, a couple of goals wouldn't go amiss. I feel that'll come.
Can't say I ever saw teams crying because they lost the Charity Shield? Or entire benches emptying and people going mental at a last minute goal (in fact the only thing that comes close is Nani's last minute winner against City, but considering that was a match against City, it was way bigger deal then your average Charity Shield)...
The standard of football played in the six games between England / Croatia / Spain was far above the level of a glorified friendly.
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