I have no idea what point you are trying to make with this video.
I'd hardly call them wonder goals and he showed for England last night that he can't finish the simplest of chances.
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make with this video.
I'd hardly call them wonder goals and he showed for England last night that he can't finish the simplest of chances.
Lost his predatory instincts having being made to play as a winger.
Anyone who doesn't see the timing & coincidence with Jose is blinded.
Anyone who doesn't see the timing & coincidence with Jose is blinded.
I think it's true - he was very good under LVG
You might also have noticed Rashford has stopped growing now, too. It's clear the pressure Jose has been putting him on has literally been weighing him down. Anyone who can't see the connection is blinded.
this post has some unfortunate timing...
he's an instinctive finisher, sort of like Welbeck, he's shit in the air acan't hold up the play and very inconsistent finishing, he can score some great goals if he has little time but he fails with the easy chances a lot too.. he should get this wide forward role. Completely okay with him being developped as a LW but he needs to start thinking he's a star as he's good in flashes but needs to work hard on his consistency, he can play a pass shoot, cross he's rapid and if he's not being sloppy he can take on players too, he's fecking rapid and he can use it but lately he's been too greedy and thinking he's ronaldo he should be playing more as a team player, what's worrying is that Mourinho doesn't seem to notice that and correcting his attitude
It's weird, when he burst onto the scene it was like every shot he took turned into gold. Obviously that kind of conversion rate is unsustainable but I did expect him to be more clinical than he is now.
I don't think he'll ever become world class. Too much flaws in his style I can't see aging improving it much. His decision making might improve but I can't imagine it going from crap to world class, decent is the best we can hope for.
He'll always be a good option from the bench to utilize his space but I don't think he'll achieve more than that.
He'll always be a good option from the bench to utilize his space but I don't think he'll achieve more than that.
I feel sorry for him, he was hyped beyond his ability imo and now people are blaming his attitude(which is rubbish imo). Still haven't completely given up on him as he is still young but he will need to step it up.
Martial has spent 90% of his time at the club as a winger and still a decent finisher. Mbappe plays as a winger and still bangs. Think it's a poor excuse.
Rashford didn't even play as a striker at youth level.
I bet their goal per minute ratio is similar, while Rashford is being criticised for his finishing and Martial is called a decent finisher.
You don't need predatory instincts for scoring from 5 yards.
Is goals per minute the best way to judge a player as a finisher? Pretty sure most of the Caf would rather a chance fall to Martial than Rashford.
You were trying to say that he's Danny Welbeck and I posted a video of him doing things Danny Welbeck can't do so your point is invalid.
If they play similar number of minutes, in similar positions, in the same team, I think the most fair way is to look their goals per minute ratio. You cannot criticise Rashford for his finishing and say Martial's finishing is better without noticing that Rashford is far more likely to get in a good position in the first place unlike Martial who is passive when it comes to to running behind defence.
Your video is of a player in training. Not an actual match.
Welbeck can do it in-game.
for like 22 games. its fairly meaningless
There's a lot of other factors like Rashford playing against weaker opposition or playing in the Striker position against poor teams. Rashford doesnt work a lot harder than Martial. If anything he acts like he is entitled. Entitled to take the 10, to act like the team revolves around him taking pointless shots rather than passing and throwing tantrums in terms of body language on the pitch. Not to mention how he got away without stick for that Twitter post he deleted. Every time he gets the ball its head down and try rather than use footballing brain to make a decision. Poor decision making. He cant dribble, his crossing is inconsistent, finishing is championship level(at the moment) and is he that fast? He is a straight line sprinter not fast with the ball at his feet. Id go as far as to say he is as clumsy as Lukaku with the ball at times. Lukaku is both better on the wing and up front and even he is in doubt about being United quality. Yet people think Rashford is. Greenwood is more rated than Rashford ever was.
I'd argue that is exactly where its needed.
He was hyped up too much because of that run he had when he was first introduced to the team. We do this a lot with our young players and most never make it here.
Of course this is the case. Rashford is not a Mourinho #9 and never will be. This should be obvious for anyone that has seen a Mourinho team play. Which leaves the LW and RW positions for him to compete for. Its how its going to be while Mourinho still is at the club.
Put Rashford under Klopp or Guardiola he could compete for the #9 positions in those clubs and do well i would presume. Not here though until we change manager.
Maybe lost a bit of hunger, but is it really a Mourinho issue? Under any manager, he wouldn't be good enough to be a regular forward who could guarantee 20+ goals. Or take a pivotal #9 spot from a player who makes the big plays.
Any manager would be crazy to expect that - And most managers would therefore probably put him on the wing where the damage is not so big if he has a bad game.
Biggest issue for me is that he's not competing with Martial on the left which did both very well last season.
Any manager would be crazy to expect that - And most managers would therefore probably put him on the wing where the damage is not so big if he has a bad game.
Biggest issue for me is that he's not competing with Martial on the left which did both very well last season.
He's so easy to read with his body-language, and we've seen the same execution a good amount of times at United where he's missed.
Not sure if accurate, quick google job.
https://www.planetfootball.com/quic...ls-2017-18-stats-to-man-utds-other-attackers/
I have made this point before in different threads; but I will do it again here.
Our major issue going forward is that we lack a #9 to play Mourinhos normal counterattacking style. Lukaku might look the part, but he is fecking terrible in his hold-up play. Which is so essential to the type of football Mourinho basically tries to play.
And I rate Lukaku as a player. But he should not play up front by himself with his back against the opponents goal for 99 percent of the game. We would seriously be better off putting Fellaini up front in that system.
Under Mourinho we have looked the best when we have gone two up front. Like when Sanchez was playing off Lukaku against Liverpool last season. That would suit both Rashford and Martial much better as well.
Or we could just change manager.
Our major issue going forward is that we lack a #9 to play Mourinhos normal counterattacking style. Lukaku might look the part, but he is fecking terrible in his hold-up play. Which is so essential to the type of football Mourinho basically tries to play.
And I rate Lukaku as a player. But he should not play up front by himself with his back against the opponents goal for 99 percent of the game. We would seriously be better off putting Fellaini up front in that system.
Under Mourinho we have looked the best when we have gone two up front. Like when Sanchez was playing off Lukaku against Liverpool last season. That would suit both Rashford and Martial much better as well.
Or we could just change manager.
I don't even like Jose but this is grasping at straws.
Those efforts were tame. Why is it being played behind closed doors?
Some want to use the start of his career to explain how he's this great striker waiting to happen, but there are so many examples of young player, including within United, who started bright and turned out to be average. There is very little evidence that Rashford is anything but an average talent with great physical attributes. It's still too soon to call it either way, but the red-tinted glasses that have been used on this boy since the start of his career have been nothing short of ridiculous hyperbole, and the sad part is that it's possible he's listened to some of it, to his detriment.
What is special about this boy? He has very little intelligence on the field, his touch is poor more often than not, he doesn't think ahead of the moves he makes, his finishing is poor, his crossing/corners are more miss than hit (and yet he takes corners all the time). Outside of his great physical attributes, and his heart on the field, what is so special about Marcus Rashford? I'm not going to go as far as to call him Macheda, but he hasn't shown anything to me that screams special talent or someone worth grooming for the striker position (especially with a more talented and better suited Martial on the team). So far, he is just an average player who has the odd solid game every once in a while, like any average player that plays professional football will have.
But he is still young, he may prove me and all of his doubters wrong, but right now that is less likely than the possibility that his talent doesn't nearly warrant the hype.
What is special about this boy? He has very little intelligence on the field, his touch is poor more often than not, he doesn't think ahead of the moves he makes, his finishing is poor, his crossing/corners are more miss than hit (and yet he takes corners all the time). Outside of his great physical attributes, and his heart on the field, what is so special about Marcus Rashford? I'm not going to go as far as to call him Macheda, but he hasn't shown anything to me that screams special talent or someone worth grooming for the striker position (especially with a more talented and better suited Martial on the team). So far, he is just an average player who has the odd solid game every once in a while, like any average player that plays professional football will have.
But he is still young, he may prove me and all of his doubters wrong, but right now that is less likely than the possibility that his talent doesn't nearly warrant the hype.
Rashford is the latest in the "wasted on the wing" nonsense that is prevalent in British football. It was the same with Rooney or any other promising forward who is shunned to the wasteland that is the flank of the pitch.
The number 9 role is too pivotal in modern football to play such an inexperienced and inconsistent player in that position. I also disagree that playing Rashford right up against the defence is his best position. He thrives in space with his speed and will get more of that by starting in a wide position.
The insinuation that his finishing suffers by playing wide is nonsense. Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Salah, Mane, Hazard all manage(d) to score plenty from a wide position. In modern football, wide players in a front 3 are forwards and often can have more goal scoring responsibility than the number 9. If they can't get into goal scoring positions when playing wide in a front 3 it shows poor positional play.
The biggest obstacle to English players being prolific from wide areas is the stigma that playing wide seems to have in England and the fact the players would rather listen to the media drone on about how the coach is ruining them by playing out of position rather than learning and improving in the role.
The number 9 role is too pivotal in modern football to play such an inexperienced and inconsistent player in that position. I also disagree that playing Rashford right up against the defence is his best position. He thrives in space with his speed and will get more of that by starting in a wide position.
The insinuation that his finishing suffers by playing wide is nonsense. Ronaldo, Messi, Mbappe, Salah, Mane, Hazard all manage(d) to score plenty from a wide position. In modern football, wide players in a front 3 are forwards and often can have more goal scoring responsibility than the number 9. If they can't get into goal scoring positions when playing wide in a front 3 it shows poor positional play.
The biggest obstacle to English players being prolific from wide areas is the stigma that playing wide seems to have in England and the fact the players would rather listen to the media drone on about how the coach is ruining them by playing out of position rather than learning and improving in the role.
That's to put you in front with the keeper which he already had with those chances. What Rashford needs to work on is finishing, which is different.
But he's "our average player" When Rasjford scores it's that little bit sweeter
Or he's just a young player.
Openly admit I have high hope of him, that confidence is shaky atm.
This season, there are zero signs he's improving. It's just the same thing as 2nd half of previous season. This year (2018) is a basically a shit year for him.
Mou, his system and coaches can't seem to help improve Rashford anymore. They did fine up to now.
Is Rashford losing his head? The media hype of him is huge.
Stalling growth.
Will a new manager/coaches with better attacking visions help him grow to the next level?
This season, there are zero signs he's improving. It's just the same thing as 2nd half of previous season. This year (2018) is a basically a shit year for him.
Mou, his system and coaches can't seem to help improve Rashford anymore. They did fine up to now.
Is Rashford losing his head? The media hype of him is huge.
Stalling growth.
Will a new manager/coaches with better attacking visions help him grow to the next level?
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What did he tweeted?
Okay I see Greenwood is being given over and over rating nowadays. Then we'll say he's shit and overrated once he couldn't make it in the first team, betraying the expectations caf have of him.
This.
Love him. 20 years old and has over 30 goals for United. Nowhere near as good as Martial though. Would bin Lukaku for both of them (and the manager can do one too tbf)...
There’s absolutely nothing that you don’t use to blame Jose in every thread
When Rashford scores for England, it’s because of England provides more freedom and structure that enables him to shine and Jose doesn’t. When he misses his chances for England, it’s Jose who has destroyed this kid’s abilities.
Marcus has always had decision making challenges when you watch him play over the years whether it is during a transition, counter attacking, or finishing. His predatorial instincts are still there because he gets in positions to score. He is just making wrong decisions under pressure. Even players of significant experience can get into this state of self doubt when they are not making the right decisions under pressure and the pressure keeps building every time they don’t score or don’t make the right decisions. Marcus is a young kid, who works hard, cares, does a lot of self analyzing to improve and wants to do well. These characters can sometimes cause a player to overthink it. Players with big personalities just shrugs a mistake off and move on to try it and try it again.
Marcus has lots to offer for many years to come. He is only 20!!! The media and external expectations that are putting pressure on him will only increase the risk of damaging his progress. Jose in a way is trying to protect him to get him the chances to overcome this. Week in week out of playing in these pressure cooker matches we have these days and missing chances will only worsen his progress.
Why do people think so negative about Rashford's future. He's still 20/21 yo. There were players out there start their prime age at the age of 27. He still has a lot of years to come and to improve. I think people need to stop thinking Rashford has the same potential as Giggs, Rooney, Zlatan, Neymar, or even Ronaldo & Messi. I think Rashford has a very good future in this club and can become a legend of the club.
I also really like the idea that Mourinho is playing Rashford & Martial together and bench Sanchez against Newcastle, let's hope we can see both start more often together in the future.
I also really like the idea that Mourinho is playing Rashford & Martial together and bench Sanchez against Newcastle, let's hope we can see both start more often together in the future.
Let's be honest.
Rashford was good during season 2016/17
The last 12 months he has been disappointing
Your anti-Mourinho agenda is blinding
Different players.
Greenwood is more prolific as a goalscoring no.9 than Rashford ever was in the youth ranks that's for sure...
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